US prepares for threat of joint Chinese, Russian and North Korean nuclear strike

[We Never Know]

I don't know that I would want to survive a nuclear war to be completely honest. At some point you just accept what happens.

Yep. So many lives lost, people left decaying alive, suffering, etc and the land and water worthless and poisoned.

 

[Kathryn]

Yep. So many lives lost, people left decaying alive, suffering, etc and the land and water worthless and poisoned.

I honestly don't want any part of it. I lived in Germany FIVE YEARS AFTER CHERNOBYL and we still were getting notifications not to shop at a local market and that sort of thing.

 

[Spice]

In the 60s we were told to not look directly at the mushroom, but once that was over, start walking in that direction. IOW, go ahead and get it over with.

The more likely scenario, and a very believable one, is what started the current prepper movement. The trilogy by William R Forstchen, One Second After. Great read!

 

[We Never Know]

In the 60s we were told to not look directly at the mushroom, but once that was over, start walking in that direction. IOW, go ahead and get it over with.

The more likely scenario, and a very believable one, is what started the current prepper movement. The trilogy by William R Forstchen, One Second After. Great read!

I remember being told 'to put your head between your legs and kiss your butt goodbye' lol

 

[Kathryn]

I remember being told 'to put your head between your legs and kiss your butt goodbye' lol

LOL I remember that too!

 

[beenherebeforeagain]

Duck

And Cover...

 

[Stevicus]

Duck

And Cover...

I remember having to get under our desks whenever the teacher said "Drop!"

 

[beenherebeforeagain]

I remember having to get under our desks whenever the teacher said "Drop!"

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For six years in elementary school, I had shelters that looked just like that...except for the tornadoes...for those, we were supposed to go out into the hallway, so the twister would be more efficient at sucking us all out of hallway...

 

[We Never Know]

For six years in elementary school, I had shelters that looked just like that...except for the tornadoes...for those, we were supposed to go out into the hallway, so the twister would be more efficient at sucking us all out of hallway...

Lol. Yeah it was easier for the tornado to suck everyone out of the packed hallway than separate classes

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Do what you will, humanity itself might survive a nuclear war. We learned long ago (1983) when we studied what "nuclear winter" would bring that it could mean the extinction of our species, but more recent models have suggested that there could well be places where humans survive.

Now, just a quick question: does that make you feel better?

 

[beenherebeforeagain]

Lol. Yeah it was easier for the tornado to suck everyone out of the packed hallway than separate classes

my school was conveniently build in a T shape, with lightly built entries at each of the ends, as well as in the middle...

 

[Stevicus]

Do what you will, humanity itself might survive a nuclear war. We learned long ago (1983) when we studied what "nuclear winter" would bring that it could mean the extinction of our species, but more recent models have suggested that there could well be places where humans survive.

Now, just a quick question: does that make you feel better?

I'm sure some humans will survive. Or at the very least, life may continue on Earth on some level.

I don't know how long the radiation would last. Although I've heard some say that it wouldn't be as bad as thought and that there would be "nuclear winter." But I have no idea what would happen. It would probably accelerate the process of global warming. The polar ice caps could melt entirely.

 

[Heyo]

I honestly don't want any part of it. I lived in Germany FIVE YEARS AFTER CHERNOBYL and we still were getting notifications not to shop at a local market and that sort of thing.

I don't know how much strategies have changed, but during the Cold War, Germany was the target of a substantial number of nukes from both sides, just to make sure the other side wouldn't get here.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

US prepares for threat of joint Chinese, Russian and North Korean nuclear strike - National Security News

The United States is making plans to counter the growing possibility of a joint Chinese, Russian and North Korean nuclear strike, according to a classified Pentagon document. In March, Joe Biden, the US president, secretly approved a significant change to America’s nuclear defence plan, The New...

nationalsecuritynews.com

So, they're considering the possibility of a joint nuclear strike involving China, Russia, and North Korea. It is significant that China has doubled their nuclear weapons stock in the past three years.

The prospects of nuclear war have been with us since the Cold War - and now we seem to be in Cold War II - The Sequel.

I recall a lot of people were pretty worried about nuclear war, especially back in 1983 when the movie "The Day After" was a big television event which seemingly everyone watched and talked about in the days following. There were huge marches and protests in Europe and the U.S. against the proliferation of nuclear weapons. I've known some people who even had nightmares about nuclear war. A lot of people built bomb shelters, stocked up on food and supplies, preparing for the absolute worst. There are still a fair number of preppers out there, determined to survive such a catastrophe.

We also used to have "Fallout Shelter" signs everywhere, where people could go in the event of a nuclear war. Are those going to make a comeback? Should there be public bomb shelters built? (From what I've read, most of those places designated as "Fallout Shelters" back in the day were actually poorly built and would have offered little protection from radiation or a nuclear blast.)

I don't think anyone in the US seriously considers those 3 doing a nuclear strike to be imminent or even plausible.
But at the same time it's the government's job to be prepared for all thinkable scenario's, no matter how implausible they sound.

It's like a game of poker and chess combined.

Could we survive a nuclear war? Could we possibly win a nuclear war? I remember running into a few people back in the day who thought that a nuclear war was winnable.

In a modern all-out nuclear war, everybody will lose. All sides. All humans + everyone that isn't even part of the fighting factions.
Those who don't die from the strikes, will find themselves in a world where modern society has collapsed.


Maybe the human race will survive in the long run. But it will be "back to basics" for quite some time. I'ld be worried more about the chaos that follows societal collapse then the actual nuke strikes themselves.

The people in power know this. Nobody who plans on "winning" is going to opt for all-out nuclear war.
That option is more akin to "if we are going down, then we're taking everybody with us!"

And that tells you why the arsenals exist. It's like a safeguard for warning the other side to "not take us down" - not even conventionally.


Imagine the war between Russia and Ukraine if Russia didn't have this nuclear arsenal.
NATO would have obliterated the Kremlin by now. That is, if Russia would have even risked the invasion in that case... probably not.

 

[Stevicus]

Regarding fallout shelters, this article details some of the problems:

Nuclear Fallout Shelters Were Never Going to Work | HISTORY

Leaking water drums. Missing supplies. Dubious locations. What could go wrong?

www.history.com

And what sorts of quarters awaited those who staggered down the stairs? Only a handful were relatively posh; Chase Manhattan Bank, for one, dropped $49,000 on “compressed” wheat biscuits in banana and chocolate flavors to stock its five-story shelter. But most citizens would find only dank, low-ceilinged basements equipped with the barest necessities: bedding, drums of potable water, medical kits and government-issue wheat crackers.

And while Uncle Sam thoughtfully provided toilet paper, the toilets themselves were harder to come by. A handy tip from a government booklet advised: “Make a commode by cutting the seat out of a chair and placing the pail under it.” It’s little wonder that the medical kits also included phenobarbital to chill everybody out.

Perhaps not surprisingly, the trouble with such crude accommodations became obvious almost immediately. Mere months into the program, reports emerged of leaking water drums and shelters that had never received any supplies. In a New York Times story on June 11, 1963, a Harlem woman asked, “Who’d want to go down there?” referring to the fetid tenement cellar meant to serve as her shelter space. The “rats are as big as dogs,” she said. “If fallout came, I’d just run.”

In fact, the untenability of the shelters was public knowledge before they had even opened. A November 1961 story on the front page of The Washington Post bemoaned that most of the designated shelters would be little more than “cold, unpleasant cellar space, with bad ventilation and even worse sanitation.”

 

[metis]

Getting prepared for when the world runs out of oil.

No olive oil!!! My wife and I would then have to eat more like the Irish: boil the taste out of everything!

 

[Kathryn]

I don't know how much strategies have changed, but during the Cold War, Germany was the target of a substantial number of nukes from both sides, just to make sure the other side wouldn't get here.

All I know is that after the Soviet Union fell apart, we got rid of many US military bases throughout Germany.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Getting prepared for when the world runs out of oil.

Keep in mind that the world is constantly making new oil as much. The cycle never ends.

 

[amorphous_constellation]

Maybe the human race will survive in the long run. But it will be "back to basics" for quite some time. I'ld be worried more about the chaos that follows societal collapse then the actual nuke strikes themselves.

I guess I kind of envision a world of endless ruins, where the communication networks are all shut down, and people band together in gangs of about 100 to pick over the scraps. Very dystopian. Parts of the horizon seem to have a perpetual red glow, as motorcycle gangs rip down around radioactive cornfields at midnight, I guess wearing whatever protective clothing they can find

 

[amorphous_constellation]

Keep in mind that the world is constantly making new oil as much. The cycle never ends.

how does that work