• Welcome to Religious Forums, a friendly forum to discuss all religions in a friendly surrounding.

    Your voice is missing! You will need to register to get access to the following site features:
    • Reply to discussions and create your own threads.
    • Our modern chat room. No add-ons or extensions required, just login and start chatting!
    • Access to private conversations with other members.

    We hope to see you as a part of our community soon!

UNRWA fires 12 workers over suspected involvement in the October 7 attacks on Israel

Jayhawker Soule

-- untitled --
Premium Member
What is your problem? Are you allowed to falsely accuse on matters of such? Apparently you have no idea about what I wrote.
In order ...
  1. antisemitic vitriol run amok;
  2. false accusation seems to be your expertise;
  3. I was about to suggest that you have no idea about what you wrote.
 

Bthoth

Well-Known Member
The IDF is collecting evidence and rendering the threat inert.

Does that mean locking up the settlers (terrorists) of israel?
I've seen videos *with captions* that claim this. The videos do not show IDF shooting unarmed civilians.
Israel Hamas war: 1.1m ordered to leave north Gaza as Palestine PM accuses  Israel of 'genocide' | Euronews



Instruments of Harm: Dissecting Israel's Health Warfare in Gaza - The  Tahrir Institute for Middle East Policy








The other instances are individuals who insist on martying themselves by climbing over the fence seperating Gaza from israel. The same thing will happen to anyone insisting to illegally cross a border coming from a country that harbors terrorists.
What is sick, is israelis use tanks to cross into palestinian lands and then put up fences upon illegal occupation
If you have access to actual evidence, then, go publish it.
Israel's Occupation: 50 Years of Dispossession - Amnesty International

Israel built a wall. But Palestinian laborers continue to sneak through  daily - Los Angeles Times



I usually give evidence, but you do not observe the evidence and continue to defend that apartheid as if israelis can do no wrong.


The tide has changed. Best end the apartheid before it's too late.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
It's impossible for a structure like this to exist without the cooperation and knowledge of those who were supplying it with water and electricty.
It's entirely possible. Tunnels under the US Mexico
border get power from sources at one end.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
In order ...
  1. antisemitic vitriol run amok;
  2. false accusation seems to be your expertise;
  3. I was about to suggest that you have no idea about what you wrote.
Your posts sure do reek of semitic slurs.
It's not a substitute for reason & evidence.
But so it goes for Zionists who need to
justify war crimes, apartheid, & genocide.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
I do wonder if the apologist are just bots, inhumane and with no conscious.
You mean "conscience".
They suffer from several things....
1) Religious & cultural indifference to value of Muslim lives.
2) Cognitive dissonance, ie, values they would hold independent
of this conflict are set aside in favor of hatred & vengeance
against Muslims, even the innocent ones.
3) Conflation of Hamas with all Palestinians.
4) Paranoia that Israel is on the verge of being wiped out.
 

Laniakea

Not of this world
Bless your heart.
He must love your leaping to his defense.
You've so much in common.

Let's compare.
I support Israel and the Jewish people.
Hamas, Hitler, and left wing zealots here support those who want them gone.

It's the modus operandi of the Leftists to accuse their opposition of whatever they themselves do.
When you say I have so much in common with Nazis, you're telling me your own values.
 

Bthoth

Well-Known Member
You mean "conscience".
They suffer from several things....
1) Religious & cultural indifference to value of Muslim lives.
2) Cognitive dissonance, ie, values they would hold independent
of this conflict are set aside in favor of hatred & vengeance
against Muslims, even the innocent ones.
3) Conflation of Hamas with all Palestinians.
4) Paranoia that Israel is on the verge of being wiped out.
You are tough on israel but trying to associate a religious war to the mess is not good.
 

dybmh

דניאל יוסף בן מאיר הירש
From the Canadian Broadcasting Company:
"Canadian officials still haven't seen intelligence linking UN's Gaza aid agency with Hamas: sources"

No evidence given to the Canadian gov, a dossier was given to the UK, but there was no evidence included about the alleged involvement of the staffers in Oct 7.

From the link: emphasis mine

"I don't think we need to give intelligence information. This would reveal sources in the operation," Lior Haiat, a spokesperson for Israel's foreign ministry"​

This matches what I wrote earlier:

israel does not expose its surveillance and intelligence capabilities

IOW, the evidence is not being given to the press.

Also:

... a dossier was given to the UK, but there was no evidence included about the alleged involvement of the staffers in Oct 7.

" ... a dossier was given to the UK,"

To the UK press.

From the link:
"Britain's Channel Four News earlier this week obtained a copy of a dossier that the government of Israel shared with the U.K. government"​
A dossier was given to the UK press. That is not the entire correspondence between israel and your government. It is the only information which is permitted to be released to the public.

The assumption that there is no evidence based on this is foolish. Ultimately, military decisions are best detached from public opinion. It doesn't matter if the public is in the dark on this. Israel will continue to do what needs to be done regardless of how the public feels about it. This is not a popularity contest.
 
Last edited:

Bthoth

Well-Known Member
From the link: emphasis mine

"I don't think we need to give intelligence information. This would reveal sources in the operation," Lior Haiat, a spokesperson for Israel's foreign ministry"​

This matches what I wrote earlier:



IOW, the evidence is not being given to the press.

Also:



" ... a dossier was given to the UK,"

To the UK press.

From the link:
"Britain's Channel Four News earlier this week obtained a copy of a dossier that the government of Israel shared with the U.K. government"​
A dossier was given to the UK press. That is not the entire correspondence between israel and your government. It is the only information which is permitted to be released to the public.

The assumption that there is no evidence based on this is foolish. Ultimately, military decisions are best detached from public opinion. It doesn't matter if the public is in the dark on this. Israel will continue to do what needs to be done regardless of how the public feels about it. This is not a popularity contest.
Israel works on opinion and what is the best way to keep the hate on fire.

If israel had any inside intelligence, they would have stopped the attack.

Simply put, how can anyone consider israel credible?

The popularity is so low, that even Jews are against israel here in the USA.
 

Saint Frankenstein

Here for the ride
Premium Member
Bless your heart.
He must love your leaping to his defense.
You've so much in common.
Zionists really love to project their traits onto others. Literally the only side using Nazi rhetoric, and holding similar beliefs and behaving like Nazis here are the Zionists. So my rule of thumb now is to reverse whatever a fanatical Zionist says about their opponents and put it back on them - then it becomes true. Works every time. It's like magic.
 

Saint Frankenstein

Here for the ride
Premium Member
Well bring them 5 million folks on over. Half that number crossed the border illegally anyway in 23.

Seems obvious leaving them to stew in each others backyard ain't never going to work. It doesn't seem like their fellow Muslim nations have any interest in bailing them out.

Leaving them in that little piece of land at the mercy of both Israel and Hamas seems about as cruel as one can go about it.
You're promoting literal ethnic cleansing there. That is their homeland. Why should they leave and not the genocidal monsters putting them in that situation?
 

dybmh

דניאל יוסף בן מאיר הירש
how can anyone consider israel credible?

How? By doing the hard work of considering "who, what, when/where, how, and why" on a case by case basis. When I do that, israel is light-years beyond the anti-israel/anti-jewish conglomerate in terms of credibility and morality.

Also, I do not rush to judgement.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Let's compare.
I support Israel and the Jewish people.
And death to Muslims.
Hamas, Hitler, and left wing zealots here support those who want them gone.
Just as Israel wants Palestinians gone.
It's the modus operandi of the Leftists to accuse their opposition of whatever they themselves do.
So you're a leftist, eh.
When you say I have so much in common with Nazis, you're telling me your own values.
I'm telling, but you're not inferring accurately.
You, Israel, & Nazis both wanted conquest by
mass murder.
But if you re-read your post that I responded to,
you'd see that I said you had much in common
with another poster on RF.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
You are tough on israel but trying to associate a religious war to the mess is not good.
Religion is fundamental to many oppressive regimes
& conflicts, eg, the Taliban in Afghanistan. It would be
to stick one's head in the sand to ignore that Israel is
"The Jewish State", & that being "God's Chosen People",
Christians & Jews in USA generally share its islamophobia
& low opinion of Muslims & Arabs. This is why USA still
sends weapons to Israel to use in its genocide of Palestinians.

Tolerance regarding religion shouldn't mean that
we must ignore it just because its a sensitive issue.
On RF & in general, we freely criticize Christianity
& Islam. Judaism should not differ when adherents
cause woe to innocent people.
 
Top