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Utah counts down to firing squad execution
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Poisonshady313
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Yes.
Probably not, which is why he made it to the third strike in the first place.
Probably. He's a menace to society, he can't be trusted to be free.
Since civil rights come from agreeing to the Social Contract, those who choose to violate their contractual obligations, such as by committing crimes, abdicate their rights, and the rest of society can be expected to protect itself against the actions of such outlaws. To be a member of society is to accept responsibility for following its rules, along with the threat of punishment for violating them.
Social contract - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
That there says it better than I can.
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
You felt strongly enough to create a thread to openly object.
I know, but you shared these feelings, and by doing so I'm sure you would like others to understand and perhaps even consider your point of view. I just want to know the reasoning behind this stance.Because thats how i feel ,
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Father Heathen
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Right. Those who knowingly and deliberately violate the rights of others should have their own forfeit. Why should someone have the right to something that they denied to someone else?
dogsgod
Well-Known Member
Killing people is no way to send a message that it's wrong to kill people. Every country that has abolished the death penalty has experienced a drop in the murder rate, so we can save lives by not executing people.
Father Heathen
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kai
ragamuffin
Ok i started the thread to see the response to the Firing Squad in particular as i think in in this country it would be outragious.
Ok my reasonong is that i find state executions of prisoners totally distasteful, i feel they have no place in a modern society. and especially in the most modern societies on earth. I feel embarased when a country like the US does this while on the other hand lectures other countries on human rights.
I am totally against the state execution of prisoners and feel that the firing squad is another a step backwards for humanity.
Father Heathen
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kai
ragamuffin
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
kai
ragamuffin
you mean like logans run?
Father Heathen
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Father Heathen
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kai
ragamuffin
No the more i think about it i dont have the right to believe peoples moral conscience should advance with technology. 5000 years ago we hung murderers at Stonehenge now we shoot them in Utah. maybe that's just what we do and maybe in 200 years from now we may well laser them to death on pay per view.
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Kind of like that?
I'm unsure that a convincing argument can be made for demanding a torture/murder killer continue to live.
Saying we should not be killing people just lacks punch in the face of horrific crimes, and the sadistic people who commit them.
Are you so certain is it wise to allow a government to have life and death decisions over its citizens?
silvermoon383
Well-Known Member
Why not? They get to make life and death decisions over its soldiers and they're citizens too.
Truth_Faith13
Well-Known Member
I know it was his wish to be shot by firing squad, but I am surprised they allowed it...reading through the article, I found this interesting...
"Although death by firing squad has been outlawed in Utah since 2004, the law does not apply to those convicted before that date, so Gardner was allowed to choose it as the method of his execution. "
That seems a bit of an odd law to have..its almost like saying, a decade ago it was OK to spank your kids, well she/he was born a decade ago therefore we can still beat them...????? :sarcastic
By the way I am talking from a UK perspective where spanking your kids is illegal. I do admire the USA, but it is very behind with certain things...and the death penalty is one thing I do not agree with..its bad enough that they still have the lethal injection which at least is kind of humane...but firing squad?? Which century are we in here???
One thing that does confuse me with "death row" - many people who claim the death penalty is good because its cheaper..he was convicted in 1985!!! 25years ago...thats a prison sentence for murder!! Why do they wait so long???
"Although death by firing squad has been outlawed in Utah since 2004, the law does not apply to those convicted before that date, so Gardner was allowed to choose it as the method of his execution. "
That seems a bit of an odd law to have..its almost like saying, a decade ago it was OK to spank your kids, well she/he was born a decade ago therefore we can still beat them...????? :sarcastic
By the way I am talking from a UK perspective where spanking your kids is illegal. I do admire the USA, but it is very behind with certain things...and the death penalty is one thing I do not agree with..its bad enough that they still have the lethal injection which at least is kind of humane...but firing squad?? Which century are we in here???
One thing that does confuse me with "death row" - many people who claim the death penalty is good because its cheaper..he was convicted in 1985!!! 25years ago...thats a prison sentence for murder!! Why do they wait so long???
methylatedghosts
Can't brain. Has dumb.
Really? People would rather have no freedom than die?
Seriously?
I would rather die than be unable to walk where and when I liked, wearing what I liked, with whoever I liked.
Seriously?
I would rather die than be unable to walk where and when I liked, wearing what I liked, with whoever I liked.