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Universal Salvation?

Katzpur

Katzpur

Not your average Mormon
crystalonyx said:
Universal salvation somehow implies non-believers are bound by the beliefs of Christianity?

Totally illogical.
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That's not what universal salvation means to me. To me, it means that all will be saved from the permanance of death to something much grander than this life.
 
logician

logician

Well-Known Member
To further clariify, if I insist that salvation does not include me, (is not universal) and you insist it does, what makes your belief better than mine?
 
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Ant0nio

Member
logician said:
AS an atheist I don't believe in any salvation, therefore, by definition, salvation cannot be universal.
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I don't blame you. I don't blame agnostics for doubting the existence of God.

Universal salvation is real. It is not exclusive to any religion, race, color, creed, background.

It may take longer for some than it does for others though lol.

It may take a few more lifetimes. But it is real.

But what if I proposed to you a method for you to prove to yourself without a shadow of a doubt that God truly exists?

What if I told you there is a method to literally visit the regions of Heaven while still living and go on with your daily life?

Understand that this method is in no way harmful to you or anyone else, does not conflict with any major religion, and is absolutely free.

If I told you how to learn this method, would you dare do what is necessary to learn it?

Understand what i'm saying. I can show you a way to absolutely PROVE to yourself that God exists. It has nothing to do with christianity or any religious dogma. It is a simple method to have a visual and audible experience of God.

And if you practice long and well enough, you may even visit heaven as you wish, in this lifetime!

I'm telling you the truth.

Well. What will you do now? Today I am literally handing you the key to the door of heaven.

Will you take it?
 
lilithu

lilithu

The Devil's Advocate
logician said:
To further clariify, if I insist that salvation does not include me, (is not universal) and you insist it does, what makes your belief better than mine?
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How about universal salvation means that salvation is OPEN to everyone who wants it, ie - does not deny anyone? If there's a party and you don't want to participate that's your prerogative.
 
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Ant0nio

Member
Universal salvation by definition, includes all people. Regardless of race, color, creed, or religion even.

Eventually everybody returns to God.
 
logician

logician

Well-Known Member
As an atheist I've always contended that needing saving from something as esoteric and hard to define as "sin" is quite illogical. The idea of "universal salvation" is illogical from it's basepoint.
 
Storm

Storm

ThrUU the Looking Glass
logician said:
As an atheist I've always contended that needing saving from something as esoteric and hard to define as "sin" is quite illogical. The idea of "universal salvation" is illogical from it's basepoint.
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Storm said:
I think logic is sometimes overrated. People conflate it with reason or rationality, when it's really just a tool to determine whether an argument/ position is internally sound. It tells us nothing about whether that position is right.
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Case in point.
 
sojourner

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
logician said:
As an atheist I've always contended that needing saving from something as esoteric and hard to define as "sin" is quite illogical. The idea of "universal salvation" is illogical from it's basepoint.
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In what way is sin "hard to define?" It may be "hard for Logician to understand," but your lack of understanding does not constitute sin as "esoteric." The "basepoint" of sin is not your lack of understanding. The "basepoint" of sin is our propensity to wander off from communion with God. All have done that...all need reconciliation.
 
logician

logician

Well-Known Member
sojourner said:
In what way is sin "hard to define?" It may be "hard for Logician to understand," but your lack of understanding does not constitute sin as "esoteric." The "basepoint" of sin is not your lack of understanding. The "basepoint" of sin is our propensity to wander off from communion with God. All have done that...all need reconciliation.
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Sorry, but there is no god, and no "sin" as you try to define it.
 
sojourner

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
logician said:
Sorry, but there is no god, and no "sin" as you try to define it.
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Of course, you're able to stand completely apart from the universe, and are able, therefore, to objectively look both at the whole and its constituent parts, measure and qualify them, and come to this conclusion?
 
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