Universal Reconciliation religion.

[Meshak]

If deceit is sow, deceit will be reaped. Deceit causes confusion. Confusion causes a separating, not a coming together as Hebrews 10:25 warns about. Be saved in Christ,come to the light. Saved means delivered, does it not? People can be delivered to sin and darkness. And they have been.

excellent, friend.

 

[Tarheeler]

Nope, you are reading more than it is said.

Sorry, but no. I'm reading exactly what it said. The states very plainly that those who have faith in Jesus shall be saved.

and Jesus elaborate what it takes to believe in Him in the whole messages in the NT.

Then you should have framed your argument around that rather than John 3:16. You chose a verse that contradicts your position.

But, even then, I don't think it will be effective. Beliving in something or someone is pretty straightforward; you either do or you don't. What you're most likely thinking of is the requirements and characteristics one would expect to see in a Christian based on the gospels.

It is not the same thing as having faith.

I guess you are not reading the NT with open heart without preconceived notion.

Oh, but I have read it with an open heart. And with an open mind.

 

[Meshak]

Oh, but I have read it with an open heart. And with an open mind.

If you have, you would have known that Jesus emphasizes to be faithful to Him until the end.

Would you like to me to bring them up for you?

 

[Tarheeler]

If you have, you would have known that Jesus emphasizes to be faithful to Him until the end.

Would you like to me to bring them up for you?

Believing in him would be being faithful. If not, then there would be no need for repentance; Christians would not sin and would have no need for it.

Seriously, the Calvinist idea of "once saved, always saved" isn't new; it's been around for quite awhile, and can be found in many Protestant denominations.

 

[Sunstone]

Even you, friend.

I've never denied it.

 

[Meshak]

Believing in him would be being faithful. If not, then there would be no need for repentance; Christians would not sin and would have no need for it.

then why are you opposed to my OP and understanding of John 3-16?

Seriously, the Calvinist idea of "once saved, always saved" isn't new; it's been around for quite awhile, and can be found in many Protestant denominations.

Nope it is not new. John Calvin is not new leader. this is about UR, not Calvinism. But I know John Calvin twisted around the scripture and making up his own salvation too.

 

[Nyingjé Tso]

Vanakkam,

I am a Christian and I speak for Jesus.

Modesty is not a virtue then, I guess ? Whatever, I don't care

Jesus is not for popularity, dear. I am not here to get popularity. I would be in politics if I desire to be a popular.

This is not a question of popularity, this is a question of basic social interaction, aka being able to communicate with people without spitting on their faces. It generally help when you want to debate correctly.
And please, dont call me dear

It is no wonder UR is so popular in this forum, too many non-Christians here.

So ? You can go to a christian only forum if you want only to discuss with christian, or you can create your own forum if you only want to discuss with people that agree with you.


Aum Namah Shivaya

 

[sojourner]

Jesus says clearly and simply that "For God so love the world that He gave His only begotten Son that whoever believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life".

Yet UC says everyone will be saved, even murderers without repenting.

And they are claiming to be Christians.

They are mocking Jesus' word.

Jesus says clearly and simply, as well, that all are God's children, and that God is a better parent than the best human parents. Which of our best human parents would willfully destroy one of her or his own children simply for becoming soiled?

Actually, universalists generally affirm that everyone already has been reconciled, through the Jesus Event. Even murderers without repenting. However, reconciliation is primarily a relationship, and relationships -- being what they are -- are carried out between two or more people. So, the murderer, having been reconciled by God's grace, has the choice to act the part of one who's been reconciled, or to continue to act like a rotten scoundrel. That's what John is saying.

And yes, we do claim to be Christians. Who are you to judge whether we are, or are not? Didn't you state emphatically that you are not the judge?:beach:

 

[Meshak]

This is not a question of popularity, this is a question of basic social interaction, aka being able to communicate with people without spitting on their faces. It generally help when you want to debate correctly.
And please, dont call me dear

I am sorry you are bothered being called dear.

anyway, I am using Jesus' wisdom. Sorry, our value system is vastly different.

So ? You can go to a christian only forum if you want only to discuss with christian, or you can create your own forum if you only want to discuss with people that agree with you.

I am here to educate about Jesus' word to the world.

good day.

 

[sojourner]

Mainstream churches are going down and down watering down Jesus' teachings. UC is the worst one in my observation.

You'll have to show, first of all, that you know what UC (What, exactly is "UC," anyway? I'm very well versed in the diversity of denominationalism, and I've never heard of it) believes about Jesus' teachings. Second, you'll have to put up a very good argument that what "UCs" believe is not what Jesus taught. Third, you'll have to do that through at least a passable exegesis of those teachings. So far, all you've done is sling mud indiscriminately. The key phrase in your post is "in my observation." Consider that your glasses are both filthy and the wrong prescription, precluding you from observing properly...

 

[Meshak]

And yes, we do claim to be Christians. Who are you to judge whether we are, or are not? Didn't you state emphatically that you are not the judge?:beach:

I am not judging, you are, saying everyone is saved usurping Jesus' authority to claim everyone is saved.

 

[Sunstone]

I am not judging, you are, saying everyone is saved usurping Jesus' authority to claim everyone is saved.

Lame.

 

[sojourner]

It is not just dangerous, it is certainly opposite of what Jesus says. It is anti-Christ religion, IMO.

In what way are radical inclusion, unconditional love and indiscriminate grace "dangerous???" And please spell out how they are the "opposite" of "what Jesus says." Oh, and BTW, please explain how these concepts are "anti-Christ?"

opcorn:

This ought to be good...

 

[Meshak]

Lame.

You dont seem to have any good argument against my claim. You are the lame one, IMO. Is that you have to say?

 

[sojourner]

Take look at this simple word of Jesus "For God so loved....whoever believe in Him..."

Where does it say everyone?

You conveniently forgot to include "the world."

 

[sojourner]

they say even murders, child molesters and all hideous criminals without repenting get salvation?

...and even...

You!


Imagine!!

 

[MysticSang'ha]

Man, it must really suck going through life thinking that you're going to be the only one in heaven after you die. That has to be the loneliest feeling in the world.

 

[sojourner]

Whoever believes in Him is not everyone.

"The world" is everyone.

 

[Sunstone]

Man, it must really suck going through life thinking that you're going to be the only one in heaven after you die. That has to be the loneliest feeling in the world.

But at least you can feel holier than the rest of us that way. There's that, you know.

 

[Meshak]

In what way are radical inclusion, unconditional love and indiscriminate grace "dangerous???"

I did not say it is dangerous, someone else did.

And claiming to be Christians and propagate against His word. why do you do that.
If you dont like what He teaches of being obedient to Him, why do yo claim to be His followers?