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Vaccination and Religious Beliefs

Vishvavajra

Active Member
Money baby, money !.
This seems to be the cornerstone conspiracy theory these days. It's based on the idea that vaccines are profitable, which they historically have not been. They're still not in most countries. In the US their cost has been steadily rising, but that has everything to do with the awful health care system here and nothing to do with the nature of vaccines, as the cost of everything has been rising. Insofar as vaccines bring in a profit to Big Pharma, it's estimated to be less than 2% of their total revenues, which is statistically insignificant. It sounds like a lot if you quote the dollar amount, but to these companies it's the equivalent of the change you find when you clean the sofa. In fact there are far fewer companies making vaccines than there used to be, since in today's increasingly capitalistic health care market it's just not considered to be worth the cost.

The actual clinics on the ground typically lose money on vaccinations, or if they're lucky they break even. There is zero incentive for people on the ground to participate in this hypothetical conspiracy, even if one did believe that people were capable of keeping up a quasi-supernatural degree of illusionism for so long and over such a wide range of the population, which they're not.

But you probably think the moon landing was faked and 9/11 was an inside job. Conspiracy theorists will believe anything as long as 1) there's no evidence for it and 2) it makes them feel like they're in on a big secret that nobody else knows.
 
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Nietzsche

The Last Prussian
Premium Member
If you're going to put my nephew at risk (he can't have most vaccines because of an egg allergy) or incubate a future outbreak of a new strain of a disease in some anti-vax commune, shouldn't I get a say? Why shouldn't I get a voice in a decision to put the people I care about and me at risk?
Obviously if your nephew washed more, things would be fine.
 

SomeRandom

Still learning to be wise
Staff member
Premium Member
Money baby, money !.

So then why are there countries where you can get a vaccine free of charge? Even when those countries may have a Universal Health Care system (public health provided to all and paid with everyone's tax.)

I've never once paid for my vaccines, excepting a few post graduation shots (and only because I got them late. And even still those vaccines were never for very serious infections.) I've never even had to put it on the Medicare scheme (our health care system.)

With most vaccines I've received outside of school, I don't think they even asked for my ID let alone my Medicare number. Meaning this service wasn't even paid for out of the tax pool, just given to you.
Literally walked in said hey to the nurse, answered the usual "are you allergic to x" questions, got the shot and walked out again.
 
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psychoslice

Veteran Member
If you're going to put my nephew at risk (he can't have most vaccines because of an egg allergy) or incubate a future outbreak of a new strain of a disease in some anti-vax commune, shouldn't I get a say? Why shouldn't I get a voice in a decision to put the people I care about and me at risk?
Its your choice whatever that choice is, its called freedom.
 

psychoslice

Veteran Member
Great reply 10/10.

Good to see that our reptilian overlords haven't killed you yet.
So then why are there countries where you can get a vaccine free of charge? Even when those countries may have a Universal Health Care system (public health provided to all and paid with everyone's tax.)

I've never once paid for my vaccines, excepting a few post graduation shots (and only because I got them late. And even still those vaccines were never for very serious infections.) I've never even had to put it on the Medicare scheme (our health care system.)

With most vaccines I've received outside of school, I don't think they even asked for my ID let alone my Medicare number. Meaning this service wasn't even paid for out of the tax pool, just given to you.
Literally walked in said hey to the nurse, answered the usual "are you allergic to x" questions, got the shot and walked out again.
Believe me someone is paying from it.
 

SomeRandom

Still learning to be wise
Staff member
Premium Member
No this stuff just pops out of the sky magically lol.

So the Unicorn people are behind it all? I knew it!!

In all seriousness, you do realize from a fiscal point of view vaccines are actually not very profitable. I think the supermarket I work for makes more just from tobacco sales alone than peeps would in the vaccine "industry."
 

psychoslice

Veteran Member
So the Unicorn people are behind it all? I knew it!!

In all seriousness, you do realize from a fiscal point of view vaccines are actually not very profitable. I think the supermarket I work for makes more just from tobacco sales alone than peeps would in the vaccine "industry."
And lets not forget the fairies.:D
 

SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
So you believe that all this stuff is for free, that all those who made it are working for free and it coast nothing ?.
Instead of trying to turn it back on me, how about providing an explanation or some evidence or something. They'd make a helluva lot more money pushing viagra or lipitor - that's where the real money is. Vaccines are small potatoes. Do you actually read the informative posts in the thread? Somebody wrote a whole thing about this.
 

psychoslice

Veteran Member
Instead of trying to turn it back on me, how about providing an explanation or some evidence or something. They'd make a helluva lot more money pushing viagra or lipitor - that's where the real money is. Vaccines are small potatoes. Do you actually read the informative posts in the thread? Somebody wrote a whole thing about this.
Doesn't mean its right, have you read about how expensive the vaccines are to the poorer countries ?, someone is paying
 
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