UNRWA fires 12 workers over suspected involvement in the October 7 attacks on Israel

[Kenny]

You might want to reread whatever you read about the Hague because that didn't happen.

Further, if the Hague did rule against your preconceived notions, that's a good reason to review your preconceived notions, rather than to make allegations about infiltration of the Hague.

Oh… so they were found innocent?

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

HAH!

From the article:

"...no other agency..." WFP provides more aid to Gaza. A lot more. The author is complaining about myth-making while spinning their own...

The author wrote: "No other agency rivals its physical, logistical and human presence; ..."

If you honestly cannot distinguish between aid trucks and "physical, logistical and human presence," I can't help you. So I guess you win.

 

[dybmh]

The author wrote: "No other agency rivals its physical, logistical and human presence; ..."

If you honestly cannot distinguish between aid trucks and "physical, logistical and human presence," I can't help you.

The data shows that the author is wrong. The author used to work for UNRWA. It makes sense for them to be Pro-UNRWA and forcefully deny that their own work was supporting those who are sworn to annihilate Jews and the state of Israel. It's a bitter pill to swallow.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

The data shows that the author is wrong. The author used to work for UNRWA.

Take care ...

 

[libre]

Oh… so they were found innocent?

The process has a long ways to go before guilt or innocence would be determined.
As far as I understand it's just a provisional ruling they made as a preventative action.

 

[Shaul]

Of course, israel complains about UNRWA but never fires IDF for the cruelty to palestinians on a daily basis.

Really?

https://www.israelhayom.com/2023/11...dismissed-after-entering-gaza-defying-orders/

IDF commander, soldier dismissed for firing at uninvolved Palestinians during Gaza op

IDF officer censured over mistaken shooting of Palestinian boy

Hamas, on the other hand, has never fired anyone for cruelty to Israelis.

 

[dybmh]

Hamas, on the other hand, has never fired anyone for cruelty to Israelis....

... or for putting their own innocent civilians in the line of fire. They're not just cruel to Israelis. They are universally cruel. On Palestinian TV yesterday, The official spokesperson for Hamas is encouraging moving more civilians to the front lines. He says: "You don't see the Gazans complaining."

Also, of note is, yet again, and always, the invocation of Al-Aqsa. This is the religio-emotional hook which has been embedded in many Palestinian's concsiousness. The words Al-Aqsa are a trigger for them. It's everywhere. Hamas' TV broadcast channel is called Al-Aqsa TV. They're programming people from within UNRWA schools.

Here's a link to the interview referred to above: Hamas Official Ali Baraka: Lebanon Should Transfer Palestinian Refugees To Israeli Border, So That UNIFIL Will Be Responsible For Them; If You Want To Liberate Your Land, You Cannot Keep Counting Martyrs – The Families In Gaza Are Not Complaining

The UNRWA indoctrinates the children to become martyrs triggered by the words "Al-Aqsa".

 

[metis]

I just saw on CNN that the Swedes just prevented a bombing of the Israeli consulate in Stockholm.

 

[dybmh]

I just saw on CNN that the Swedes just prevented a bombing of the Israeli consulate in Stockholm.

Thank you. Here's two articles on the subject.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europ...t-israeli-embassy-terrorist-crime-2024-02-02/
https://www.timesofisrael.com/swede...object-found-at-israeli-embassy-as-terrorism/

None of the usual suspects has, or likely will, claim responsibility. Hamas is trying to assert itself as a localized resistance movement. And, quite honestly, with the amount of anti-israel propaganda spread online and the encouragement of individuals to violently rise up against the imaginary "oppressor"... it could be a lone wolf.

Here's what I have on the history of Hamas' activities reaching beyond Israel. The most recent is the Reuters article at the top of the list:

https://www.reuters.com/world/europ...sts-suspicion-preparations-attack-2023-12-14/

https://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/54084

https://www.justice.gov/archive/opa/pr/2004/August/04_crm_571.htm

https://commdocs.house.gov/committees/intlrel/hfa20917.000/hfa20917_0.HTM#FN61

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/im-innocent-akkal-tells-israeli-court/article1048844/

https://oig.justice.gov/sites/default/files/archive/special/9803/brbrp1.htm

https://www.washingtoninstitute.org...pe-beyond-al-qaeda-hamas-and-hezbollah-europe

https://foreignpolicy.com/2023/12/19/hamas-terrorism-threat-global-europe-germany-arrests/

https://www.haaretz.com/2003-12-15/ty-article/no-bail-for-canadian-palestinian-who-allegedly-planned-attacks

http://www.cnn.com/US/9708/01/brooklyn.bomb.pm/index.html

HamasPlot.pdf

drive.google.com

 

[metis]

Thank you. Here's two articles on the subject.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europ...t-israeli-embassy-terrorist-crime-2024-02-02/
https://www.timesofisrael.com/swede...object-found-at-israeli-embassy-as-terrorism/

None of the usual suspects has, or likely will, claim responsibility. Hamas is trying to assert itself as a localized resistance movement. And, quite honestly, with the amount of anti-israel propaganda spread online and the encouragement of individuals to violently rise up against the imaginary "oppressor"... it could be a lone wolf.

Here's what I have on the history of Hamas' activities reaching beyond Israel. The most recent is the Reuters article at the top of the list:

https://www.reuters.com/world/europ...sts-suspicion-preparations-attack-2023-12-14/

https://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/54084

https://www.justice.gov/archive/opa/pr/2004/August/04_crm_571.htm

https://commdocs.house.gov/committees/intlrel/hfa20917.000/hfa20917_0.HTM#FN61

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/im-innocent-akkal-tells-israeli-court/article1048844/

https://oig.justice.gov/sites/default/files/archive/special/9803/brbrp1.htm

https://www.washingtoninstitute.org...pe-beyond-al-qaeda-hamas-and-hezbollah-europe

https://foreignpolicy.com/2023/12/19/hamas-terrorism-threat-global-europe-germany-arrests/

https://www.haaretz.com/2003-12-15/ty-article/no-bail-for-canadian-palestinian-who-allegedly-planned-attacks

http://www.cnn.com/US/9708/01/brooklyn.bomb.pm/index.html

HamasPlot.pdf

drive.google.com

Thanks so much for posting these links, and I'll check them out tomorrow when I have more time. Dinner is almost ready, and I do have my priorities.

 

[Bthoth]

Really?

https://www.israelhayom.com/2023/11...dismissed-after-entering-gaza-defying-orders/

IDF commander, soldier dismissed for firing at uninvolved Palestinians during Gaza op

IDF officer censured over mistaken shooting of Palestinian boy

Hamas, on the other hand, has never fired anyone for cruelty to Israelis.

Thanks for the supplements.

So far, i see more IDF committing suicide than being fired for the acts of violence.

 

[Kenny]

The process has a long ways to go before guilt or innocence would be determined.
As far as I understand it's just a provisional ruling they made as a preventative action.

So… not innocent and not guilty… sounds political to me. Posturing for personal gain.

 

[dybmh]

Thanks for the supplements.

So far, i see more IDF committing suicide than being fired for the acts of violence.

IDF soldiers: 170,000 active duty / 465,000 reservists

IDF Suicide rate 2021: 11
IDF Suicide rate 2022: 14
IDF Suicide rate 2023: 8

Between 2017-2021: 248 investigations of criminal misconduct of IDF soldiers against Palestinians. 11 indictments.

 

[Bthoth]

IDF soldiers: 170,000 active duty / 465,000 reservists

IDF Suicide rate 2021: 11
IDF Suicide rate 2022: 14
IDF Suicide rate 2023: 8

Between 2017-2021: 248 investigations of criminal misconduct of IDF soldiers against Palestinians. 11 indictments.

compared too those fired for committing crimes?

 

[dybmh]

compared too those fired for committing crimes?

The numbers are there for you to read and interpret however you choose to do so.

 

[Bthoth]

The numbers are there for you to read and interpret however you choose to do so.

I mentioned that more IDF die from suicide, than fired for war crimes.


UNRWA does more good for the oppressed, than the 12 that could have been involved with 10/7.


What program are you made from?

 

[Revoltingest]

compared too those fired for committing crimes?

"We have investigated ourselves, & found no wrongdoing."

But sometimes Israel does punish soldiers for murder or Palestinians.

IDF gives lenient community service sentence for killing of Palestinian

An IDF Court on Wednesday confirmed a controversial plea deal which gave the IDF soldier who shot and killed an innocent Palestinian a lenient sentence of three months of community service.

www.jpost.com

USA has harsher sentences for killing dogs.

Ohio man sentenced to prison in dog shooting case

A man who pleaded guilty last month to charges he shot and killed a dog was sentenced Wednesday in Mahoning County Common Pleas Court to two years in prison.

www.wdtn.com

 

[Bthoth]

"We have investigated ourselves, & found no wrongdoing."

Stamped response.

But sometimes Israel does punish soldiers for murder or Palestinians.

IDF gives lenient community service sentence for killing of Palestinian

An IDF Court on Wednesday confirmed a controversial plea deal which gave the IDF soldier who shot and killed an innocent Palestinian a lenient sentence of three months of community service.

www.jpost.com

I know.

USA has harsher sentences for killing dogs.

Ohio man sentenced to prison in dog shooting case

A man who pleaded guilty last month to charges he shot and killed a dog was sentenced Wednesday in Mahoning County Common Pleas Court to two years in prison.

www.wdtn.com

That's harsh but I have seen it over the decades. i've watched israel IDF soldiers hiding weapons for firing on a civilian.

 

[Bthoth]

The numbers are there for you to read and interpret however you choose to do so.

So you cannot address the query, of comparing how many IDF soldiers are fired versus committing suicide over any equal time periods.

My point, does israel check their own inhouse criminal acts, when claiming UNRWA civilians are committing crimes? As i see it, many idf are committing suicide over awareness for the abuses that they have witnessed versus continue to participate.

Have you ever cared to listen to the interviews and videos of actual soldiers that are having a hard time continuing the divide? Both sides?

No actual level headed human being approves of the 10/7 atrocity. So any UNRWA that participated DOES NOT represent, the UN, USA, IRAN or palestine, Just as the rogue soldiers and IDF do not represent Jews or Judaism. But the acts on both extremes must end and justice addressed as best as possible, without exception to which side.

 

[Revoltingest]

So you cannot address the query, of comparing how many IDF soldiers are fired versus committing suicide over any equal time periods.

Perhaps suicide is just a dysfunctional way that
some deal with guilt for being sent off to a "war"
whose real purpose is genocide? Not everyone
enjoys murder & mayhem. It happens in many
such conflicts.

Mass suicides in Nazi Germany - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

https://www.warhistoryonline.com/instant-articles/banzai-cliff-site-hundreds-suicides.html