USA Death Penalty

[Heyo]

No, After ww2...... the country was split up. The USA helped emancipate germany.

The people who gave us our Grundgesetz, Brits, French but mostly US Americans, corrected a lot of mistakes the US had made with their Constitution and laws. For one they implemented what the US only has as a preamble that has never been made into law: the inalienable right to life.
Yep, I have that right, you don't.

 

[Heyo]

and murdered many at the nuremberg trials.

The Nuremberg trials were held by the Allies against representatives of the defeated Nazi Germany

(Emphasis mine)
Nuremberg trials - Wikipedia

 

[Subduction Zone]

The people who gave us our Grundgesetz, Brits, French but mostly US Americans, corrected a lot of mistakes the US had made with their Constitution and laws. For one they implemented what the US only has as a preamble that has never been made into law: the inalienable right to life.
Yep, I have that right, you don't.

Germany learned quite a bit from WWII, I hope that it does not take something similar for us to correct our present direction.

 

[RestlessSoul]

Stop it. The US is the benchmark that most countries aspire too.

This is a joke, right?

 

[RestlessSoul]

There would be no Christianity without the death penalty.

Technically true, but rather misses the point that the Romans knowingly killed an innocent man.

 

[Father Heathen]

If someone is sentenced to death, it should be at the lowest expense of the government or make the family members pay for any expense beyond a single 45 caliper bullet.

Why would family be held responsible?

 

[libre]

Stop it. The US is the benchmark that most countries aspire too.

On policy? Do you really believe that?

 

[libre]

Sure - Canada certainly isn't perfect. On the whole, though... I feel more free in Canada than in the US.

I remember especially after the Patriot Act was passed being very aware that thing most protecting me from arbitrary detention was my skin colour and not my legal rights.

I agree with you on the patriot act and in some other more general ways.

In recent years I've come to understand that US backwardness is a central part of Anglo-Canada's identity in the same way that the supposed irredeemable racism of the South is part of Northern white Identity in the United States. Gesturing South becomes a way for many to evoke pride and eschew accountability.

Trying to explore Canadian colonial realities has lead me to a series of facts about Canada that I was never taught growing up- such as that First Nations reserves in Canada's borders (representing the land of approximately 600 nations) when combined are smaller than the singular Navajo reserve in the United States.

Similarly, Canadian government has been found to be responsible for very recent genocidal actions towards murdered and missing Indigenous women and the residential school policy (which are familiar issues that most Canadians are misinformed regarding).

 

[Secret Chief]

This is a joke, right?

Made me laff.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I agree with you on the patriot act and in some other more general ways.

In recent years I've come to understand that US backwardness is a central part of Anglo-Canada's identity in the same way that the supposed irredeemable racism of the South is part of Northern white Identity in the United States. Gesturing South becomes a way for many to evoke pride and eschew accountability.

Trying to explore Canadian colonial realities has lead me to a series of facts about Canada that I was never taught growing up- such as that First Nations reserves in Canada's borders (representing the land of approximately 600 nations) when combined are smaller than the singular Navajo reserve in the United States.

Similarly, Canadian government has been found to be responsible for very recent genocidal actions towards murdered and missing Indigenous women and the residential school policy (which are familiar issues that most Canadians are misinformed regarding).

Well that makes me feel better, and offers an excellent solution for our woes. Blame Canada.

 

[wellwisher]

I have long opposed the death penalty as there's other forms of punishment, plus ignores the fact that people may be rehabilitated.

What strikes me as hypocrisy is that so many Christians are for the death penalty and yet Jesus not only talked about redemption but also said "Let he whom is without sin cast the first stone" when a woman was about to be stoned for prostitution.

Say a police officer was walking his beat in a city. He hears cries for help and catches a murderer beating his victim and about to execute that person. The officer yells for him to stop and put the ax down, but he continues. The officer shoots him and kills him. This is also the death penalty.

The difference between this scenario and the long winded death penalty with lawyers and prison, is the time scale. The more time that goes on, and the more time the Defense attorneys weave their yarns, more people who want to believe in the compassionate lie. If there is no time to think and intellectualize, but there is a need to act, now, this death penalty will be seen as righteous by 99%. But as things become delayed and distorted, more and more people forget the hard reality of why we are here in the first place, but fixate on the defense illusions. The exception will be the families and friends of the victim, who can never forget the loss.

In the case of the death penalty, there is no direct witness, since he or she is dead, and there was no officer see and help. Instead the victim was alone, in terror, to deal with a monster, who will now will have plenty of time to painted as the victim of a corrupt injustice system. The little girl attacked the murderer, so he had to shoot her. The police are also predators and hate the innocent accused, according to the Left. It is not the monster's fault due to systemic racism. The more you pile on the lies, the Left eats up, as they were trained to do in school, this more compassion for the murderer and the loss of memory for the victim.

What I would do is tax Democrats extra, to pay for life of prison instead of the death penalty. You want it, so you can pay for it. This is similar to sanctuary cities, who liked to show how much they cared, until they had to pay to pamper a criminal.

One change that can go a long way to justice, is to require all Lawyers, defense and offense, to take an oath to tell the truth at risk of perjury before any trial or public appearance for a cause. Now they do not have to take an oath and are allowed to lie. Who allowed that scam?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Say a police officer was walking his beat in a city. He hears cries for help and catches a murderer beating his victim and about to execute that person. The officer yells for him to stop and put the ax down, but he continues. The officer shoots him and kills him. This is also the death penalty.

The difference between this scenario and the long winded death penalty with lawyers and prison, is the time scale. The more time that goes on, and the more time the Defense attorneys weave their yarns, more people who want to believe in the compassionate lie. If there is no time to think and intellectualize, but there is a need to act, now, this death penalty will be seen as righteous by 99%. But as things become delayed and distorted, more and more people forget the hard reality of why we are here in the first place, but fixate on the defense illusions. The exception will be the families and friends of the victim, who can never forget the loss.

In the case of the death penalty, there is no direct witness, since he or she is dead, and there was no officer see and help. Instead the victim was alone, in terror, to deal with a monster, who will now will have plenty of time to painted as the victim of a corrupt injustice system. The little girl attacked the murderer, so he had to shoot her. The police are also predators and hate the innocent accused, according to the Left. It is not the monster's fault due to systemic racism. The more you pile on the lies, the Left eats up, as they were trained to do in school, this more compassion for the murderer and the loss of memory for the victim.

What I would do is tax Democrats extra, to pay for life of prison instead of the death penalty. You want it, so you can pay for it. This is similar to sanctuary cities, who liked to show how much they cared, until they had to pay to pamper a criminal.

One change that can go a long way to justice, is to require all Lawyers, defense and offense, to take an oath to tell the truth at risk of perjury before any trial or public appearance for a cause. Now they do not have to take an oath and are allowed to lie. Who allowed that scam?

No, the death penalty is a punishment from a trial. Your example was a justified shooting in an attempt to save a life. The officer will not even necessarily kill the man. If being shot is enough to drop him but not kill him the officer does not finish him off.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Say a police officer was walking his beat in a city. He hears cries for help and catches a murderer beating his victim and about to execute that person. The officer yells for him to stop and put the ax down, but he continues. The officer shoots him and kills him. This is also the death penalty.

No, it isn't.

The difference between this scenario and the long winded death penalty with lawyers and prison, is the time scale.

No, the differences in your scenario:

• The perpetrator didn't actually commit the crime of murder.
• There is a high likelihood of immediate harm to someone if the police officer doesn't act immediately.

The death penalty is about punishing past crimes, not preventing future crimes; the crime they're being punished for already happened.

If someone is in prison, then they're already prevented from killing a member of the public on a street corner with an axe. That goal is achieved without killing them.

 

[Mock Turtle]

Yep, justice will prevail.

Justice is perhaps one of the greatest cultural foundations of US.

Is it justice when the cops (not appointed judge or jury) can kill someone in the course of apprehending them, and even when they might have done nothing wrong? And this in fresh today, as to justice being when one is simply disturbed by others:

Man guilty of murdering woman blasted with shotgun after she chose wrong drive

Kevin Monahan, 66, was found guilty of second-degree murder, reckless endangerment and tampering with evidence after he shot Kaylin Gillis, 20, in the neck in rural New York

www.mirror.co.uk

Only in America - I tend to save news items which so often fall into this category - and which mainly comes about from your obsession with owning firearms, and of course your freedom to exercise your rights - to kill others.

 

[Bthoth]

Wow...... the US gives israel money to destroy GAZA and now, everyone turns on US.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Yep, justice will prevail.

Justice is perhaps one of the greatest cultural foundations of US.

Your country was founded as a slave state. The cultural foundation of your country was a very selective type of justice.

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

That the US still has the death penalty says a lot about the country.

Like what?

 

[metis]

I don’t think you can make a blanket statement that it’s hypocritical for Christians to support the death penalty for certain heinous crimes; such as for child rapists or traffickers.

Well, it certainly seems to me that you are more than willing to use secular politics as your main guide on this. Jesus said "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone" but gave no exceptions.

 

[metis]

Isn't that the point of Christianity? (most of the various versions anyway).

The Catholic Church in the development of the Nicene Creed used "essence" to explain Jesus' and the Holy Spirit's relationship to God. Thus, it can be said this way: Jesus and the Holy Spirit are of the essence of God.

 

[metis]

Say a police officer was walking his beat in a city. He hears cries for help and catches a murderer beating his victim and about to execute that person. The officer yells for him to stop and put the ax down, but he continues. The officer shoots him and kills him. This is also the death penalty.

The difference between this scenario and the long winded death penalty with lawyers and prison, is the time scale. The more time that goes on, and the more time the Defense attorneys weave their yarns, more people who want to believe in the compassionate lie. If there is no time to think and intellectualize, but there is a need to act, now, this death penalty will be seen as righteous by 99%. But as things become delayed and distorted, more and more people forget the hard reality of why we are here in the first place, but fixate on the defense illusions. The exception will be the families and friends of the victim, who can never forget the loss.

In the case of the death penalty, there is no direct witness, since he or she is dead, and there was no officer see and help. Instead the victim was alone, in terror, to deal with a monster, who will now will have plenty of time to painted as the victim of a corrupt injustice system. The little girl attacked the murderer, so he had to shoot her. The police are also predators and hate the innocent accused, according to the Left. It is not the monster's fault due to systemic racism. The more you pile on the lies, the Left eats up, as they were trained to do in school, this more compassion for the murderer and the loss of memory for the victim.

What I would do is tax Democrats extra, to pay for life of prison instead of the death penalty. You want it, so you can pay for it. This is similar to sanctuary cities, who liked to show how much they cared, until they had to pay to pamper a criminal.

One change that can go a long way to justice, is to require all Lawyers, defense and offense, to take an oath to tell the truth at risk of perjury before any trial or public appearance for a cause. Now they do not have to take an oath and are allowed to lie. Who allowed that scam?

What a totally wacky post.