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Vance opines on a grim 'Fact of Life' in the wake of the Georgia shootings

mikkel_the_dane

My own religion
You seriously need to get an education on world affairs and you have no idea what you're talking about.


Denmark is in the top 5 higher than the USA in your study.
Here is another statics - List of countries by intentional homicide rate - Wikipedia
Here are the violent death rate as per intentional homicide counts, and victims per 100,000 inhabitants for Denmark 0.986 and the USA 6.383.
So please explain how Denmark is 6 time lower than the USA for intentional homicide counts, and victims and yet Denmark have less empathy.
 

Kathryn

It was on fire when I laid down on it.
That's a lot.

" This year, there have been over 200 school shootings in the U.S, regardless of how many were shot or killed. Click or hover on a circle see more details about each incident."



Same goes for my sister and I.

But I know why I'm "mentally ill." I was sexually assaulted at a young age and developed PTSD and panic disorder, though I wasn't fully aware of this until just a couple of years ago. My sister and I grew up in the same household, but I was sexually abused (in a different household) and she wasn't. So we went different ways on that.

You guys still have waaaaay more mass shootings than most any other developed country on earth.
Something is wrong.
Oh I agree that something is wrong. Personally I think it's that we are awash in guns but that's just me.
 

PureX

Veteran Member
I was watching a documentary about a road rage shooting that killed a young mother in front of her two small children and her niece while she was driving them home from the store.

The man that shot her was exactly as we have all come to expect. Mid 20s, partly employed as handyman, living at home with his dad, driving a car his dad owned because he couldn't get a car loan for himself, dismissed from the military after basic training for unknown reasons, unmarried, no girl friends, and owned a half dozen guns. One of which he kept loaded in a holster attached to the right side of the driver's seat of the car he drove.

Why does this man have a gun? Why does he have a loaded gun right next to him while he's driving? There is no reason I can think of why this should be allowed. And there are many reasons I can think of why it should not be allowed. And his actions completely verified the reasoning that he should not have been allowed to have any guns, and especially not a loaded gun next to him while he was driving.

Yet where he lived (Georgia) there were no regulations against ANY of these factors.

The man himself had no idea why he pulled his gun out and shot that young mother to death. He tried to claim it was some sort of automatic response (from his military training) to the fact that the niece in the passenger seat of the woman's car threw water at him because he was tailgating them and shouting at them for going too slow. But this was all BS. A young girl threw water at his car so he pulled out that gun that he had right at the ready and shot the woman driving, to death. Then he sped off and packed his stuff and went on the run. He was caught by his own cell phone many states away. Still trying to claim his BS military training story.

The fact is that this woman is dead because the state of Georgia lets any idiot that thinks he wants a gun to have one. And as a result some of these idiots will use them in the heat of the moment without ever even knowing why.

But the real reason why it happened is because the gun was there, and because the man is an idiot that should never have been allowed to have a gun, or to own a gun, or even to be in easy reach of someone else's gun. He had no need of it. No reasonable use for it. And the fact that he kept it loaded net to him in his vehicle proves that he should never have been allowed to own it in the first place, because he's clearly not responsible enough to be trusted with one.

The biggest indicator that a person should never be allowed to possess a firearm is their desire to do so. The more they want it, the more surely they should be stopped from ever having one. And the biggest indicator that a person should be allowed to posses a firearm is their reluctant necessity coupled with their willingness to learn how and when to use it correctly, proficiently, and safely.

If we would design our firearm regulations around this simple axiom, we would save many, many American lives every year thereafter.
 
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metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
See Post #71 above

Do what the Brits & French did after WWII when their homicide rate went up significantly: limit right to carry and have penalties of up to 10 years on illegal possession. Obviously, the Pub Party and the NRA don't care how many children and other civilians are killed each year. For them, it's all about $ and power.

How about you, as I see no compassion whatsoever for those innocents slaughtered each year?
 

amorphous_constellation

Well-Known Member
I was watching a documentary about a road rage shooting that killed a young mother in front of her two small children and her niece while she was driving them home from the store.

The man that shot her was exactly as we have all come to expect. Mid 20s, partly employed as handyman, living at home with his dad, driving a car his dad owned because he couldn't get a car loan for himself, dismissed from the military after basic training for unknown reasons, unmarried, no girl friends, and owned a half dozen guns. One of which he kept loaded in a holster attached to the right side of the driver's seat of the car he drove.

Why does this man have a gun? Why does he have a loaded gun right next to him while he's driving? There is no reason I can think of why this should be allowed. And there are many reasons I can think of why it should not be allowed. And his actions completely verified the reasoning that he should not have been allowed to have any guns, and especially not a loaded gun next to him while he was driving.

Yet where he lived (Georgia) there were no regulations against ANY of these factors.

The man himself had no idea why he pulled his gun out and shot that young mother to death. He tried to claim it was some sort of automatic response (from his military training) to the fact that the niece in the passenger seat of the woman's car threw water at him because he was tailgating them and shouting at them for going too slow. But this was all BS. A young girl threw water at his car so he pulled out that gun that he had right at the ready and shot the woman driving, to death. Then he sped off and packed his stuff and went on the run. He was caught by his own cell phone many states away. Still trying to claim his BS military training story.

The fact is that this woman is dead because the state of Georgia lets any idiot that thinks he wants a gun to have one. And as a result some of these idiots will use them in the heat of the moment without ever even knowing why.

But the real reason why it happened is because the gun was there, and because the man is an idiot that should never have been allowed to have a gun, or to own a gun, or even to be in easy reach of someone else's gun. He had no need of it. No reasonable use for it. And the fact that he kept it loaded net to him in his vehicle proves that he should never have been allowed to own it in the first place, because he's clearly not responsible enough to be trusted with one.

The biggest indicator that a person should never be allowed to possess a firearm is their desire to do so. The more they want it, the more surely they should be stopped from ever having one. And the biggest indicator that a person should be allowed to posses a firearm is their reluctant necessity coupled with their willingness to learn how and when to use it correctly, proficiently, and safely.

If we would design our firearm regulations around this simple axiom, we would save many, many American lives every year thereafter.
I think there was also a case not long ago where a policeman shot a woman who threatened to throw boiling water at him , I think in that case, both the policeman and the woman had a problem with their socialization or mental control, to try to put it generally or simply

I don't think calling the guy an idiot is useful, as I think your attitude about what happened seems dismissive of that fact human agency can probably undergo degradation over a long span of time, and so the 'idiot' that we see performing the anti-social behavior seems to come into existence at the back-end of many experienced events. You are after all describing someone who ostensibly would have spent years experiencing the failure / or rejection of the ability to be fully useful to the greater society

But all of this is complicated by the fact that I think there are people who do have the agency to be useful, in spite of facing hard issues. For example, I think that maybe John Lennon was full of rage most of the time, but I don't think he would have done anything like this guy did.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
School age youth were no where near as psychopathic as they are now , and the problem is what instilled and triggered that psychopathic state.
Once again, they aren't psychopaths and most serial killers were born between the 50s and 60s.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Psychopaths are made. Nobody is born a psychopath. There aren't little psychopath babies running around.
Actually to our best knowledge you must be born with the genetic capacity for it. No, it doesn't always lead do it, but psychopath/sociopath aren't even clinical diagnoses and we know human psychology just isn't nature "vs" nurture (or, rather "born as/made" with the disorders that make what is commonly called a psychopath) but rather its an intricate web of both genetics amd environment that shape a person.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
You seriously need to get an education on world affairs and you have no idea what you're talking about.

That is a **** article. No way around it. Impairments in empathy DO NOT inherently mean psychopath. And having less empathy than normal likewise is not grounds for calling someone a psychopath.
 

Pogo

Well-Known Member
That is a **** article. No way around it. Impairments in empathy DO NOT inherently mean psychopath. And having less empathy than normal likewise is not grounds for calling someone a psychopath.
Lack of empathy makes one a psychopath. Who do we know that could qualify on those grounds?
 

PureX

Veteran Member
By "i
I think there was also a case not long ago where a policeman shot a woman who threatened to throw boiling water at him , I think in that case, both the policeman and the woman had a problem with their socialization or mental control, to try to put it generally or simply

I don't think calling the guy an idiot is useful, as I think your attitude about what happened seems dismissive of that fact human agency can probably undergo degradation over a long span of time, and so the 'idiot' that we see performing the anti-social behavior seems to come into existence at the back-end of many experienced events. You are after all describing someone who ostensibly would have spent years experiencing the failure / or rejection of the ability to be fully useful to the greater society

But all of this is complicated by the fact that I think there are people who do have the agency to be useful, in spite of facing hard issues. For example, I think that maybe John Lennon was full of rage most of the time, but I don't think he would have done anything like this guy did.
By "idiot", I mean someone that's so stupid that he would buy guns and keep them all around him, loaded and at the ready, and yet never bother to wonder why he's doing it, or if it's a good or bad idea for him to do. He set himself up to murder some innocent person, exactly as he did, and he never even bothered to ask himself why he was setting himself up for it. Then, when he finally followed through, he still was too stupid to see that he set himself up for it, and tried to blame in on some military training that he never had.

Clearly he was gun obsessed. As are so many failing men in this culture. And it never occurred to him to ask himself why he was obsessed with firearms, or if he should be indulging in this absurd obsession. And the many idiots in business and politics that enabled this idiot's obsession with firearms are just as stupid and innately malicious as he is.
 
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amorphous_constellation

Well-Known Member
By "i

By "idiot", I mean someone that's so stupid that he would buy guns and keep them all around him, loaded and at the ready, and yet never bother to wonder why he's doing it, or if it's a good or bad idea for him to do. He set himself up to murder some innocent person, exactly as he did, and he never even bothered to ask himself why he was setting himself up for it. Then, when he finally followed through, he still was too stupid to see that he set himself up for it, and tried to blame in on some military training that he never had.

Clearly he was gun obsessed. As are so many failing men in this culture. And it never occurred to him to ask himself why he was obsessed with firearms, or if he should be indulging in this absurd obsession. And the many idiots in business and politics that enabled this idiot's obsession with firearms are just as stupid and innately malicious as he is.
Alright, I mean the guy was an idiot, in the topical sense, but I guess what I meant is that a snapshot judgement probably isn't entirely accurate, if we consider that mentally / socially under the hood of the perpetrator, there was potentially something complicated that happened. And I don't know what that is exactly, but one might assume that it might have built up for a while
 

PureX

Veteran Member
Alright, I mean the guy was an idiot, in the topical sense, but I guess what I meant is that a snapshot judgement probably isn't entirely accurate, if we consider that mentally / socially under the hood of the perpetrator, there was potentially something complicated that happened. And I don't know what that is exactly, but one might assume that it might have built up for a while
The accuracy of this particular snapshot isn't important. What is important is it's distressing similarity to so many other needless, senseless, murders that occur on a daily basis in this country because so many of us in this culture (nearly all failing men) are obsessed idiots when it comes to firearms.

Anyone with a functioning brain could have seen this coming a mile away. Including the killer, the gun sellers, the politicos, and his own family. But they just blindly ignored it every step of the way and then acted shocked when he finally murdered some innocent mother in front of her small children. An action he was setting himself up for and moving towards, for years. With the help of a whole group of idiots that are as blind and stupid as he is.
 

Kathryn

It was on fire when I laid down on it.
The accuracy of this particular snapshot isn't important. What is important is it's distressing similarity to so many other needless, senseless, murders that occur on a daily basis in this country because so many of us in this culture (nearly all failing men) are obsessed idiots when it comes to firearms.

Anyone with a functioning brain could have seen this coming a mile away. Including the killer, the gun sellers, the politicos, and his own family. But they just blindly ignored it every step of the way and then acted shocked when he finally murdered some innocent mother in front of her small children. An action he was setting himself up for and moving towards, for years. With the help of a whole group of idiots that are as blind and stupid as he is.
TRUE STORY TIME!

I have no idea why but once we lived near a gun range and it was always, always full of men. I swear, if a single woman wanted to meet a single man, that was the place to go. Anyway, my daughter and I once went to the range with my husband and HER husband and we sat in the car and talked about how to make wreaths while they shot away.
 

SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
Actually to our best knowledge you must be born with the genetic capacity for it. No, it doesn't always lead do it, but psychopath/sociopath aren't even clinical diagnoses and we know human psychology just isn't nature "vs" nurture (or, rather "born as/made" with the disorders that make what is commonly called a psychopath) but rather its an intricate web of both genetics amd environment that shape a person.
I explained it better in a later post,, I think. :)
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Lack of empathy makes one a psychopath. Who do we know that could qualify on those grounds?
Two issues with that.
One is the article did not make a claim of no empathy but less empathy. This in no way can mean psychothy as this would mean most men are psychopaths as they typically are not as empathetic as women.
Two even psychopaths can feel empathy (though it tends to be very restricted and very limited in who they feel for). This is why I said "impaired empathy." Which again does not inherently mean psychopath as empathy also tends to be impaired in certain ways in autism (like difficulty putting oneself in the shoes of another).
Who do we know? I've known some people properly assessed by a clinician. Other than that most people here have read I have very strong feelings against playing armchair shrink.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Whatever you say. Thank you.
And yet you keep claiming kids today are more psychopathic than in times past yet the link you posted does not support that amd your claim does not stand when we consider most serial killers were born during the 50s and 60s, with the worst mostly coming from the 40s.
 

crossfire

LHP Mercuræn Feminist Heretic Bully ☿
Premium Member
The map already tells you that information that we are not the only country with a high rate of psychopathy within each respective borders. I think you would also be interested in knowing that democrat-controlled states have the most psychopaths in our nation.

Does not correlate to death rate from firearms at all.
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