Verifiable evidence for creationism?

[Shad]

So you admit Lucy was another fake. Or else explain why Lucy had to walk when it was doing fine climbing trees and swinging from them. If bipedalism was the key to survival, then why continue to climb and swing? And bipedalism for humans is relatively slow mode of transportation and not conducive for distances like going to the supermarket.

Another day. Another contradiction in the world of evolution.

I remember reading this when studying evolution -- Fossil Hominids, Human Evolution: Thomas Huxley & Eugene Dubois so this explains *your* ignorance.

The chimpanzee-like-apes still exist and haven't changed from what they were. We also have the renowned professor who put together Lucy claim apes came from humans.

Professor: Man Did Not Evolve From Chimpanzee-like Apes
Professor: Man Did Not Evolve From Chimpanzee-like Apes | Kent State University

You should actually read what you link and his research since it demolitions your own post. Hilarious.

 

[Monk Of Reason]

A live science article is casual reading. Not good enough nor complete. More fodder for atheists to support their beliefs.

You want studies? I can link you studies. But lets see if your own links actually hold up to your own scrutiny.

Here are some I looked at while investigating NDE.

University of Southampton in UK had most studies. It's a good place to start
World's largest near death experiences study | University of Southampton

States that the experiences are braoder and more varied than originally assumed. This means that not everyone has the same near death experience which hurts the claim that it is a universal experience. Then moreover they do not support the idea of NDE being spiritual in the slightest. This is purely the study of NDE from a scientific side. Nothing on here supports anything supernatural.

Sam Parnia Univ. of Southampton
Are near-death experiences real? New study investigates

This is an opinion article refrencing your first link. The only thing remotely spiritual is the last bit where a small fraction of the small fraction of people who actually even had visual experiences stated having similar experiences as to what actually happened. Any actual validation of out of body experiences have remained unverified. Even with this massive study nothing showed up out of the range of error.

Melvin Morse
Dr. Melvin Morse's Near-Death Experience Research

Don't know why I can't load this link. So I can't respond to this one specifically.

Mike Pettigrew
The Institute for Afterlife Research - Dutch Study

This has been famously refuted. The core to the study's argument about consciousness after death is that the EEG goes flat after death. This does not mean that brain activity stops. A brain has around 7 minutes of activity before the cells begin to die and no longer work. This is why there is typically a 10 minute window before significant brain damage. Just the facts from the study is useful and sometimes even referenced in other studies but nonlocal consciousness has not been evidenced here.

Stanford University associate professor
http://news.stanford.edu/news/2012/october/near-death-experience-103012.html

This is a sales pitch for a potential class and research project. There are no evidences or even studies done yet. If and when the study goes through we can look at the results.

Then I went to the NDE websites.
IANDS - the most reliable source of information on NDEs

This is a pitiful website. Its sales and marketing. There is zero research being done. It is an ins titution and research name only. They have a store in which they sell catchy titles. When I clicked on the research tab it has no original research but simply links to other people's research. Lo and behold the very first one on their research list is the guy from your first link who is commonly misquoted about out of body experiences when his study says nothing spiritual or supernatural.

Near-Death Experiences and the Afterlife

This is another article for some reason I cannot load.

Characteristics of Near-Death Experiences Memories as Compared to Real and Imagined Events Memories

Actual research groups cited. Massive amounts of data. 10/10 good site. Does not mention the supernatural.

Kevin Williams. This guy has changed his website. Before it was a collection of people's NDE. He's had an ephiphany.
About Kevin Williams and This Website

Cannot read this one either.

I looked at opposing liberal views, too.

First off there is no conservative or liberal view to this. There are only the facts. If anything the "liberal" view would be your view. But lest see.

Reddit
Near Death Experience • /r/NDE

This made me laugh so much. Reddit? Granted its a great news source to be totally honest but really that is where you went?
Either way I checked it out and its nothing but a bunch of anecdotal experiences or book reviews. I didn't see anything in the way of evidence.

HuffPo
Near Death Experiences

Quora
What happens to human consciousness after death? - Quora

Both of these are pop news websites. They aren't scientific studies. BUT they could be reporting on actual studies. I didnt' see anything in the frist link since it was just a list of articles when searched NDE but nothing came up. I looked at the first one and it was a guy selling a book about proving religion with philosphy. Pretty normal bunk stuff.

The second link is to a specific article where some guy came up with some uncited statistics about children who claim to have lived a past life. Its 100% speculation with nothing grounding his theory. Its not even a theory.

Consciousness and Neurology
Psychology Today
The Neurology Of Near-Death Experiences

This is an article that is going point by point refuting the supernatural argumetn for NDE and explaining the natural and known biological explanations for the phenomenons.

Doctors define consciousness
Disorders of Consciousness: Brain Death, Coma, and the Vegetative and Minimally Conscious States

Very nice article talking about the actual definition of sonsciousness from a medical perspective. It does not however fall in line with your stated views.

And you're wrong about the Resurrection. It has been proven by historical documentation. Again, atheists are usually wrong.

LMGTFY

Final answer is the Bible which you haven't read. It's the best selling non-fiction book in the world. And I doubt you'll read any of the links in depth above.

So, I think we're done ha ha.

Unfortunatly not a single shred of evidence, much less smoking gun proof, was found on that search. Link me to something specific. I have yet to see it . If its legetimate I'll convert to christianity right now.

 

[Guy Threepwood]

I was posting in order to talk about it more. We have different ideas of what the prophets said. One gal I talk to often thinks The Rapture will be coming soon. I don't think about those things, but think the end is still far away. Not in our lifetimes while she thinks it is.

She might be right!

Spectacular collision of suns will create new star in night sky in 2022
Telegraph.co.uk-Jan 6, 2017
It is the first time scientists have ever predicted the birth of a new star and ... This case is unusual in how close the star is and hence how bright ...

 

[james bond]

You want studies? I can link you studies. But lets see if your own links actually hold up to your own scrutiny.

States that the experiences are braoder and more varied than originally assumed. This means that not everyone has the same near death experience which hurts the claim that it is a universal experience. Then moreover they do not support the idea of NDE being spiritual in the slightest. This is purely the study of NDE from a scientific side. Nothing on here supports anything supernatural.

This is an opinion article refrencing your first link. The only thing remotely spiritual is the last bit where a small fraction of the small fraction of people who actually even had visual experiences stated having similar experiences as to what actually happened. Any actual validation of out of body experiences have remained unverified. Even with this massive study nothing showed up out of the range of error.

Don't know why I can't load this link. So I can't respond to this one specifically.


This has been famously refuted. The core to the study's argument about consciousness after death is that the EEG goes flat after death. This does not mean that brain activity stops. A brain has around 7 minutes of activity before the cells begin to die and no longer work. This is why there is typically a 10 minute window before significant brain damage. Just the facts from the study is useful and sometimes even referenced in other studies but nonlocal consciousness has not been evidenced here.

This is a sales pitch for a potential class and research project. There are no evidences or even studies done yet. If and when the study goes through we can look at the results.

This is a pitiful website. Its sales and marketing. There is zero research being done. It is an ins titution and research name only. They have a store in which they sell catchy titles. When I clicked on the research tab it has no original research but simply links to other people's research. Lo and behold the very first one on their research list is the guy from your first link who is commonly misquoted about out of body experiences when his study says nothing spiritual or supernatural.

This is another article for some reason I cannot load.

Actual research groups cited. Massive amounts of data. 10/10 good site. Does not mention the supernatural.

Cannot read this one either.

First off there is no conservative or liberal view to this. There are only the facts. If anything the "liberal" view would be your view. But lest see.

This made me laugh so much. Reddit? Granted its a great news source to be totally honest but really that is where you went?
Either way I checked it out and its nothing but a bunch of anecdotal experiences or book reviews. I didn't see anything in the way of evidence.

Both of these are pop news websites. They aren't scientific studies. BUT they could be reporting on actual studies. I didnt' see anything in the frist link since it was just a list of articles when searched NDE but nothing came up. I looked at the first one and it was a guy selling a book about proving religion with philosphy. Pretty normal bunk stuff.

The second link is to a specific article where some guy came up with some uncited statistics about children who claim to have lived a past life. Its 100% speculation with nothing grounding his theory. Its not even a theory.

This is an article that is going point by point refuting the supernatural argumetn for NDE and explaining the natural and known biological explanations for the phenomenons.

Very nice article talking about the actual definition of sonsciousness from a medical perspective. It does not however fall in line with your stated views.

Unfortunatly not a single shred of evidence, much less smoking gun proof, was found on that search. Link me to something specific. I have yet to see it . If its legetimate I'll convert to christianity right now.

A few responses to your statements. Instead of trying to refute every point (is your mind already made up because of your atheist faith?), why not use it to investigate yourself? My point was I investigated using these links for myself. There are plenty more, but too many to list. University of Southampton was the first university to treat NDE academically. Unfortunately, their papers were free before but I think they charge now to download. The people I listed are some of the experts in the field. It wasn't to show the supernatural, but that consciousness lives on after death, similar NDE between people and now neurology has taken it on, e.g. they found area on body that can trigger out-of-body-experiences. The latter are more opinion pieces which I got from both sides. Both believers and non-believers have interest. This isn't a complete list by any means.

 

[james bond]

Monk of Reason and other believers and non-believers, here is a list but a pretty good list to start your investigation. There are some that I will pursue myself.

http://listverse.com/2014/02/15/10-reasons-there-might-be-an-afterlife/

EDIT: God said that He will keep some things to Himself. Thus, death (past the point of no return) is not something we will conclusively know. More evidence of God .

 

[SkepticThinker]

Monk of Reason and other believers and non-believers, here is a list but a pretty good list to start your investigation. There are some that I will pursue myself.

http://listverse.com/2014/02/15/10-reasons-there-might-be-an-afterlife/

EDIT: God said that He will keep some things to Himself. Thus, death (past the point of no return) is not something we will conclusively know. More evidence of God .

Let me get this straight. God allegedly said "he" will keep some things to himself. Death is something that is somewhat mysterious to us. And you think that's evidence of god? Seriously?

So basically anything we don't fully understand is evidence of god? You could have said that about lightning thousands of years ago (among countless other things people didn't used to understand). Oh wait, they did! Then we figured out how it works and god disappeared from the picture.

 

[Monk Of Reason]

A few responses to your statements. Instead of trying to refute every point (is your mind already made up because of your atheist faith?), why not use it to investigate yourself? My point was I investigated using these links for myself. There are plenty more, but too many to list. University of Southampton was the first university to treat NDE academically. Unfortunately, their papers were free before but I think they charge now to download. The people I listed are some of the experts in the field. It wasn't to show the supernatural, but that consciousness lives on after death, similar NDE between people and now neurology has taken it on, e.g. they found area on body that can trigger out-of-body-experiences. The latter are more opinion pieces which I got from both sides. Both believers and non-believers have interest. This isn't a complete list by any means.

The issue is that you objectively didn't research those links. You google searched and pasted them without fully reading them. That or you were intentionally putting in links that were a direct counter to your point. I went link by link out of respect for you to pull out that many links. Was I wrong in that?

Ignoring the nonsensical comment about atheist faith the real problem arises from not knowing what is scientific and what is bull****. Once you learn the difference between those two it becomes easier to not get fooled by things on the internet. It is always found in the content but even before that it can be found in the format. I can find you websights that claim litterally anything is true. However most websites that are bunk like that have several tells and signs that they are total bullcrap. Not having citations is a big one. Having a store is another big one.

Nearth death experiences objective exist. Its a well known and well documented phenomenon. People are still working on exactly what it is but so far zero evidence is really found for it being anything nonlocal to the brain. The very very very very few cases of out of body experiences are often outright wrong or extremely vauge. Only a tiny number of out of body experiences describe the events in any degree of accuracy.

I'm willing to accept anything if you have the evidence behind it. But only then.

 

[james bond]

Let me get this straight. God allegedly said "he" will keep some things to himself. Death is something that is somewhat mysterious to us. And you think that's evidence of god? Seriously?

So basically anything we don't fully understand is evidence of god? You could have said that about lightning thousands of years ago (among countless other things people didn't used to understand). Oh wait, they did! Then we figured out how it works and god disappeared from the picture.

Plenty of evidence for God. Can I help it if you do not see it? My EDIT is from the Bible. You cannot explain when life begins nor when it ends. Since you already know, then why don't you share it with us?

Your second paragraph is nonsensical. You seem to equate understanding or comprehension with knowledge. Two different things. Can you get past the comprehension part? Just re-read my first two sentences.

 

[james bond]

The issue is that you objectively didn't research those links. You google searched and pasted them without fully reading them. That or you were intentionally putting in links that were a direct counter to your point. I went link by link out of respect for you to pull out that many links. Was I wrong in that?

Ignoring the nonsensical comment about atheist faith the real problem arises from not knowing what is scientific and what is bull****. Once you learn the difference between those two it becomes easier to not get fooled by things on the internet. It is always found in the content but even before that it can be found in the format. I can find you websights that claim litterally anything is true. However most websites that are bunk like that have several tells and signs that they are total bullcrap. Not having citations is a big one. Having a store is another big one.

Nearth death experiences objective exist. Its a well known and well documented phenomenon. People are still working on exactly what it is but so far zero evidence is really found for it being anything nonlocal to the brain. The very very very very few cases of out of body experiences are often outright wrong or extremely vauge. Only a tiny number of out of body experiences describe the events in any degree of accuracy.

I'm willing to accept anything if you have the evidence behind it. But only then.

I think that's what you did with your non-science article. I read enough articles to provide those links. You can't provide jack. We are done Mr. internet atheist or just another countless atheists who can't think for themselves. They have to be told what to think.

 

[Tiberius]

I know it's migratory. They have some kind of magnetic or other navigational tool using a combination of their senses. My friend on FB helps raise monarch butterfly pupae to maturity and they can migrate 3000 miles to a particular tree. What's interesting is they pass on this knowledge to succeeding generations. How exactly their navigation systems work have not been determined yet, but it's something DoD wants to know.

Yeah, but the instinct to go in a certain direction is not the same thing as an instinct to head towards land, is it?

Perhaps you should try to answer my question again.

 

[Tiberius]

I was posting in order to talk about it more. We have different ideas of what the prophets said. One gal I talk to often thinks The Rapture will be coming soon. I don't think about those things, but think the end is still far away. Not in our lifetimes while she thinks it is. The line the words are written on the subway walls refers to it.

People depict an apocalyptic or dystopian future in films and I think we'll have that in reality as a warning. God destroyed the first world based on Genesis and this time it will be based on the Timothy, Daniel and other OT, so to me sin symbolizes global human destruction.

"What Does the Bible Say Will Happen in the End Times?
Sadly, the Bible predicts a downward spiral of catastrophes, human sin, and religious apostasy before Christ returns. Paul writes, “But realize this, that in the last days difficult times will come. . . . Evil men and impostors will proceed from bad to worse, deceiving and being deceived” (2 Timothy 3:1, 13). The world will continue to reject God, His Word, and His people.

Some day in the future – a day no one knows – God will end the Church Age which began in the first century on Pentecost (cf. Acts 2) with an event known as the Rapture. At that time, God removes all believers in Christ from the earth in preparation for His final judgments. Of the Rapture, Paul says, “For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who have fallen asleep in Jesus. For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord, will not precede those who have fallen asleep. For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we shall always be with the Lord. Therefore comfort one another with these words” (1 Thessalonians 4:14–18).

The erosion of peace and increase of turmoil that precedes the Rapture will reach epic proportions when untold numbers of people disappear from the earth. Such an event will cause panic and demands for a strong leader who will have answers to all the world’s problems. Preparation for this leader has been in progress for some time, as historian Arnold Toynbee has noted, “By forcing on mankind more and more lethal weapons, and at the same time making the world more and more interdependent economically, technology has brought mankind to such a degree of distress that we are ripe for the deifying of any new Caesar who might succeed in giving the world unity and peace.” Out of a revived Roman Empire, one that is organized in a European ten-constituency fashion (cf. Daniel 7:24; Revelation 13:1), the Antichrist will arise and sign a covenant with the nation of Israel, which will officially begin God’s prophetic seven-year countdown to Christ’s second coming (cf. Daniel 9:27).

For three and a half years, the Antichrist will reign over the earth and promise peace, but it is a false peace which will entrap the people of the earth. The Bible says, “While they are saying, ‘Peace and safety!’ then destruction will come upon them suddenly like labor pains upon a woman with child, and they will not escape” (1 Thessalonians 5:3). Wars, earthquakes, and famines will escalate (cf. Matthew 24:7) until the end of the Antichrist’s 3.5-year reign, when he will enter a rebuilt temple in Jerusalem and proclaim himself to be God and demand worship (cf. 2 Thessalonians 2:4; Matthew 24:15). It is at that point that the true God responds to the challenge. For another 3.5 years, a Great Tribulation will occur, such as has never before been seen. Jesus predicted, “For then there will be a great tribulation, such as has not occurred since the beginning of the world until now, nor ever will. Unless those days had been cut short, no life would have been saved; but for the sake of the elect those days will be cut short” (Matthew 24:21–22).

Untold loss of life and destruction of the earth will occur during the Great Tribulation. Also, large numbers will come to faith in Christ, yet many will do so at cost of their lives. God will still be in control as He gathers the unbelieving armies of the world in order to judge them. Of this event, the prophet Joel wrote, “I will gather all the nations And bring them down to the valley of Jehoshaphat. Then I will enter into judgment with them there on behalf of My people” (Joel 3:2). John records the battle this way: “And I saw coming out of the mouth of the dragon [Satan] and out of the mouth of the beast [the Antichrist] and out of the mouth of the false prophet, three unclean spirits like frogs; for they are spirits of demons, performing signs, which go out to the kings of the whole world, to gather them together for the war of the great day of God, the Almighty. . . . And they gathered them together to the place which in Hebrew is called Har-Magedon” (Revelation 16:13–16).

At this point, the Messiah Jesus will return, destroy His enemies, and claim the world, which is rightfully His. “And I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse, and He who sat on it is called Faithful and True, and in righteousness He judges and wages war. His eyes are a flame of fire, and on His head are many diadems; and He has a name written on Him which no one knows except Himself. He is clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God. And the armies which are in heaven, clothed in fine linen, white and clean, were following Him on white horses. From His mouth comes a sharp sword, so that with it He may strike down the nations, and He will rule them with a rod of iron; and He treads the wine press of the fierce wrath of God, the Almighty. And on His robe and on His thigh He has a name written, ‘KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.’ Then I saw an angel standing in the sun, and he cried out with a loud voice, saying to all the birds which fly in mid-heaven, ‘Come, assemble for the great supper of God, so that you may eat the flesh of kings and the flesh of commanders and the flesh of mighty men and the flesh of horses and of those who sit on them and the flesh of all men, both free men and slaves, and small and great.’ And I saw the beast and the kings of the earth and their armies assembled to make war against Him who sat on the horse and against His army. And the beast was seized, and with him the false prophet who performed the signs in his presence, by which he deceived those who had received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image; these two were thrown alive into the lake of fire which burns with brimstone. And the rest were killed with the sword which came from the mouth of Him who sat on the horse, and all the birds were filled with their flesh” (Revelation 19:11–21).

After Christ has defeated all the armies gathered in the valley of Armageddon, He will reign with His saints for one thousand years and fully restore Israel to her land. At the end of a thousand years, a final judgment of the nations and all remaining mankind will occur, which is then followed by an eternal state: either spent with God or separated from Him (cf. Revelation 20-21).

The above events are not speculations or possibilities – they are what will take place in the future. Just as all the Bible’s prophecies of Christ’s first coming came true, so will all the Bible’s prophecies of His second coming.

Given the truth of these prophecies, what impact should they have on us now? Peter asks this question: “Since all these things are to be destroyed in this way, what sort of people ought you to be in holy conduct and godliness, looking for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be destroyed by burning, and the elements will melt with intense heat! ” (2 Peter 3:11–12)."

What was your point for posting this? I already told you that such things will be convincing to people who are already convinced, and I have also made it clear that I am not convinced.

 

[metis]

Plenty of evidence for God.

How do you know it's not "Gods"?

 

[SkepticThinker]

Plenty of evidence for God. Can I help it if you do not see it? My EDIT is from the Bible. You cannot explain when life begins nor when it ends. Since you already know, then why don't you share it with us?

Your second paragraph is nonsensical. You seem to equate understanding or comprehension with knowledge. Two different things. Can you get past the comprehension part? Just re-read my first two sentences.

How is what you said evidence for god? I mean seriously, your supposed evidence is that god says he will keep some things to himself and so when we don't know a thing, that means god exists. So I pointed out that at many times in human history we didn't have answers to things, and many people attributed such things to gods (which you claimed was nonsensical). That is, until we found actual explanations for those things and realized that they have perfectly natural explanations and god disappeared as an explanation (not that "god did it" is any kind of explanation for anything to begin with). I'm sorry but your argument doesn't work and does not provide any actual evidence for any gods.

Not understanding how something works is not evidence for any gods, that I can see, no matter what some old book says.

I don't have to explain how life begins and ends (whatever that means) because I haven't claimed to know. I try not to make assertions about things I don't know.

 

[james bond]

How is what you said evidence for god? I mean seriously, your supposed evidence is that god says he will keep some things to himself and so when we don't know a thing, that means god exists. So I pointed out that at many times in human history we didn't have answers to things, and many people attributed such things to gods (which you claimed was nonsensical). That is, until we found actual explanations for those things and realized that they have perfectly natural explanations and god disappeared as an explanation (not that "god did it" is any kind of explanation for anything to begin with). I'm sorry but your argument doesn't work and does not provide any actual evidence for any gods.

Not understanding how something works is not evidence for any gods, that I can see, no matter what some old book says.

I don't have to explain how life begins and ends (whatever that means) because I haven't claimed to know. I try not to make assertions about things I don't know.

You just answered my question with another question. Many times I have said if you have faith and believe in Him, then God will reveal himself to you. You have to make the first move. In your case, I think you have to realize *your world* exists because you exist. He does not exist in your world even if He is there because you choose to not have Him exist in your world.

Since you continue to have more questions, you will get the answers you want in the afterlife.

It's not I who does not understand. Just look in the mirror to see who does not get it and I mean that in a ♥ friendly way.

Finally, something we can agree on. You never claimed to know because you do not know anything and science. Yet, you won't believe what I just told you or do you? We can continue to study and research this to expand our knowledge, but we will never know for sure. Yet, I tell an atheist that and he expects an answer. What a lazy and stupid human. I can give you a listverse on this, so you can start gathering your knowledge. You won't find the ultimate answer, but you may just get what you want.

There are many things you do not know nor are sure of. For example, why do you think aliens exist? Why should we colonize Mars when it's uninhabitable and we have no transportation to get there. If universes pop up just randomly and are infinite, then how come you can't make one appear now? Why do apes still climb trees and swing from them? Why aren't the apes walking? How did life begin from nothing? How do you know that the moon was created from earth?

 

[McBell]

I'm sure you'll get it when your tail is on fire Mestemia cat.

Bold empty threats do not impress.

 

[McBell]

So you admit Lucy was another fake. Or else explain why Lucy had to walk when it was doing fine climbing trees and swinging from them. If bipedalism was the key to survival, then why continue to climb and swing? And bipedalism for humans is relatively slow mode of transportation and not conducive for distances like going to the supermarket.

Another day. Another contradiction in the world of evolution.

I remember reading this when studying evolution -- Fossil Hominids, Human Evolution: Thomas Huxley & Eugene Dubois so this explains *your* ignorance.

The chimpanzee-like-apes still exist and haven't changed from what they were. We also have the renowned professor who put together Lucy claim apes came from humans.

Professor: Man Did Not Evolve From Chimpanzee-like Apes
Professor: Man Did Not Evolve From Chimpanzee-like Apes | Kent State University

Your diversion reveals your dishonesty.
If your god condones such dishonesty, I am ever so glad to have nothing to do with it.

 

[Monk Of Reason]

I think that's what you did with your non-science article. I read enough articles to provide those links. You can't provide jack. We are done Mr. internet atheist or just another countless atheists who can't think for themselves. They have to be told what to think.

You provided me the best links I could probably find to support me. You clearly didn't read at least half the articles you sent me or you wouldn't say they were evidence of your point.

 

[viole]

I was posting in order to talk about it more. We have different ideas of what the prophets said. One gal I talk to often thinks The Rapture will be coming soon. I don't think about those things, but think the end is still far away. Not in our lifetimes while she thinks it is. The line the words are written on the subway walls refers to it.

People depict an apocalyptic or dystopian future in films and I think we'll have that in reality as a warning. God destroyed the first world based on Genesis and this time it will be based on the Timothy, Daniel and other OT, so to me sin symbolizes global human destruction.

"What Does the Bible Say Will Happen in the End Times?
Sadly, the Bible predicts a downward spiral of catastrophes, human sin, and religious apostasy before Christ returns. Paul writes, “But realize this, that in the last days difficult times will come. . . . Evil men and impostors will proceed from bad to worse, deceiving and being deceived” (2 Timothy 3:1, 13). The world will continue to reject God, His Word, and His people.

Some day in the future – a day no one knows – God will end the Church Age which began in the first century on Pentecost (cf. Acts 2) with an event known as the Rapture. At that time, God removes all believers in Christ from the earth in preparation for His final judgments. Of the Rapture, Paul says, “For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who have fallen asleep in Jesus. For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord, will not precede those who have fallen asleep. For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we shall always be with the Lord. Therefore comfort one another with these words” (1 Thessalonians 4:14–18).

The erosion of peace and increase of turmoil that precedes the Rapture will reach epic proportions when untold numbers of people disappear from the earth. Such an event will cause panic and demands for a strong leader who will have answers to all the world’s problems. Preparation for this leader has been in progress for some time, as historian Arnold Toynbee has noted, “By forcing on mankind more and more lethal weapons, and at the same time making the world more and more interdependent economically, technology has brought mankind to such a degree of distress that we are ripe for the deifying of any new Caesar who might succeed in giving the world unity and peace.” Out of a revived Roman Empire, one that is organized in a European ten-constituency fashion (cf. Daniel 7:24; Revelation 13:1), the Antichrist will arise and sign a covenant with the nation of Israel, which will officially begin God’s prophetic seven-year countdown to Christ’s second coming (cf. Daniel 9:27).

For three and a half years, the Antichrist will reign over the earth and promise peace, but it is a false peace which will entrap the people of the earth. The Bible says, “While they are saying, ‘Peace and safety!’ then destruction will come upon them suddenly like labor pains upon a woman with child, and they will not escape” (1 Thessalonians 5:3). Wars, earthquakes, and famines will escalate (cf. Matthew 24:7) until the end of the Antichrist’s 3.5-year reign, when he will enter a rebuilt temple in Jerusalem and proclaim himself to be God and demand worship (cf. 2 Thessalonians 2:4; Matthew 24:15). It is at that point that the true God responds to the challenge. For another 3.5 years, a Great Tribulation will occur, such as has never before been seen. Jesus predicted, “For then there will be a great tribulation, such as has not occurred since the beginning of the world until now, nor ever will. Unless those days had been cut short, no life would have been saved; but for the sake of the elect those days will be cut short” (Matthew 24:21–22).

Untold loss of life and destruction of the earth will occur during the Great Tribulation. Also, large numbers will come to faith in Christ, yet many will do so at cost of their lives. God will still be in control as He gathers the unbelieving armies of the world in order to judge them. Of this event, the prophet Joel wrote, “I will gather all the nations And bring them down to the valley of Jehoshaphat. Then I will enter into judgment with them there on behalf of My people” (Joel 3:2). John records the battle this way: “And I saw coming out of the mouth of the dragon [Satan] and out of the mouth of the beast [the Antichrist] and out of the mouth of the false prophet, three unclean spirits like frogs; for they are spirits of demons, performing signs, which go out to the kings of the whole world, to gather them together for the war of the great day of God, the Almighty. . . . And they gathered them together to the place which in Hebrew is called Har-Magedon” (Revelation 16:13–16).

At this point, the Messiah Jesus will return, destroy His enemies, and claim the world, which is rightfully His. “And I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse, and He who sat on it is called Faithful and True, and in righteousness He judges and wages war. His eyes are a flame of fire, and on His head are many diadems; and He has a name written on Him which no one knows except Himself. He is clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God. And the armies which are in heaven, clothed in fine linen, white and clean, were following Him on white horses. From His mouth comes a sharp sword, so that with it He may strike down the nations, and He will rule them with a rod of iron; and He treads the wine press of the fierce wrath of God, the Almighty. And on His robe and on His thigh He has a name written, ‘KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.’ Then I saw an angel standing in the sun, and he cried out with a loud voice, saying to all the birds which fly in mid-heaven, ‘Come, assemble for the great supper of God, so that you may eat the flesh of kings and the flesh of commanders and the flesh of mighty men and the flesh of horses and of those who sit on them and the flesh of all men, both free men and slaves, and small and great.’ And I saw the beast and the kings of the earth and their armies assembled to make war against Him who sat on the horse and against His army. And the beast was seized, and with him the false prophet who performed the signs in his presence, by which he deceived those who had received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image; these two were thrown alive into the lake of fire which burns with brimstone. And the rest were killed with the sword which came from the mouth of Him who sat on the horse, and all the birds were filled with their flesh” (Revelation 19:11–21).

After Christ has defeated all the armies gathered in the valley of Armageddon, He will reign with His saints for one thousand years and fully restore Israel to her land. At the end of a thousand years, a final judgment of the nations and all remaining mankind will occur, which is then followed by an eternal state: either spent with God or separated from Him (cf. Revelation 20-21).

The above events are not speculations or possibilities – they are what will take place in the future. Just as all the Bible’s prophecies of Christ’s first coming came true, so will all the Bible’s prophecies of His second coming.

Given the truth of these prophecies, what impact should they have on us now? Peter asks this question: “Since all these things are to be destroyed in this way, what sort of people ought you to be in holy conduct and godliness, looking for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be destroyed by burning, and the elements will melt with intense heat! ” (2 Peter 3:11–12)."

I think you had too many of those (shaken) Vodka Martinis

Ciao

- viole

 

[james bond]

Bold empty threats do not impress.

I get it. You said that several times already. Was God's command to not eat from the TOK a threat? Is John 3:16 a bold threat? I used to see a panhandler carrying a big, bold sign something like, "REPENT! The End Is Near. John 3:16." I'm sure you've seen others in your world. Why are those bold threats?

(To me, the first is a command while the second is historical verse which happened because of the former.)

 

[james bond]

Your diversion reveals your dishonesty.
If your god condones such dishonesty, I am ever so glad to have nothing to do with it.

How am I being dishonest when you won't discuss an example I bring up? Isn't that being dishonest by omission on your part? And what topic we're we discussing to divert from?

Aren't *you* the one trying to divert from Lucy?