Utah's Proposed Sex Ed Law

[Sunstone]

i learned about it when i was 4-5 years old too from watching animals and this wasn't so far back as the 1920s or the 50s.
it is different to watch animals and learn from/through them than to learn about what teachers have to say in school about human sexuality.

to learn such a thing through the lives of animals, gives you that sense of feeling that it's just part of their nature, just like eating, pooping out in the open etc. for example, no parent would have their young child watch porn. well, by watching animals do it, i never considered it as such and it was a natural thing for them, they did it in the barn, out in the field, everywhere. you can't prevent your child from seeing that.

however, it is part of our nature too. but if you tell a child such things, then they are going to get very curious. everyone knows that if you tell a child not to do something he is going to do it. in a study regarding this that i saw on TV, they placed a child in a room with cameras which had toys, they told the child there are toys behind him and that he is not allowed to turn his head and see them nor play with them. eventually all kids gave into it.

now through such education in school, kids will want to try it out, they already are from as young as 11 or 12 due to pornographic images that they see on the internet but with such education they will feel that they can 'play it safe' because they know the dangers.

Funny theories about kids aside, I have a friend who raised two daughters to be ignorant about sex. He simply told them to abstain from sex because he figured that telling them about contraception and so forth would encourage them to have sex. Naturally, both daughters got pregnant out of wedlock before they were even 20 years old. Ignorance is more likely to get kids in trouble than facts.

 

[McBell]

Utah recently passed legistlation that, if signed into law, bans teaching about contraception and homosexuality to public school students. Do you think that sort of law will catch on in other states?

Yeah, cause it is much better for them to learn about sex from their peers watching tv...

 

[McBell]

I have taken to answering my childrens questions as they come.
I also let them know that I will answer their questions as honestly as I can.
If I do not know the answer I sit with them and look it up.

My experience has been that any time you "ban" something, via not talking about or actually passing laws, you merely prompt peoples curiosity as to why it was banned.

So teaching children that sex is a no no only makes them want to know why.
Imagine their disappointment when they realize it is merely because some adults are to shy to talk about it.

 

[Gharib]

I have taken to answering my childrens questions as they come.
I also let them know that I will answer their questions as honestly as I can.
If I do not know the answer I sit with them and look it up.

My experience has been that any time you "ban" something, via not talking about or actually passing laws, you merely prompt peoples curiosity as to why it was banned.

So teaching children that sex is a no no only makes them want to know why.
Imagine their disappointment when they realize it is merely because some adults are to shy to talk about it.

you make some good points. i agree that if you tell people not to do something they want to do it even more out of curiosity.

but that works for both way though, if you teach them about it and tell them that they can't do it then they will.

it's best to have them learn about it in time as they grow up, they learn a little today, a little tomorrow, a little the next day etc. sometimes a person needs to be ready for some things, we don't employ kids to give lectures, we employ educated people for that because they have studied and are ready to teach others.

 

[Reverend Rick]

It's quite telling that the religious see knowledge and understanding as a threat.

I see it a threat when society wants to do my job as a parent because of crappy parents in the world.

To me, telling young children about homosexuality would be objectionable to me as everyone allowing me to conduct Sunday school on school grounds during class hours.

Seperation of church and state does not apply to non-religious agenda groups who want to increase their ranks.

Just like schools who require children to sing praise to Obama.

It's all p-tizing an agenda.

 

[waitasec]

it would be immoral to not teach about contraception.

 

[Father Heathen]

you would be wrong saying that and wrong having said it.

Why else would they try to keep children ignorant?

 

[waitasec]

it would be immoral to :ignore: homosexuality

 

[Father Heathen]

I see it a threat when society wants to do my job as a parent because of crappy parents in the world.

It's a school's job to educate. Are you saying that schools shouldn't exist at all? Why should random subjects be arbitrarily exempt merely due to kooky spooky beliefs?

To me, telling young children about homosexuality would be objectionable to me as everyone allowing me to conduct Sunday school on school grounds during class hours.

Homosexuals exist. They're a part of the world. Children need to learn about the world.

Seperation of church and state does not apply to non-religious agenda groups who want to increase their ranks.

By "agenda group" do you mean the informed and educated? Why yes, we would like to see an increase in our "ranks".

Just like schools who require children to sing praise to Obama.

What?

It's all p-tizing an agenda.

If you want to call teaching children about life and the world an "agenda".

Apparently the survival of your religion and your political party depends on keeping people dumb and clueless.

 

[McBell]

but that works for both way though, if you teach them about it and tell them that they can't do it then they will.

Except that is not the case in Germany, where they do not have the same attitudes towards hiding sex and the human body as they do in the USA.

Until such time as society stops making sex such a taboo and forbidden subject...

it's best to have them learn about it in time as they grow up, they learn a little today, a little tomorrow, a little the next day etc. sometimes a person needs to be ready for some things, we don't employ kids to give lectures, we employ educated people for that because they have studied and are ready to teach others.

Except that society does not allow them to teach the kids.
The law in the OP is a clear cut example of it.

Not to mention the epic failure of abstinence only "education".

 

[McBell]

I see it a threat when society wants to do my job as a parent because of crappy parents in the world.

I agree.
but then, I think the law in the OP is a serious step BACKWARDS and nothing more than getting religious beliefs signed into law.

To me, telling young children about homosexuality would be objectionable to me as everyone allowing me to conduct Sunday school on school grounds during class hours.

Huh?
How is educating children about homosexuality the same as teaching about one of the many many religious belief systems?

Seperation of church and state does not apply to non-religious agenda groups who want to increase their ranks.

Just like schools who require children to sing praise to Obama.

What school does that?

It's all p-tizing an agenda.

No more so than the law in the OP...

 

[Reverend Rick]

I agree.
but then, I think the law in the OP is a serious step BACKWARDS and nothing more than getting religious beliefs signed into law.

we agree again. Lets let parents be parents and teachers be teachers.

Lets leave sex, religion and politics out of the school system.

Huh?
How is educating children about homosexuality the same as teaching about one of the many many religious belief systems?

It's not the schools job to teach about sexuality period.

Separation of church and state does not apply to non-religious agenda groups who want to increase their ranks.

Exactly, but it should. The school should remain neutral and stay out of these things instead of indoctrinating our children.

What school does that?

I will look for this, I saw it on the news. I watched videos of children doing this on class time.

No more so than the law in the OP...

The law in the OP is wrong, I do not support it.

 

[waitasec]

and of course our society is filled with such great parents...

not.


but alas, natural selection should take it's course as ignorance breeds more ignorance and thusly leads us to our own demise....

ignorance is bliss.

 

[Reverend Rick]

Here you go

Yes We Can... Indoctrinate Your Kids! | Empower Texans

 

[McBell]

Here you go

Yes We Can... Indoctrinate Your Kids! | Empower Texans

That is just as wrong as the law in the OP...

 

[Father Heathen]

Lets leave sex, religion and politics out of the school system. It's not the schools job to teach about sexuality period.

Why not? What exactly seperates sexuality from biology, science, math, history or any other subject?

The school should remain neutral and stay out of these things instead of indoctrinating our children.

What are they not being "neutral" on? Does teaching kids about the history of racism and the civil rights movement overstep neutrality? As for "indoctrination", is teaching a kid that 1+1=2 a form of indoctrination?

Also, I hope you didn't miss my post here.

 

[Reverend Rick]

Why not? What exactly seperates sexuality from biology, science, math, history or any other subject?

First things first FH. Lets make sure they can actually read and balance a check book before we teach them about alternative life styles.

What are they not being "neutral" on? Does teaching kids about the history of racism and the civil rights movement overstep neutrality? As for "indoctrination", is teaching a kid that 1+1=2 a form of indoctrination?

Nice strawman you got there. :yes:

Also, I hope you didn't miss my post here.

I will review.

 

[waitasec]

what is it about the US and sex...?

 

[Apex]

Why not? What exactly seperates sexuality from biology, science, math, history or any other subject?

I think you are conflating sexuality with human reproduction.

 

[waitasec]