Validity of Muhammad's message.

[Don Penguinoini]

no boy i ve answered almost all ur allegations in my posts....wat ur doing is going around in circles,ur taking me in circles,and ur going in circles too....

How can you say we are dumB when you cannot even spell the most simple of words?

 

[K.Venugopal]

damn antarctic beast...i thought of u as sensible.....i started this because it was the apeman tht pointed fingers at me.....too bad ull see me crushing ur religious(faulty) ideology near ur very own eyes.....

u really think the moderator can ban me forever,how many times will he ban me,he'll get tired at one point.......im gonna squish ur little mouth, u 2 and half fotted animal!!!!

the versus i quoted r frm ur original vedas...so dont lie......

when he say's abt ur god nagging 16000women and using viagra u can forgive him instantly, and when i say the truth, u label me a liar...u know why ur doing tht, because im a muslim and he's not.

ill cut ur 2 flappy fins and drown u inside ur own waters u biased rascist freak....

RF has some standards and they are educated folks and might not put up with it. But my own view is to allow language like Scomma's. I would simply call it colourful language. Maybe some social or psychological scientist would one day go through RF threads and analyse why at this point of time Muslims like Scomma are very frustrated. So I'd say save such responses for the benefit of research studies. We might get a clue to Muslim behaviour.

 

[Don Penguinoini]

Of course RF has some standards and they are educated folks and might not put up with it. But my own view is to allow language like Scomma's. I would simply call it colourful language. Maybe some social or psychological scientist would one day go through RF threads and analyse why at this point of time Muslims like Scomma are very frustrated. So I'd say save such responses for the benefit of research studies. We might get a clue to Muslim behaviour.

I dont take into account into what he says. I know muslims on a whole are good people. Can't let one person (or someting "colourful") taint a whole religion.

Whether he realises or not, i am actually human and live in a house with a family...

 

[MFaraz_Hayat]

So the question is, why did Mohammad kiss the black stone? Muslims do not know because Mohammad chose not to explain his action. Since almost everything else Mohammad did was considered in detail in the Hadidths, I wonder why this action was omitted, something that has become part of the Hajj pilgrimage?

Why no access? The Jews had come to India much before Mohammad’s time. India had trade links with ancient Greece and merchant routes passed through the Middle East. Alexander came toIndia after passing through Arabia and conquering Persia. Al Hind was well known in Arabia even before Mohammad. One hadidth has quoted Mohammad as saying, “Rich fragrance comes from Al Hind.” And another which says, “Go to China for knowledge.” Mohammad himself was much travelled in Arabia and even beyond Arabia. Mohammad may have been an illiterate man, but he was certainly not an ignorant man. If he could pick up ideas of circumcision and skull cap from the Jews, he could have picked up some Vedic ideas from travelers coming from India. Of course you will deny this because you maintain every word in the Quran came from Allah. Even if so, since a scholar like Dr.Zakir Naik is certain that Allah wrote the Vedas also, what is wrong in suggesting that Vedic ideas are in the Quran? After all both are Allah’s words.

Why could it not have been Hinduism? Hinduism is almost everything under the sun. Further, the Quraish was not the only tribe in Mecca. The Vedas were extant throughout the world long before Veda Vyas put it down in a book form. Dr. Zakir Naik says the Vedas had predicted the birth of Mohammad and about Mohammad meeting some King of India. Maybe Mohammad got some direct instruction on the Vedas from this King. Only a deeper study by Dr. Zakir Naik can clear doubts about this. Dr. Zakir Naik is a young man and has many more years of scholarship ahead of him. I am sure he will come up with great revelations on the link between Mohammad and the Vedas.

I am happy that you take this view – that of seeing commonality in all religions. In short, Quran is not unique – it is one of the many scriptures that the world has and will come to have in the future.

Well, Muhammad (P.B.U.H) kissed the black stone mainly because muslims believe that: it was sent from heaven to help Prophet Abraham (P.B.U.H). And it is kissed out of respect and not to worship it. If any muslim kisses black stone with intention of worshipping it, he is committing Shirk (a grave sin).
Anyways, Vedas and other hindu scriptures were non-existant in Arabia and the names of deities were Al-Lat etc. . Quite different from deities in Vedas.
I am not saying that Vedas are not word of God. They might be and the message of Quran and Vedas might be same but it is known that Muhammad didnot copy Quran from Vedas. If a thing delivers a message, and another thing later delivers the same message, it doesnot imply that the thing that came later has copied the message. It may be from the same source.
Muhammad didnot travel a lot out of Arabia. He only went to Syria when he was 12 years old.
And certainly, Quran as a revealed scripture is not unique as many had been revealed before it. However, all previous forms are seen as to be corrupted by Humans.

 

[K.Venugopal]

no boy i ve answered almost all ur allegations in my posts....wat ur doing is going around in circles,ur taking me in circles,and ur going in circles too....as far as falling frm heaven is concrned ..look up wikipedia in 'black stone'...it confirms tht the stone is alien from this planet and fell as a meteorite,so look before u leap...why?kiss it ,ive given explanation in my post

You have given an explanation why you would kiss the black stone. That still leaves the question, "Why did Mohammad kiss the black stone?" unanswered. The point is, Mohammad could specially consecrate a special stone (idol) in the just re-constructed House of Allah at Mecca originally built by Abraham and kiss it, while the idol worshippers were not allowed to worship their idols not just in Mecca but in all Arabia. Intolerant Mohammad bred an intolerant Islam.

 

[MFaraz_Hayat]

damn antarctic beast...i thought of u as sensible.....i started this because it was the apeman tht pointed fingers at me.....too bad ull see me crushing ur religious(faulty) ideology near ur very own eyes.....

u really think the moderator can ban me forever,how many times will he ban me,he'll get tired at one point.......im gonna squish ur little mouth, u 2 and half fotted animal!!!!

the versus i quoted r frm ur original vedas...so dont lie......

when he say's abt ur god nagging 16000women and using viagra u can forgive him instantly, and when i say the truth, u label me a liar...u know why ur doing tht, because im a muslim and he's not.

ill cut ur 2 flappy fins and drown u inside ur own waters u biased rascist freak....

As much as I appreciate your effort in trying to deliver message of Islam, I must say that your tone is certainly not right. Calling him "antarctic beast" , what have you become yourself? You may think that I am a fellow muslim and why am i Saying this.I am saying this because I am a muslim: Did Prophet ever talk to the unbelievers, in this manner? Did he scorn them? He tried to preach and then it was the choice of the individual, whether he accepted or not. I agree, these verses might be there in Vedas
but isn't it ultimately their choice whether to accept your facts? Even if someone would have seen some truth, he would regret believing in facts you have presented after using rude comments like " dumb Hindus". I am also trying to clarify doubts, but have not insulted anyone. I really do hope, that you would stop such comments and continue to strive in delivering truth without resorting to these "expressions".

 

[K.Venugopal]

As much as I appreciate your effort in trying to deliver message of Islam, I must say that your tone is certainly not right. Calling him "antarctic beast" , what have you become yourself? You may think that I am a fellow muslim and why am i Saying this.I am saying this because I am a muslim: Did Prophet ever talk to the unbelievers, in this manner? Did he scorn them? He tried to preach and then it was the choice of the individual, whether he accepted or not. I agree, these verses might be there in Vedas
but isn't it ultimately their choice whether to accept your facts? Even if someone would have seen some truth, he would regret believing in facts you have presented after using rude comments like " dumb Hindus". I am also trying to clarify doubts, but have not insulted anyone. I really do hope, that you would stop such comments and continue to strive in delivering truth without resorting to these "expressions".

Great going. That's the spirit. You are obviously a pious Muslim. But beware, or unruly Muslims will hijack your religion. Then it will be a war of unrulies from all religions. And, however fast Islam is growing, it is still a minority religion world-wide.

 

[K.Venugopal]

Well done MFaraz Hayat. A very reasonable and sincere reply. When we discuss with respect for each other, light and not heat occurs.

Well, Muhammad (P.B.U.H) kissed the black stone mainly because muslims believe that: it was sent from heaven to help Prophet Abraham (P.B.U.H). And it is kissed out of respect and not to worship it.

If Muslims believe that a stone could have helped Abraham and if Mohammad kissed the stone, the stone certainly has special powers. If this is so, then Mohammad should have been sympathetic to idol worshippers who believe that their stones too have some powers.

If any muslim kisses black stone with intention of worshipping it, he is committing Shirk (a grave sin).

Well, only Allah would know what a worshipper’s intention is.

Anyways, Vedas and other hindu scriptures were non-existant in Arabia and the names of deities were Al-Lat etc. . Quite different from deities in Vedas.

That Hindu scriptures or Hindus did not exist in Arabia cannot be a conclusive finding. Particularly as after Mohammad all idol-worshipping communities in the Arabian Peninsula were either destroyed or converted. To compound it, subsequent Muslim scholars labeled pre-Mohammad history of Arabia as the Age of Ignorance. Probably the on-going research into the history of the Pyramids and Egyptology might throw some light. One of the deities worshipped in Mecca was Ushas. This is Sanskrit for dawn. I suppose we have to leave it to the scholars to elucidate.

I am not saying that Vedas are not word of God. They might be and the message of Quran and Vedas might be same but it is known that Muhammad did not copy Quran from Vedas. If a thing delivers a message, and another thing later delivers the same message, it does not imply that the thing that came later has copied the message. It may be from the same source.

Well, for a moment it seemed it was copy work, reading Dr. Zakir Naik’s quoting both the Vedas and Quran with so many verses almost alike word for word. Let’s say great men think alike and the authors of the Vedas and Mohammad thought alike, at least on some matters.

Muhammad didnot travel a lot out of Arabia. He only went to Syria when he was 12 years old.And certainly, Quran as a revealed scripture is not unique as many had been revealed before it.

And “after it too”, I would add. Allah stopped talking only in Arabic since the Middle Ages. He has been talking in other languages since then. In the languages of the Sikh religion, the Baha’i religion, the Sai religion and many other religions.

However, all previous forms are seen as to be corrupted by Humans.

I do not think the Hindus believe that the Vedas have been corrupted or can be corrupted. I don’t think the Christians would agree that what they’ve got is the corrupted word of God in the Bible.

 

[Don Penguinoini]

guys guys everyone please..take a chill pill.....earlier i and kingkong were having a healthy discussion,later mr.icepenguino or watever tells me tht he feels disturbed of wat i qoute frm the vedas..
so i reply to mr.baldheadedpenguin,as 'brother' and 'i apologize to hurt ur feelings'
wat does tht baldhead do??he tells someone else abt me tht i should be banned and tht i have a 'bigmouth' and tht even in caps...

wat u expect me to do????kiss his shinning bald head???obviously no....
tht is why the argument has gone this far.....
and abt kinkkong..im sure he doesnt mind after all tht's the pic on his profile...
hayat,ur my brother in faith,agreed prophet didnt teach to refer people my such names,but please understand i didnt start this,penguino after attemting to isolate me is acting goody-goody with every1,he's a hypocritic penguin...

:biglaugh: Stop it! Your killing me!!!:biglaugh:

 

[wednesday]

So you're taking this book as law? I dont mean to disrespect Islam, but it is important to understand scripture not just to follow it because you believe in the religion. Also it is important to tolerate other religions and other perspectives as who knows if Mohammad was a idol?

 

[wednesday]

^ i don't believe he is a prophet, i believe he is a man, hence why i called him an Idol. He could be an Idol, he could be a flase Idol like Homer Simpson. Either way you cant prove it. You can prove Jesus existed but you cant prove his divinity, just like you can only speculate the worth of Islam as well as any other religion.
I am not an Indu thank you very much, but thanks for your 'kind' assumption. I reserve my religious beliefs to those who could comprehend them with criticizing me for it.

 

[wednesday]

I know what i believe, but to some people not believing in Mohammad is not acceptable so i just dont say it, plus a lot of people may be offended by what i think of modern religion.

Also influence is based on interpretation, Michael Hart may have believed he was the most influencial but i can guarantee millions will disagree with you. I guarantee millions will also tell you that his influence was detrimental to society. It based on opinion.

 

[wednesday]

^ I agree with that, Islam is a threat to the religious world as we know it and i knwo there is pressure on countries like Pakistan to become an "Islamic State" and such. Do you think this is wise and what kind of changes do they have to make to traditional Pakistan?

I dont believe everything i hear. I don't have a problem with Islam unless they pressure strongly diverse countries to become more "Islam friendly" or preach to us about it.

 

[Don Penguinoini]

^ i don't believe he is a prophet, i believe he is a man, hence why i called him an Idol. He could be an Idol, he could be a flase Idol like Homer Simpson. Either way you cant prove it. You can prove Jesus existed but you cant prove his divinity, just like you can only speculate the worth of Islam as well as any other religion.
I am not an Indu thank you very much, but thanks for your 'kind' assumption. I reserve my religious beliefs to those who could comprehend them with criticizing me for it.

He can't spell, he means Hindu, not Indu...

 

[England my lionheart]

first of all a prophet is also a man....now u say 'i believe he is a man' and u say 'idol'....
u made it look in a wrong sense....u meant an idol to follow or apprecite,it actually meant and idol to worship....anyways,well never mind....

u say 'idol' and then 'false idol' please be sure of ur facts before comparing righteous personalities to cartoon characters.....
also spare 3 seconds to google on 'most influential man in the world?' by renown michael hart...
to find 1.>prophet muhammed and no.3>jesus......
and tht result is solely based on existing/existed personalities oon not fictious,besides both muhammed and jesus have been historically approved to have existed.......
u reserve ur religious beleif frm those critizing u because u arent confident of ur on beleif,in tht case it is impossible to make progress....

Yes he has been influential and a good shepherd and you are one of his sheep baaa baaa

 

[MFaraz_Hayat]

Yes he has been influential and a good shepherd and you are one of his sheep baaa baaa

If by "sheep" you mean a follower then, by all means, I am.

 

[K.Venugopal]

now i told u dont run behind the bush......ur making me ask did krishna play war games on the computer????

With Krishna, you never know.

'free thoughts' will spread but not in terms of religion, in religion u don’t have options(not even in hinduism )..

Ha! Ha! Ha! – Great definition of Islam.

perhaps you are not updated with that report....ill brief u...that the women was called by some muslim representatives in sudan, she apologized and the matter was closed(without beheading her ).......after all that, she was reported to have said something like 'those muslims were amazing, i nerver realized that they will be so kind and cooperative'....i suggest u google and confirm

Look, I have always maintained that Muslims are as good or as bad as anyone else. Also, Quran can be a great spiritual tract or a narrow minded doctrine depending on how it’s interpreted. (Dito with all scriptures.) Unfortunately Quran and Muslims have been trapped between an “official” interpretation and a cleric class called Mullahs. Christianity too was once trapped that way. But Christians have freed themselves and Christianity with the acceptance of democracy and secularism. Muslims too are poised to go through this revolution of democracy and secularism. That is what this age is about. When that happens, Islam and Muslims would become equal members of a cooperative world civilization, along with believers and non-believers of all persuasion.

when???tht is entiely in ALLAH's will but he has given us the promise

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Inshallah!

so i could kill you, if your not perfect?????

For you perfection is being an abject slave of Allah. So have I got a choice?

krishna was righteous because he fought for rights,whether they were cousins or anyone else is immaterial...also if you do reject him, obviously what do you expect, u will go to hell.. also if you do believe in him and follow his message righteously ,as a believer, one has his place in heaven, in short, if there's hell there's also heaven

Congratulations! Now you are speaking like a Hindu.

also your own scripture confirms about hellfire:“May the bounteous fire divine, consume them with his fiercely glowing sharp jaws like flames, who disregard the commandments and steadfast laws of most venerable and sagacious Lord."(Rigveda 4:5:4)

Why should hellfire be spoken of as “bounteous fire divine?”. Obviously it means something other than the eternal suffering hellfire of Allah, unlike the onetime consummation spoken of in the Vedas, which believes in rebirth.

that's what the illogical sadhus have brainwashed ur heads [about rebirth] similar to christianity where the illogical preists, bishops,etc. have brainwashed the christians about trinity....stop listening to them,infact u read ur vedas,why do u fear reading ur vedas????

Talking about brainwashing, be assured that no one is as brainwashed as the Muslims vis-à-vis the Quran.

swami ramswarup is a blatant liar....here is quotation of 10/18/15::'i have heard of 2 several pathways way of gods,way of fathers, and way of mortals' the form of 2 as humans is modification by ur swami's,ur scripture says one of god and other of mortals..dont listen to them because ur own vedas confirm abt hell

Your quotation above is not clear. Can you please clarify what you mean?

the illogical concept of adam walking with god may be in the bible, it isnt there in the qur'an.

Here again you are saying that only what is in the Quran is true and what is in the Bible is wrong. You call the concept of Adam walking with God as illogical. Why? Only because it is not mentioned in the Quran? In the Quran there are verses which say that God spoke to people. Do you believe that?

he taught very obviously to eve or to his descendents. vizchildren.

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And made them Muslims?

exactly the talk of many gods had not come on because it was never true,but a fictitious imaginative creation of man tht originated later.

You cannot count God, can you? So saying there is only one god is illogical. Truth is, everything is God.

im glad u asked this question,lot of nonbeleivers have this misconception....now Allah did sent his message everytime,and preserving tht message was a responsibility given to man,here after man failed repeatedly...note:book did not fail at tht time, but man did fail in preserving the book..now look at god's perspective,naturally u may ask why did he send so many messages knowing men would fail to preserve them,and later send the qur'an..answer: god has sent his message for every community for every tribe at diff points of time(meant for only particular group of people and for tht time period only) but obviously there wasnt any 'globalisation' by man at those times for him to spread the message very fast....if u ask me true 'globalisation' began 1400yrs ago.......if u happen to know history,coincidentally the spread of human race frm continent to continent began some 1400 yrs ago also,here when man travels,he spreads the message,it makes sense to send qur'an as the final message........proof of qur'an not failing is given in the qur'an itself by god giving a promisehimself. "We have, without doubt, sent down the Message, and We will assuredly guard it [from corruption]" (Al-Hijr 15:9)

I agree with what you have said. This is one thing I am very impressed about Islam. Its claim that Allah protects the Quran appears to be true. All editions of the Quran are alike, not a comma changes. So I am not going to contest your claim on this. But unfortunately the Quran contains a very basic error and that is its teaching that it alone is the true religion. Since Allah is protecting the Quran, this teaching may remain in the Quran. But I am sure that as the world becomes more and more a global village, more and more Muslims will reject this teaching of the Quran. And once Muslims become exposed to the positive aspects of other religions, Quran will become just another scripture and it will not matter if not a single coma in it changes or not.

unfortunately ur scriptures dont have tht seal of confidence

The Vedas, for example, have survived for many thousands of years and this proves its seal of confidence is in-built. The Quran, after all, is less than 1,500 years old. The 2,000 years old Bible is also with us, with full seal of confidence of its adherents.

here u have mixed up christianity with islam...islam began with adam,

This is a big lie. Islam began with Mohammad. Just to claim legitimacy, Islam claims antiquity. And since Muslims say, “Don’t judge Islam by the activities of Muslims but only by the activities of Mohammad and his companions”, it would mean that Islam ended with the death of Mohammad and his companions. However, if it is meant that Adam was a Muslim even without there being a Quran, it only proves that the Quran is not essential for someone to become a Muslim. Would you agree to this?

 

[K.Venugopal]

jesus was servant of god......there is no record of jesus not saying prayers 5 times a day nor is there a record of him saying,so u cant say tht he 'didnt say 5 times prayers with specific posturing'........'not invented until muhammed' is ur assumption again because u dont have any record to either prove it or even disprove it.also there is absolutely no record of him going to arabia or not going to arabia...

If you claim that Jesus prayed 5 times a day Muslim style, you have to substantiate it with proof. In the absence of any prove, your claim is hollow. If you say there is no record either way, then what is the basis of your claim?

... why he was a muslim??i gave u tht answer in my earlier post....jesus never said i am son of god,atleast not in the qur'an.....

Just because he was not quoted as saying so in the Quran does not mean that he did not say so.

... tht is human satan work in the bible.....earlier the previous version of bible it had jesus saying 'i am the begotten son of god' .......when they heard muslims arguing tht how can u say'begotten' word as it is lowering god to animal functions of sex.....so in the new version they chopped of the word 'begotten' and wrote 'i am the son of god' and now they say they mean it spiritually.in short the bible is subjected to changes every now and then....and hence not reliable.

It is the Muslims’ obsession with proving that all scriptures are wrong except the Quran that makes them unable to see the various possibilities of expression. Bible itself says that the letter does not matter; only the spirit does. If newer generations of biblical scholars believe some changes in expressions called for to put forward the spirit of the Bible clearer to the newer generations, they are right in doing so. Islam does not allow this and hence we have Muslims trying to justify even the most anachronistic concepts like an eye for an eye and slaughtering of goats, camels etc during Eid in the holy place of Mecca. Islam makes Muslims incorrigible.

abt 'kill the disbeleivers' i gave u an elaborate explanation, now why behave like a stubborn child...tht verse is in war,u could imagine them standing in defense,while the pagans with their swords running towards them,and muhammed in the nick of time getting the revelation saying 'kill the disbeleivers'......

Does this mean many parts of the Quran are only valuable today as historical record and have no significance in today’s world? Or do they have the value of teaching some principles that are valid even today? What principle would you draw from the injunction “Kill the disbelievers”, for instance?

besides krishna also told argun to kill the cousins....

Ah, you keep forgetting - Krishna also gives rebirth. Allah unfortunately roasts eternally in hell.

jesus said abt slappong according to the bible not according to the qur'an..

Is it because the Quran did not approve of Jesus’ call for non-violence?

.according to the bible ill tell u wat jesus said also::
"For, I say unto you, that unto every one which hath shall be given, and from him that hath not, even that which he hath shall be taken away from him. But those, mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring them hither, and slay them before me." [Luke xix. 26, 27.] "Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels." [Matthew xxv. 41.does not mean jesus actually said all tht,did he???

What then, in your opinion, did Jesus actually mean?

but tht's according to the bible, hence all tht bible has is nonsense.

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Is this your conclusion – “all that the bible has is nonsense”? Is this the type of intolerance that Islam teaches?

it’s only tht all this is not advertised by them,so you don’t happen to know..whereas I read the qur’an,bible and about Vedas too,hence my advice please don’t be carried away by a herd instinct but rather read the scriptures to know the truth….

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Amazingly, my advice to you is also the same, “Don’t get carried away by a heard instinct”, think independently.

the injeel was misinterpreted and modified by the scribes,preists,and the crusaders(fortunately tht didnt happen for qur'an)...

Is there any proof outside the Quran that the “Injeel” existed?

dont give me the biblical concept....im trashing the biblical concepts in the topic " christians:the trintity,god head....."

You may not accept the Biblical concepts, but many do.

also ur degrading god by saying he had a son not me by saying jesus was a messenger....

God being God can do anything or have anything. How can you limit the capacity of God?

 

[wednesday]

The Vedas, for example, have survived for many thousands of years and this proves its seal of confidence is in-built. The Quran, after all, is less than 1,500 years old. The 2,000 years old Bible is also with us, with full seal of confidence of its adherents.

The bible has been written and rewritten many times has it not? Does that at all lessen its seal of confidence since misinterpretations are a given for sure?

 

[K.Venugopal]

if u beleive tht he was god's son..u beleive as bible to be as a true message of god???????in tht case why do u follow hinduism????

I don’t just believe that Jesus is God’s son or that all of us are God’s children - I believe that we are all God.

because bible does not say what ur hindu scriptures say,and neither does the bible confirm your mythological characters of hinduism.......

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Actually, all scriptures say the same thing, only it is expressed differently. This the Quran does not accept and has made Muslims believe that Islam is the only true religion.

well i could ask u the same question..im no scholar,but i take comparitive religion very seriously........important thing is book of god(or book's) cannot and should not contradict....in ur case ur vedas speaking of no images of god and ur bhagwad gita contradict...important question is here how do the book's of god(according to u) contradict?????

Again, there is no contradiction; there are only varieties of expressions that uneducated people think account for contradictions.

hindus beleive tht ,but ur scripture doesnt say so????

This is also one thing the people of THE BOOK do not understand. It is not necessary that our believes be based only on scriptures. Our believes can be based on our experiences also.

u say ur children of god because everytime u want something frm him,ur basically saying ur 'greedy'...

There is no greediness about discovering that our true nature is divine.

we say we r slaves because we r 'humble' we say we r ready to do anythng for expressing the glory of god and expect nothing,tht wat a slave-master relationship is like........

It is egoistic to assume you can do anything for God. A God who requires something is no God at all.

the question of time is not always important remember, it's about the authenticity in a way knowing whether a particular scripture was maligned by human hand or not????for example even if a book is the oldest on the planet how reliable is it if is maligned by man and words of god dont exist in tht book anymore????tht's important

We can also see clearly that Quran has been “maligned” because it contains verses like “Kill the disbelievers” which inspired Mohammad to kill all idol worshippers or convert them. Do you think God could have been so narrow-minded? If you still insist that Quran is intact as Allah’s words, I can only say that Allah is not God.

...whether vedas were maligned or not we may never know...

That is, you will never have proof that Vedas were maligned. That being so, you can accept that Vedas are the unmaligned word of God.

but qur'an indeed there is proof to show tht the message was never corrupted.."We have, without doubt, sent down the Message, and We will

assuredly guard it [from corruption]" (quran Al-Hijr 15:9)

This is one verse from the Quran. But I say that verses like “Kill the disbelievers” are not God’s word. Why would Allah want to ask anyone to kill? Allah can do the job himself, can’t he? Just this common-sense approach proves that some verses in the Quran are not Allah’s words.

i never said it's abt time...but if u agree, then u should follow wat adam preached i.e.monotheism and no images of god as he is the oldest u could to get too...

Have you got any proof that Adam preached at all, let alone preach monotheism?

also i said which more holy to follow?? refering to the one written by..ie.bhagawad gita written by devotee of another devotee of krishna tht even 1000's of yrs after krishna and vedas written by well the originator of vedas....

Muslims have been forced to follow the Quran, which has turned them into slaves of Allah. But Hindu culture gives everyone freedom to follow whatever scriptures they please or follow no scriptures at all. Being spiritual without a scripture is a concept that people of THE BOOK might not understand.

indeed im sure it wasnt copying...because in monotheism both vedas and qur'an match,but not in everythng.....

I did not say that everything was copied. The idea of there being one God was copied. But there are bigger ideas in the Vedas than this, which, unfortunately, was not copied. If it was copied, the Quran would not have become the source of much religious intolerance.