Friend of Mara
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Mostly because that increases inequality rather than creates equality. And equality is needed for personal freedoms.
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Wages and Poverty
- Thread starter Friend of Mara
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To ignore that it's a generality seems disingenuous.
Friend of Mara
Active Member
I would argue the landlord position is not required and the history is rooted in aristocratic European society. We didn't have a problem with housing before the housing market. It is currently the way that need is filled (albeit poorly) but it is not the way it has always been done and doubtfully the way it always will be.
They are worth an interesting read.
I'm not aristocratic, but thank you for the accusation.
Instead, I'm practical. Developers, construction companies,
& landlords provided what was needed. And we do it better
than government. I've seen their housing, its condition, &
how government treats them. We're better.
The housing market arose because people wanted housing.
We provided.
Friend of Mara
Active Member
What is your current opinion of there being more homes than homeless?
The concept of renting as we know it only began in the 1920's. Prior to that to be a tenant was almost lateral to a slave. It was also when we began to commodify housing for the middle class.
Friend of Mara
Active Member
That we have more empty homes than we have homeless people. It seems a failure in design.
Are you not aware of tenant farming?
Oh you talking about thoooose factories? You talking about stuff made by child labor in Thailand, or sweatshops in India, and sold in Dollar Tree? Are you sure this is the argument you wanna make here?
That’s because the people who work in those factories (sweatshops) getting paid $2 per day, and McDonalds has to pay at least minimum wage!
Definitely not those you talking about; it’s not like Dollar Tree sells products that say “Made in USA with Union labor” on the tag. (LOL)
Really? How much more can McDonalds pay their employees? Would you like to crunch some numbers?
The average McDonalds owner makes a profit of $150,000.00 per year.
How Much McDonald's Franchise Owners Really Make Per Year
The average store costs approx $1.5 million to open. Let’s use a store with 20 employees who are getting paid an average of $10 who get an average of 30 hrs per week for our example.
In our example weekly labor will cost $6000.00 per week, or $312,000.00 per year.
In order to give each employee a 20% raise ($12 per hr) it will cost him an additional $62,000. That will have to come out of his profits of $150,000 which cuts it down to only $88,000 per year. Now keep in mind franchise owners usually work at least 50 hrs per week in his own store.
IOW in order to pay his employees $12 per hr instead of $10 per hr, he will have to cut his investment of 1.5 million profits to $88,000 per year while working. Keep in mind 1.5 million given to an investment broker will give you a return of approx $75,000 per year; and that is without working. Does that sound reasonable to you?
Source?
I know what tenant farming is.
Calling it slavery is an insult to actual slavery.
Are you unaware of renting apartments & homes?
It's been going on long before the 1920s.
Kooky
Freedom from Sanity
Well, first of all, you have presented no basis for that number.
Second of all, even if I took this claim at face value, that doesn't mean a whole lot, because the majority of people aren't working in "good paying jobs" to begin with.
In the US, average incomes have been steadily rising above the median income level (that is, the level at which 50% of all workers earn less), implying that the portion of the workforce who can reach highest wincome levels has been steadily decreasing for the past 20 years or so.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
It's not always from those places. Much like Walmart, it's a mixed bag of results. Except damn near everything now is made in China. Some of it is made in America, some of it available for cheap.
Franchise owners aren't the corporate owners. Amd that's a part of what makes being one attractive. The franchisee gets to own the store while paying royalties to use the name, images and products of a much larger corporation. That also can help to reduce the financial risk of the franchisee.
No, because you left a ton of numbers and facts out. Like how much the store makes, all of it's bills, royalties, and many other parts that must be considered for such a thing.
Kooky
Freedom from Sanity
Yea, McDonald's doesn't actually pay the majority of fast food workers working at McDonald's - they are a real estate company first and foremost, who make most of their profits from licensing fees and real estate sales. Most of the workforce is being employed by the franchise partners, who shoulder most of the cost of actually running a fast food restaurant. A small fraction of McDonald's restaurants are actually owned by McDonald's.
Kooky
Freedom from Sanity
It would make sense in an environment where wage labor has been abolished.
Here are a couple of links that says Post Office workers can make $72,000 per year and UPS drivers making $63,000. Is that enough for ya?
Home - US Postal exam
You are being redirected....
Not in the USA. In the USA the greater the inequality, usually the better the poor are financially.
Curious George
Veteran Member
Do you have more than anecdotal evidence to suggest that your claim is true even in a general sense?
If not, then why not simply toss in a qualifier. I imagine you might take exception to negative blanket statements about landlords.
I'll just avoid your usual bickering.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Can make does mean will make. If its up to 72k, the average would likely be much lower.
Curious George
Veteran Member
Is it bickering when one questions misleading claims?
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
I haven't seen it be a generality. Public housing usually isn't the best, but it usually has a bare minimum above many private units that I've seen. Better maintained as well.