War: the Pope says that mankind is in danger; strive for peace

[muhammad_isa]

The Pope spoke as head of state, and as religious leader.

The Russians have their own Eastern Orthodox leader, unfortunately..

 

[YoursTrue]

Ah, so incest between full sister and brother. How pleasant. How Godly.

At that time it wasn't considered incest. Later on it was. Because they lived longer and either way -- you think maybe there were lots of evolved humans that just happened to have sex with distant relatives keeping the human race going?

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

At that time it wasn't considered incest. Later on it was. Because they lived longer and either way -- you think maybe there were lots of evolved humans that just happened to have sex with distant relatives keeping the human race going?

You are apparently not thinking particularly clearly. I doubt I'll be able to help you.

 

[YoursTrue]

This thread is about the religious implications of war.
The Pope spoke as head of state, and as religious leader.

So again, as a so-called Christian, why would he even imagine that mankind would kill itself? But anyway, there have been lots and lots of murders and wars. But now the big one -- nuclear weapons. As if the God the Pope professes to worship says it's possible mankind would exterminate itself. How terrible. The Bible says something entirely different.
Psalm 37:9 - "For evildoers shall be cut off: but those that wait upon the LORD, they shall inherit the earth."

 

[YoursTrue]

You are apparently not thinking particularly clearly. I doubt I'll be able to help you.

chuckle, help me?? ok anyway -- smile -- have a nice day, evening -- etc.

 

[YoursTrue]

You are apparently not thinking particularly clearly. I doubt I'll be able to help you.

But -- you think that interbreeding somehow a long time ago did the job, is that right? Anyway, yes -- you have a nice day and close relative marriage is forbidden in many areas of the world today. But not so far away either. Kissing Cousins: The States Where Marrying Your Relative Is Legal | Inside Edition

 

[YoursTrue]

You're still basing your political and social opinions on a mythological narrative, not on actual facts.

So then, how long you figure murder and war has been going on?

 

[YoursTrue]

You're still basing your political and social opinions on a mythological narrative, not on actual facts.

so you think maybe many humans emerged at the same time and fornicated but didn't kill each other when they first evolved?

 

[YoursTrue]

No. "Everything dies" is not part of the ToE, and "war and destruction" is politics, not biology.
I think you're confusing biology, politics and sociology.

I think that the world is a mess and only God can change it. And He will. Do animals die? Are they born to die eventually? I should say, per the ToE, is it natural that animals die? Maybe natural selection?

 

[Valjean]

I think that the world is a mess and only God can change it. And He will. Do animals die? Are they born to die eventually? I should say, per the ToE, is it natural that animals die? Maybe natural selection?

Animals die, but why is that 'per' the ToE?

YoursTrue said: ↑
so you think maybe many humans emerged at the same time and fornicated but didn't kill each other when they first evolved?

They killed each other, but they didn't murder each other.

YoursTrue said: ↑
So then, how long you figure murder and war has been going on?

Skirmishes and organized killing has been going on for millions of years. Illegal killing had to wait till a legal system was developed.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Animals die, but why is that 'per' the ToE?

Well, the current answer seems to be that every DNA is replicated it degrades and that is what causes dying of old age. At least that is one version.

 

[YoursTrue]

Animals die, but why is that 'per' the ToE?

It's not? Isn't that the way of evolution, that an organism comes and goes? Otherwise, what natural mechanism makes anamals and plants die? They naturally selected it? What say scientists?

 

[YoursTrue]

Well, the current answer seems to be that every DNA is replicated it degrades and that is what causes dying of old age. At least that is one version.

Perhaps valjean will offer other possibilities as per the nature. Scientifically of course. @Valjean, let's hear it...please. why do animals and plants die if not by means of the ToE and/or natural selection. Please...

 

[YoursTrue]

Animals die, but why is that 'per' the ToE?

They killed each other, but they didn't murder each other.

Skirmishes and organized killing has been going on for millions of years. Illegal killing had to wait till a legal system was developed.

Oh yeah illegal killing. Where you getting that answer from,?

 

[Valjean]

Perhaps valjean will offer other possibilities as per the nature. Scientifically of course. @Valjean, let's hear it...please. why do animals and plants die if not by means of the ToE and/or natural selection. Please...

I'm not sure where you're going with this.
Everything's tied together, of course, and organisms die, but death isn't a key step in the selection process, they don't die "by means of" natural selection.

Oh yeah illegal killing. Where you getting that answer from,?

Again, what are you talking about? What's your point. Are you questioning the definition of murder?

 

[YoursTrue]

I'm not sure where you're going with this.
Everything's tied together, of course, and organisms die, but death isn't a key step in the selection process, they don't die "by means of" natural selection.

They don't? They why DO organisms die? And of course, how are they originated? Kind of like the 'big bang' where something was before it exploded but it just was? Is that it? Listen -- there is a reason that anything is 'there.' And it's not by sheer chance.

Again, what are you talking about? What's your point. Are you questioning the definition of murder?

Do animals murder or kill one another? What do you think?

 

[Valjean]

They don't? They why DO organisms die?

Seriously? They get run over by busses, They accumulate toxins, they accumulate harmful genetic mutations, chromosomal telomeres shrink, bacteria and viruses invade.

And of course, how are they originated? Kind of like the 'big bang' where something was before it exploded but it just was? Is that it? Listen -- there is a reason that anything is 'there.' And it's not by sheer chance.

Reality isn't patterned on our everyday experience. The Real Reality, underlying our everyday world, isn't deterministic, it doesn't correspond to our everyday experience. At the quantum level, underlying Reality, things get very 'chancy'. Cause and effect, and 'reasons' for things don't apply.

Do animals murder or kill one another? What do you think?

They kill each other; they don't murder each other.
Why is "murder" such a difficult concept for you?

 

[YoursTrue]

Seriously? They get run over by busses, They accumulate toxins, they accumulate harmful genetic mutations, chromosomal telomeres shrink, bacteria and viruses invade.
Reality isn't patterned on our everyday experience. The Real Reality, underlying our everyday world, isn't deterministic, it doesn't correspond to our everyday experience. At the quantum level, underlying Reality, things get very 'chancy'. Cause and effect, and 'reasons' for things don't apply.
They kill each other; they don't murder each other.
Why is "murder" such a difficult concept for you?

So they don't die naturally, like old age?
As far as murder it's interesting that lawyers take their chances on jurors, at least in the United States.

 

[YoursTrue]

Seriously? They get run over by busses, They accumulate toxins, they accumulate harmful genetic mutations, chromosomal telomeres shrink, bacteria and viruses invade.
Reality isn't patterned on our everyday experience. The Real Reality, underlying our everyday world, isn't deterministic, it doesn't correspond to our everyday experience. At the quantum level, underlying Reality, things get very 'chancy'. Cause and effect, and 'reasons' for things don't apply.
They kill each other; they don't murder each other.
Why is "murder" such a difficult concept for you?

So animals,according to you, kill each other naturally via the method of the process of evolution, even like a snake swallowing an animal whole, no judgment there, right? That's natural by the ToE, but humans...well, they're in a different category of consciousness, right.

 

[YoursTrue]

They don't? They why DO organisms die? And of course, how are they originated? Kind of like the 'big bang' where something was before it exploded but it just was? Is that it? Listen -- there is a reason that anything is 'there.' And it's not by sheer chance.


Do animals murder or kill one another? What do you think?

@Valjean - death by lion to lion, for instance, is different according to you than death by human to human, right?