Video: Texas judge allegedly beating 16 YO daughter

[not nom]

right

right what? I saw what I saw, I heard what I heard. the video begins with a whole lot of nothing an I'm impatient, so I skipped into the middle.

there is no further "context" needed. she is YELPING in pain, and the father is growling about how she used to be nice and obedient. while the mother is barking at her to get on her stomach.

are you saying being exposed to MORE of that would change my stance in any way?

right.

I've seen enough to know I don't want to share a planet with those people. if you disagree with that, just don't be that way to other people and/or stay out of my reach. because a snide remark doesn't change that.

My comment was directed at that particular member's disgust of my posts in this thread, and only this thread. It's nothing to do with the literal video.

ah, okay. not that I think spanking is great but I agree, that doesn't necessarily have to be so violent and disgusting as in that video. yet odd how this seem to be funny to you. see below and the rest.

Your willful ignorance is cute, though.

willful? lol. it's not hard to misunderstand seeing how the OP involves a belt as well.. try your "right" above for some actual desperation.

but thanks, I try.

 

[Manfred]

Why? Why wouldn't I point out how ridiculous and harmful your view is?

I could just as easily ask why you keep following me around, but I won't because I don't care. You're obviously not going to agree with anything I say in this thread, so let it go.

Is there anything else you just have to say to me on this suggest that you've not already said, or insinuated?

 

[Manfred]

ah, okay. not that I think spanking is great but I agree, that doesn't necessarily have to be so violent and disgusting as in that video.

Right, I'm glad we understand each other.

 

[not nom]

Because grounding her has done such a bang up job so far, right?
Here's an idea, lets have another talk with our daughter about the rules we know she'll ignore the moment we leave the room...again.

oh, so you're a two faced sociopath too, and actually ARE excusing the video?

figures.

 

[not nom]

Right, I'm glad we understand each other.

hahaha, BS.

I see through you and pity you, you squirm. and that's where we're at.

 

[waitasec]

Why? Why wouldn't I point out how ridiculous and harmful your view is?

because he reserves the right to not be offended...
lucky him :sarcastic

 

[Manfred]

Imagine that....

 

[not nom]

oh yeah, imagination..

if the world wasn't partly run by sociopaths, I'd set my hopes on finding a cure... or say, a virus that targets specifically. or weaponized drones with brain scanners, that sort of stuff... anything, really.

 

[not nom]

anything, really.

which makes me a sociopath I guess haha... oh well, it's a dirty job, and only a sociopath can do it. as opposed to brutalizing kids so one feels less insignificant, every jerkoff can do that. no wait, only jerkoffs do that.

any issue for which you could bring up such violence as a solution, could be solved better without it. he lost her respect because he is full of it. that is all.

mother nature has this thing, that if your nest doesn't contain nutrients, you get them elsewhere, or you die. a dumb, sadistic jerk with control issues has nothing to offer, so of course she doesn't "obey" him. good for her. next episode when he's in a senior home dying in his own ****, alone, full of regrets.


I could rant endlessly about this. oh hey, maybe I will. >:[

running away from home, then shelling the house with a mortar, is underrated these days.

 

[Draka]

I take it Manfred didn't bother to either read or attempt to reply to what I've said.

Very simple now. If the same thing were happening only the one getting hit was the man's wife instead of his daughter would it still be "discipline"? Would it be a matter of a husband "disciplining" his wife or would it be domestic abuse?

The EXACT same actions, if perpetrated against his wife, would land him in jail for domestic abuse. The EXACT same actions would land him in jail for assault if perpetrated against a stranger. So why is it suddenly okay for him to take such actions against his daughter?

 

[Manfred]

I take it Manfred didn't bother to either read or attempt to reply to what I've said.

Very simple now. If the same thing were happening only the one getting hit was the man's wife instead of his daughter would it still be "discipline"? Would it be a matter of a husband "disciplining" his wife or would it be domestic abuse?

The EXACT same actions, if perpetrated against his wife, would land him in jail for domestic abuse. The EXACT same actions would land him in jail for assault if perpetrated against a stranger. So why is it suddenly okay for him to take such actions against his daughter?

Point taken.

 

[Majikthise]

I have two kids, a son 10, and a daughter 15. They got open palm smacks on the butt when they were little and a rare slap in the face if they were having a crying/screaming fit because they couldn't have something.
I won't dance around the fact that I think kids need to be physically disciplined once in a while, but after about 6 or7 it doesn't do any good if if you've in any way taught them to stand up for themselves. I took alot of heat from my wife for this stuff but it did help them later and my wife agrees in retrospect.
I know a guy whose girlfriend's 16 year old son smacked her around cause he's a punk. The guy took the kid out into the street and beat the crap out of him. When the cops came he just put his hands out and let the cops take him to the clink for a while. The guy got out and the kid doesn't hit his mom anymore. Good for all concerned. If my son ever lays a hand on my wife, his sister or any other woman be assured he'll get the same from me.
Now that you know I'm no priss about hitting a kid when needed and with the proper restraint for the situation.....
This judge is a psyco. Using any kind of object to hit some one with in anything other than a game is assault. What the hell do you need to use a belt or anything else for? Are you a man or what? My mom used to smack us with a yard stick but we were all boys and bigger than her.
And there were sexual undertones ,IMO, in this whole Texas judge situation. I think he's a sick ****.

 

[Draka]

Point taken.

Do I take that to mean you now realize that it was, indeed, abuse?

When you think about the fact that a child has less resources and ability to stop the abuse than a grown woman or even a stranger, it makes it that much worse. A wife is an adult, she is grown and matured and has more resources to her to leave or stand up for herself (this coming from a former victim of domestic abuse). A child is stuck. They are still maturing and learning and, unless they have an adult outside of the family they have been able to confide in and seek help from, they are caught in a horrible situation they have absolutely no say in. And look what they are learning about life, family, and what is "okay" in the name of "family love and responsibility". You, yourself, have a jaded view of what is acceptable "discipline" because of abuse when you were a child. You have to admit at least that much. Instead of turning this into a competition of "I had it worse" and belittling any abuse lesser than what you had, as a victim of abuse, your heart should actually be going out to other abuse victims, because regardless of the severity, abuse is abuse and it still messes with a person on a very fundamental level. Speaking as a former domestic abuse victim...broken bones mend, bruises fade away, the mind can take a lifetime to heal. Help the healing instead of setting it back by belittling it.

 

[SageTree]

"Alleged"?


That video made me sad and fuming angry full of memories....

What isn't clear again?

 

[Manfred]

Do I take that to mean you now realize that it was, indeed, abuse?

It means I have no rational argument against the analogy you set forth, it doesn't mean I retract what I said as far as child abuse goes.

Spanking your kid with a belt isn't child abuse to me, and that's that.
/fin

 

[Draka]

Yeah, I don't know why the word "alleged" is attached to this. The judge admitted to it when he came out and acknowledged that he "apologized" for it and that "it wasn't as bad as it looked".

 

[Draka]

It means I have no rational argument against the analogy you set forth, it doesn't mean I retract what I said as far as child abuse goes.

Spanking your kid with a belt isn't child abuse to me, and that's that.
/fin

That's actually quite scary really. Because you were so psychologically messed up by your own abuse you actually think that whipping a child with a belt isn't abusive. If anything, that just proves how abuse can mess up a person down to the core and why so many abused children can also grow up to abuse their own children because they have been taught that it is okay.

It's kind of like my first husband. To him, he didn't abuse me because he didn't hit me with closed fists. Using weapons against me, throwing me into furniture and against walls, biting to draw blood, strangling and threatening my life in general wasn't "abuse" to him. "Beating" me with his fists is what he considered "abuse", so to him, his conscience was clear.

You are rationalizing what abuse is and is not based on your own circumstances instead of actual damage. If you do have children I fear for them. If you don't, I hope you seek help before ever having them.

 

[Walkntune]

I'm still wondering what the mom meant by "bend over and take it like a 16 year old."

The mom was trying to protect her.She was playing the part.She was trying to take the control away from the dad.When she hits her she wants to make the dad satisfied but she wants one hit on the butt to be enough.In the end she wants the girl to go sleep on the couch downstairs. She wants her out of his sight to protect her.

 

[Manfred]

That's actually quite scary really. Because you were so psychologically messed up by your own abuse you actually think that whipping a child with a belt isn't abusive.

The first time this was insinuated I smiled. The second and third time it was brought up, it still made me smile.

...but you're different, aren't you; somehow you having suggested this makes it that much more potent.

You can attack me on a personal level all day long, it's an ineffective now as it was the first time.

 

[SageTree]

Spanking your kid with a belt isn't child abuse to me, and that's that.
/fin

Could I ask what you would call abuse then?