Perhaps that is where we differ, I don't see a need to sugarcoat and endulge in herd mentality where all these problems aren't problems and it's just part of the new norm, as well as making others out to be something they are not in order to promote a case. I have love for any human being, regardless of the range of spectrums. There is no need to portray me as one who does not.
Well all I was doing was treating autistic people like actual people with their own unique strengths and weaknesses. Many high functioning autistic people are merely ****ty at social interactions. Yeah that's a problem in social settings and maybe job interviews, but they can still function like human beings. Low functioning autistic people need professional help. Sure. But that doesn't mean they can't theoretically do whatever they want. There is a woman who has no hands and paints for a living.
In my background, we are taught to accept the world as it is. That does not mean dismissing disabled people as contributors to society. We don't like to expect less of disabled people, because in my culture, that is to disrespect god. Not that I'm particularly theistic mind you, but still.
New Norm? Maybe in the West. And I agree that it can go too far at times. But where I stand, it's not particularly "new."
My 2 nephews were healthy, happy, and fine at older ages until both receiving more vaccinations the same day. One became angry and violent, beats his head at walls, cannot be around other children because he wants to hit and hurt them. The other's speech has become terrible, gets bullied at school from it, and has to take speech therapy classes in which he once spoke clear. The parents are not mentally strong enough to handle that, became divorced, further making complications harder. It doesn't take scientific evidence to see many children now having problems they never once had. It is called reality. Magical coincidence and just another statistic and quack I suppose is the new diagnosis. A fairy just happened to spread fairy dust of these symptoms upon them magically.
That is quite sad to hear. I'm sorry. Genuinely.
But you do realize that children change all the time. We change personalities every 6 months until the age of 25 or so. Some babies just start out "perfectly normal" and become different later. Both vaccinated and unvaccinated. So what is your point? That you as a clearly qualified medical professional can diagnose these children, perform studies that can definitively prove a causal link? Or are you speaking as a laymen trying to justify why things turned out that way?
It's all very well to point out a boogeyman, that's a perfectly normal human response to something going "wrong." Like no one would think less of anyone who did that. It's just human. But science by it's very nature is cold. It deals with what it can prove. Can you prove that vaccinations caused this to happen? You'd be hailed as one of the big makers and shakers in the industry if you can.
And please part of the job of diagnosing people is figuring out how it happened. Granted we still don't know what causes the various autistic spectrum, but there have been studies into the link between vaccines and autism for quite some time now. Still nothing. They'll keep digging I'm sure. Intellectual curiosity and all.
Conspiracy is a typical buzz word used. My colleague ran 3000 parts of scrap the other day at work and hid the evidence. Is that a conspiracy? Another colleague has been having an affair on his wife and has conspired to hide all of the evidence very cleverly. Another colleague has removed and destroyed all of the evidence on a company cpu he is not supposed to be using for personal use on company time. Is that a conspiracy?
Depends on how define conspiracy. But yeah, they sound like mild conspiracies. Conspiracies are even wound into the legal framework of many countries. Conspiracy to commit crimes, conspiracy to commit murder etc. Conspiracy Theories however are separate topic altogether though. So don't pretend that they are the same thing. Context mate context.
New information is always coming to light, and unfortunately the light hasn't been see on all this advanced new age technology we allegedly have. We don't even know what causes autism other than it being associated with brain inflammation and immune cells being triggered. Ironically, that's what vaccines do... trigger immune cells in ways they are not even close to understanding yet.
You know what else triggers immune cells? Every illness known to mankind. Foreign antibodies that the body doesn't recognize. And even male fetuses inside a pregnant woman! Many illnesses do in fact cause brain inflammation at the same time.
So it might be a side affect of some illness we don't know of yet. It might just be a genetic mutation. But considering that many vaccines are for illnesses that kill or otherwise debilitate people the first time round, even if vaccines caused autism, it would be a matter of deciding between an autistic alive child or a dead one.
All medicine comes with risk, that's just the way it is.
Expecting there to be no side affects for all people is completely unrealistic and ignores biology.
Sorry.
Many people are not "anti-vax." They are freedom of choice and like to educate others. The extremist vaccinists love to create this war of us vs them mentality. Call them dangerous, quacks, killers, irresponsible, you name it. For me, someone is known by the fruit that they bear. While most of these same adults have not even been immune for a substantial amount of time to the same diseases they are calling others dangerous for while promoting children with live virus's to be around others kids in daycare and school the same day.
That's usually because the only people the "Anti Vax" side often trot out are not qualified immunologists. If they brought out actual qualified people who study infectious diseases for a living and not alternative medicine quacks, homeopaths or other outsiders to the medical community, they wouldn't face such charges. And some of their arguments, quite frankly, can be debunked by 8th grade chemistry students. That doesn't bode well for their supposed "education campaign."
When debating biology one should bring a biologist, when debating chemistry one should bring a chemist. When debating vaccinations though, suddenly people without proper medical training come out of the woodwork.
When Dawkins calls out the unscientific reasoning of the creationist side he's not trying to establish an us vs them mentality. He's trying to establish proper scientific reasoning for the debate he's in. Now granted he could do so with a more polite disposition than he currently possesses, like someone like Neil DeGrasse Tyson, but still. Call a spade a spade, right?
I am opposed to mandatory vaccinations and all for freedom of choice
Who does mandatory vaccination? I mean they're free, you can get them. They are recommended by every doctor. But there's no law that requires you to get them. You might face social consequences and a restriction placed on your potentially sick kids from the greater public. But you can't like go to jail for not getting vaccinated. The CPS ain't gonna barge into your house and take your kids away. Though for some parents who just watch their kid die instead of taking them to the hospital I wish that was the case (not talking vaccines by the way. I'm talking about those people who pray instead of getting basic medicine. Pray all you want, but a little medicine is probably better to add in.) At least not where I live. Is that a thing where you are?
Touching base on Polio, a look at the history of it sheds light on the true story. What is commonly perceived and accepted with ignorance by the herd mentality of this generation. Educated baby boomers know this.
http://web.archive.org/web/20130522...pdates/archive/polio_and_cancer_factsheet.htm
http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB1027018131586612840
I'm on my phone right now. Do you mind if I come back to those when I have access to my laptop.
