Various religious views on evolution

[syo]

Can you be a little detailed? I mean then how did humans come about, according to paganism? But if that's too deep, then forget it.

Combination of the chemical elements. It's that simple. Everything is simply a combination.

 

[syo]

OK, so then how did monkeys come about, according to paganism, of course.

Monkeys came from combination of elements we find at the periodic table.

 

[YoursTrue]

First of all, it only contradicts a LITERAL interpretation of the Bible. Lots of people view Genesis and the creation account as metaphorical, and there are plenty of Christians who have no problem with evolution.

Secondly, if you want to learn how the Earth came about, are you going to go to a book, or are you going to look at the Earth itself? Reality can't be wrong, you know. If you want to know what reality is, you should look at reality. And if reality and an old book say different things, then reject the book, because you sure can't reject reality.

Look, there are plenty of people calling themselves Christian who believe in killing others in war that their homeland country tells them to in order to protect themselves, right? The theory of evolution ala Darwinism has shifted in many areas -- changing what came before -- thus reject the theory? Let me add something else to the mix -- mankind has produced many different religions. Have gorillas? Have birds?

 

[YoursTrue]

Combination of the chemical elements. It's that simple. Everything is simply a combination.

So the elements combining to the various entities are not new. Unfortunately that's not making too much sense, although I agree that the Bible says Adam was made from the SOIL. (the soil was not new...) But now -- he was not made alive until -- God breathed into his nostrils. His body was there, not -- his being until God breathed into his nostrils. More maybe about this later, I can't stay now.

 

[YoursTrue]

Monkeys came from combination of elements we find at the periodic table.

ok, maybe we can discuss this later because for one thing, I don't think scientists have attempted to put the elements together to make a monkey, do you? (later...)

 

[syo]

I don't think scientists have attempted to put the elements together to make a monkey,

They can't do that. They can only change what's already in front of them.

 

[YoursTrue]

They can't do that. They can only change what's already in front of them.

the elements are not in front of them ready to be combined right? Never mind, new or not, whatever the pagan theory is making less sense than evolution of the Darwinian kind--...

 

[YoursTrue]

Evolution speaks of new species. Nothing is ''new'' in paganism.

Can you explain that to @Tiberius in a way he might understand?

 

[YoursTrue]

Combination of the chemical elements. It's that simple. Everything is simply a combination.

Evidently so, but the question is: how did they get combined? By magic?

 

[Tiberius]

You and others can say what you like about my understanding of evolution or lack of it. It does not change the fact that there must be an intelligent force behind life in the forms it is apparent in. That's what I see. We (you and I) see things differently.

Since you do not understand evolution, your claims of how it must work can not be taken as accurate.

It's no different than someone who does not understand aerodynamics saying there's no way a plane's wings can keep it in the air, therefore planes must be magical. Such a person, due to their lack of aerodynamic understanding, can not comprehend the real forces at work, and so they invent something fanciful.

Likewise, since you have no understanding of evolution, you are unable to comprehend what is going on, and thus you too must invent the fanciful notion that there MUST BE some intelligent force behind it all.

 

[Tiberius]

Look, there are plenty of people calling themselves Christian who believe in killing others in war that their homeland country tells them to in order to protect themselves, right? The theory of evolution ala Darwinism has shifted in many areas -- changing what came before -- thus reject the theory? Let me add something else to the mix -- mankind has produced many different religions. Have gorillas? Have birds?

Why do you think that any of that has anything to do with evolution?

Evolution deals with one thing and one thing only - the way the genetic make up of organisms changes over a long period of time in response to different selective pressures.

Once again you advertise the fact that you simply don't know what you are talking about.

 

[syo]

Evidently so, but the question is: how did they get combined? By magic?

The word ''magic'' is a tricky one. I think, the elements are conscious and they respond.

 

[Truth in love]

So if you're a Catholic, Protestant, Jew, Hindu, Muslim, or of another religious belief, what does your religion teach about evolution.

Not much except that we are not here by accident. God is the creator. The finer details of how and why we have minimal detail.

 

[YoursTrue]

Why do you think that any of that has anything to do with evolution?

Evolution deals with one thing and one thing only - the way the genetic make up of organisms changes over a long period of time in response to different selective pressures.

Once again you advertise the fact that you simply don't know what you are talking about.

Many have said that thinking ability evolved. Maybe I'm not using the scientific ways of expressing it, but again -- and I'm sure you will continually put me down because you are so erudite while I am, in your opinion, way below you--there is a gap both in physical appearance and brain function among mankind's "closest relatives," gorillas, bonobos. and humans. So -- have a nice day -- hope it's not too hot in your neck of the woods, many parts of Europe are burning up -- Matthew chapter 24 says it all. Again -- have a nice day. Oh, and yes. I used to believe in evolution until I began realizing life forms just could not have come about without a superior, INTELLIGENT (not chance) force promoting them. Again -- have a nice day/evening, whatever it is in your fantastic neck of the woods.

 

[Tiberius]

Many have said that thinking ability evolved. Maybe I'm not using the scientific ways of expressing it, but again -- and I'm sure you will continually put me down because you are so erudite while I am, in your opinion, way below you--there is a gap both in physical appearance and brain function among mankind's "closest relatives," gorillas, bonobos. and humans. So -- have a nice day -- hope it's not too hot in your neck of the woods, many parts of Europe are burning up -- Matthew chapter 24 says it all. Again -- have a nice day. Oh, and yes. I used to believe in evolution until I began realizing life forms just could not have come about without a superior, INTELLIGENT (not chance) force promoting them. Again -- have a nice day/evening, whatever it is in your fantastic neck of the woods.

Thinking ability would have evolved the same way as any other trait. Those individuals with the genes that gave them better abstract thinking experienced a slight benefit and those that didn't had a slight disadvantage. There is no need to invoke some superior force.

After all, if there really was a superior force running it all, why would they start with primitive life forms and make them evolve to the more advanced life forms? Why not just start with the finished product?

 

[YoursTrue]

Not much except that we are not here by accident. God is the creator. The finer details of how and why we have minimal detail.

From what I now understand, taking it down to the primary elements such as cellular structure as well as spontaneous evolving to another form, I am finding that even scientists don't really know. They conjecture.

 

[YoursTrue]

Thinking ability would have evolved the same way as any other trait. Those individuals with the genes that gave them better abstract thinking experienced a slight benefit and those that didn't had a slight disadvantage. There is no need to invoke some superior force.

After all, if there really was a superior force running it all, why would they start with primitive life forms and make them evolve to the more advanced life forms? Why not just start with the finished product?

However things started is not truly the point. The difference of intelligence and instinct among forms is incontrovertible. I now will say that your above paragraph is absolutely ridiculous as well as bordering on sci-fi. I worked for a publishing company with sci-fi writers as well as science writers, I am aware in my younger days of the personality. They, for the most part, wrote FICTION. Unfortunately for you, you're making things up. Now go ahead -- tell me how stupid, or uninformed I am. That's what I like about evolutionists -- some of them, similar to you, make things up. Bye for now. No proof. No nothing. You're gonna keep saying it -- but -- there's nothing to show for the truthfulness of the theory in essence. Bye again. I suggest you keep thinking about it. Nothing to prove it. Nothing for real other than things like leaves growing, etc. and etc.

 

[Truth in love]

From what I now understand, taking it down to the primary elements such as cellular structure as well as spontaneous evolving to another form, I am finding that even scientists don't really know. They conjecture.

To a very large degree. I love the science method, but I'm often disappointed in how much is invented and best guessed

 

[YoursTrue]

To a very large degree. I love the science method, but I'm often disappointed in how much is invented and best guessed

Yes, and that is what I see the more I investigate the conclusions or conjectures of the scientists and claimants here who promote evolution as how it all came about. Since NO ONE can currently figure it out, there are certainly deep dark holes in the theory. I mean really deep. Because no matter what anyone wants to promote, there is NO PROOF. Period. The fossil or dating data is not proof of evolution. Just as I have been explaining to someone who keeps calling me stupid (in essence), as if he knows and I'm dumb, because again -- the suggestion is that somehow mankind evolved to a different level of consciousness than, uh, shall we say, gorillas and bonobos. I'm silently laughing within but it's ridiculous and sad for various reasons. Even though I understand the theory. By that I mean I can guess how someone would come up with that theory. I used to believe it, I longer do.

 

[Tiberius]

However things started is not truly the point. The difference of intelligence and instinct among forms is incontrovertible. I now will say that your above paragraph is absolutely ridiculous as well as bordering on sci-fi. I worked for a publishing company with sci-fi writers as well as science writers, I am aware in my younger days of the personality. They, for the most part, wrote FICTION. Unfortunately for you, you're making things up. Now go ahead -- tell me how stupid, or uninformed I am. That's what I like about evolutionists -- some of them, similar to you, make things up. Bye for now. No proof. No nothing. You're gonna keep saying it -- but -- there's nothing to show for the truthfulness of the theory in essence. Bye again. I suggest you keep thinking about it. Nothing to prove it. Nothing for real other than things like leaves growing, etc. and etc.

Why are you complaining to me about it? You're the one who started it by claiming that there MUST be some intelligent entity controlling things.