UNRWA fires 12 workers over suspected involvement in the October 7 attacks on Israel

[dybmh]

does israel check their own inhouse criminal acts

Yes, but it is investigated by the justice dept not the IDF.

many idf are committing suicide

" ... many ... "

Here are the numbers again:

IDF soldiers: 170,000 active duty / 465,000 reservists

IDF Suicide rate 2021: 11
IDF Suicide rate 2022: 14
IDF Suicide rate 2023: 8 ( correction. this is only through Aug. of 2023 ).

Have you ever cared

I care.

to listen to the interviews and videos of actual soldiers that are having a hard time continuing the divide? Both sides?

Both sides? Yes. Definitely. Have I ever? This is from 2019.

"Combatants for Peace is a grassroots movement of Israelis and Palestinians, working together to end the occupation and bring peace, equality and freedom to our homeland. Committed to joint nonviolence since our inception, we use civil resistance, education and other creative means of activism to transform systems of oppression and build a free and peaceful future from the ground up.

Launched in 2006...
we are the only movement worldwide that was founded by former fighters on both sides of an active conflict. As a result, we were nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize in 2017 and 2018."

 

[Bthoth]

Yes, but it is investigated by the justice dept not the IDF.

Same with UNRWA workers. IDF is not the best source of investigating criminal acts especially not their own let alone UNWRA workers.

" ... many ... "

Here are the numbers again:

IDF soldiers: 170,000 active duty / 465,000 reservists

IDF Suicide rate 2021: 11
IDF Suicide rate 2022: 14
IDF Suicide rate 2023: 8 ( correction. this is only through Aug. of 2023 ).

How many committed war crimes and charged with criminal acts against civilians? If you cared you would have posted them numbers for comparison.

That has been my argument, but you dont like it and keep dancing around the query.

I care.

Both sides? Yes. Definitely. Have I ever? This is from 2019.

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This is an example of you dancing around and skipping the question.
"Status quo" is about the agreement and laws that ISRAELIS will not mess with the mount.

Has nothing to do with death rates of IDF suicide compared with IDF charged with crimes against civilians.

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"Combatants for Peace is a grassroots movement of Israelis and Palestinians, working together to end the occupation and bring peace, equality and freedom to our homeland. Committed to joint nonviolence since our inception, we use civil resistance, education and other creative means of activism to transform systems of oppression and build a free and peaceful future from the ground up.

Is that from HAMAS? Having both israelis and palestinians?

Launched in 2006...
we are the only movement worldwide that was founded by former fighters on both sides of an active conflict. As a result, we were nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize in 2017 and 2018."

Fighters combining to end the divide?

My favorite kind of people. UNWRA are perhaps comprised with the same kind of people.

But again, you missed my query in all parts and yet added new layers.

a..... fighters against the war (combatants for peace)............................ i am betting must include former HAMAS and PLO members (but not my intent to do that homework)

b... 'status quo'................. which means,

""""The "status quo" on the Temple Mount/Haram Al-Sharif is an informal understanding that involves Israel and the Islamic Waqf, the Muslim religious trust that administers the site. The status quo is intended to preserve the religious and cultural significance of the site, while also maintaining order and security""""


It's about the mount, not the suicide rate of IDF or criminal acts of IDF members.


Topic is about UNRWA and how the israelis are claiming 12 workers participated in 10/7. I asked if IDF fired and pursued IDF soldiers that commit crimes against palestinians, since the IDF are attacking UNWRA for the exact claim.

And stop trying to condemn the UN for what a few UNWRA workers did. Israel would not exist without the UN and you know it.

 

[dybmh]

How many committed war crimes

By the legal defintion? Zero. That's why I did not reply to your question in the manner you wanted. Everytime in the past when you have wanted to discuss war crimes, your conclusions are based on incomplete knowledge. Unless you can convince me that this time will be different, there is no reason to spend time and energy on this. I have other things more important than discussing the same thing in the same way if it is likely to produce the same mutually undesirable result.

 

[Bthoth]

By the legal defintion? Zero.

I know, to you israelis can do no wrong.

That's why I did not reply to your question in the manner you wanted.

No worries, I've watched your dancing for months now.

Everytime in the past when you have wanted to discuss war crimes, your conclusions are based on incomplete knowledge.

let me guess, they're in hebrew and since I dont read right to left, i am not qualified.

But now I remember, it's the 2009 phosphorus shelling on civilians, that you smoke screen.

Unless you can convince me that this time will be different, there is no reason to spend time and energy on this.

Soldiers shooting unarmed civilians is criminal. Illegal occupation of palestine is illegal.

Personal responsibility is the most important wisdom of torah but the 'chosen ones' dont have to keep the commandments any more, they are born to be chosen by god.

I have other things more important than discussing the same thing in the same way if it is likely to produce the same mutually undesirable result.

So move on. I used to enjoy facing topics directly with you but I lost that appreciation

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

... but the 'chosen ones' dont have to keep the commandments any more, they are born to be chosen by god.

That is a tiresome and disgusting antisemitic trope.

 

[Nakosis]

The United Nations agency for Palestinian refugees says it has opened an investigation into some employees Israel alleges were involved in the October 7 attacks, and that it has severed ties with those staff members.

The United States has suspended its funding of the agency until the investigation is complete.

UNRWA probes employees over suspected involvement in October 7 attack

Sure, if I found out I had people working for me that had been involved in the atrocities of Oct 7th, I'd be firing suspending their employment as well until it was proven otherwise.

 

[Revoltingest]

Sure, if I found out I had people working for me that had been involved in the atrocities of Oct 7th, I'd be firing suspending their employment as well until it was proven otherwise.

To extend the analogy, should your clients
suspend all payments to you, even if it's
only 7 of 30,000 workers suspetected?

 

[Nakosis]

To extend the analogy, should your clients
suspend all payments to you, even if it's
only 7 of 30,000 workers suspetected?

My clients should do whatever they feel is necessary to do. They don't owe me business.
Hopefully, I am doing such a damn good job they couldn't care less about my internal machinations.

Be as transparent as possible to show anyone who looked there is no possible truth to any such allegations.
If I failed to do so, well then I got to do it better.

 

[Revoltingest]

My clients should do whatever they feel is necessary to do. They don't owe me business.

You can set aside the morality of what's done
to your company. But USA does owe Palestinians
aid, given that it's been supporting Israel's murder,
mayhem, & destruction of them for decades.
Allegations against a few of a great many workers
appears to be an excuse to reinforce the genocide,
while simultaneously pretending to care by
sanctioning (as lightly as to mean nothing) 4 Israeli
settlers.

 

[Bthoth]

That is a tiresome and disgusting antisemitic trope.

What is your problem? Are you allowed to falsely accuse on matters of such? Apparently you have no idea about what I wrote.

 

[Revoltingest]

That is a tiresome and disgusting antisemitic trope.

That is a tiresome & disgusting semitic slur.

 

[Nakosis]

You can set aside the morality of what's done
to your company. But USA does owe Palestinians
aid, given that it's been supporting Israel's murder,
mayhem, & destruction of them for decades.
Allegations against a few of a great many workers
appears to be an excuse to reinforce the genocide,
while simultaneously pretending to care by
sanctioning (as lightly as to mean nothing) 4 Israeli
settlers.

Well bring them 5 million folks on over. Half that number crossed the border illegally anyway in 23.

Seems obvious leaving them to stew in each others backyard ain't never going to work. It doesn't seem like their fellow Muslim nations have any interest in bailing them out.

Leaving them in that little piece of land at the mercy of both Israel and Hamas seems about as cruel as one can go about it.

 

[Revoltingest]

Well bring them 5 million folks on over. Half that number crossed the border illegally anyway in 23.

Seems obvious leaving them to stew in each others backyard ain't never going to work. It doesn't seem like their fellow Muslim nations have any interest in bailing them out.

It's unreasonable to expect that Muslim nations
should bear the responsibility of taking in
Palestinians because of Israel's genocide.

Leaving them in that little piece of land at the mercy of both Israel and Hamas seems about as cruel as one can go about it.

Israel & Palestine could be peaceful neighbors
if Israel ended the oppression, murder, & theft.
Hamas exists because of Israel's misdeeds.

 

[Nakosis]

It's unreasonable to expect that Muslim nations
should bear the responsibility of taking in
Palestinians because of Israel's genocide.

Doesn't mean they can't decide to show compassion.

Israel & Palestine could be peaceful neighbors
if Israel ended the oppression, murder, & theft.
Hamas exists because of Israel's misdeeds.

I've heard it from both sides. There is also a lot of misinformation from both sides.
I myself don't think I am smart enough to filter through all of the misinformation to decide who has the moral upper hand.

However regardless of what you or I think it seems Israel is going to continue down this road and no amount of protests is going to change that.

IMO, the outcome will be a matter of might makes right and not one of moral preference. This has always been the history of humanity and I don't expect it to change.

Afterwards the winning side will justify its morality with the appropriate narrative and the world will continue to spin.

 

[Bthoth]

Doesn't mean they can't decide to show compassion.



I've heard it from both sides. There is also a lot of misinformation from both sides.
I myself don't think I am smart enough to filter through all of the misinformation to decide who has the moral upper hand.

However regardless of what you or I think it seem Israel is going to continue down this road and no amount of protests is going to change that.

IMO, the outcome will be a matter of might makes right and not one of moral preference. This has always been the history of humanity and I don't expect it to change.

Afterwards the winning side will justify its morality with the appropriate narrative and the world will continue to spin.

The winners owns the narrative. Which is standard throughout history.

 

[Revoltingest]

Doesn't mean they can't decide to show compassion.

They will do what they will do.
And if they don't help, this doesn't justify
Israel's genocide. It's Israel's responsibility
to stop being evil.

I've heard it from both sides. There is also a lot of misinformation from both sides.
I myself don't think I am smart enough to filter through all of the misinformation to decide who has the moral upper hand.

However regardless of what you or I think it seems Israel is going to continue down this road and no amount of protests is going to change that.

IMO, the outcome will be a matter of might makes right and not one of moral preference. This has always been the history of humanity and I don't expect it to change.

Afterwards the winning side will justify its morality with the appropriate narrative and the world will continue to spin.

Information is best gleaned from sources that are
maximize objective objectivity, & minimize demonization.

 

[Nakosis]

They will do what they will do.
And if they don't help, this doesn't justify
Israel's genocide. It's Israel's responsibility
to stop being evil.

Information is best gleaned from sources that are
maximize objective objectivity, & minimize demonization.

I've found reason to question every resource I've come across so far.
When you start to question bias, even unintentional bias it is hard to trust anything without some skepticism.

 

[Revoltingest]

I've found reason to question every resource I've come across so far.
When you start to question bias, even unintentional bias it is hard to trust anything without some skepticism.

One can do the best one can to find objective
facts, understand the history that led to where
we are, decide who is responsible for what,
& craft solutions.

 

[dybmh]

A tunnel was located under the UNRWA headquarters in Gaza city with what appears to be a server farm and, of course, more weapons. Here's the most complete video I've found.

It's impossible for a structure like this to exist without the cooperation and knowledge of those who were supplying it with water and electricty.

 

[dybmh]

Same with UNRWA workers. IDF is not the best source of investigating criminal acts especially not their own let alone UNWRA workers.

The IDF is collecting evidence and rendering the threat inert.

Soldiers shooting unarmed civilians is criminal. Illegal occupation of palestine is illegal.

I've seen videos *with captions* that claim this. The videos do not show IDF shooting unarmed civilians.

The other instances are individuals who insist on martying themselves by climbing over the fence seperating Gaza from israel. The same thing will happen to anyone insisting to illegally cross a border coming from a country that harbors terrorists.

If you have access to actual evidence, then, go publish it.