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[Riverwolf]

This isn't quite relevant to the topic, but pedophiles seem to use that reasoning quite often - they say they genuinely deeply love the child they assault, and the child loves them and the sexual acts.

Last year a man self-published an e-book on Amazon called "The Pedophile's Guide to Love and Pleasure: A Child-Lover's Code of Conduct". He detailed how to condition and love a child in preparation for sexual acts - basically a how-to in child seduction, which included presents and candy and showering affection. He defended the meaning of the word "pedophile", which he said doesn't mean child abuser or rapist, just child-lover. And he said adult-child love is pure and natural. (The book was pulled within months.)

Whatever our understandings of cultural norms, "pure love" feels too close to modern pedophiles' defense. I'd leave it at this - compelling children into sexuality was/is normal for some cultures, and we don't know the effects it had/has on those kids. So we superimpose our views, which by all accounts tell us adult-child sexuality is harmful to children.

I use the term "pure love" because, when I was growing up, I was a sucker for that sort of language in the anime I watched, and I never saw any problems with it, other than the fact that it's melodramatic. Perhaps "strong relationship" would be better.

 

[Riverwolf]

Especially since adult-child sexuality has harmful effects whether the child is taught it is wrong or not.

Show me what harmful effects the relationship should have had on Aisha, and we can determine whether or not they happened.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

Show me what harmful effects the relationship should have had on Aisha, and we can determine whether or not they happened.

Apart from the fact that in this whole thread I'm discussing generalities, I'd love to hear exactly how you would go about determining that.

 

[Riverwolf]

Apart from the fact that in this whole thread I'm discussing generalities, I'd love to hear exactly how you would go about determining that.

From the records we have available.

But, since your discussing generalities, the entire thing seems to fall flat, since we can't apply generalities to specific events in the past without a strong chance of being wrong.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

From the records we have available.

But, since your discussing generalities, the entire thing seems to fall flat, since we can't apply generalities to specific events in the past without a strong chance of being wrong.

I don't see how my argument that, adult men who want to bang little girls are screwed up in the head, falls flat at any point. Then again, I have a strong bias towards common sense in situations where common sense is applicable.

 

[Bismillah]

Yes, yes we see. Your culture is better than their culture, your parenting is obviously superior, and their practices are abhorrent.

It's funny you give yourself so much credit to the point that you would rather speak for the women rather than listen to her own words.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

Yes, yes we see. Your culture is better than their culture, your parenting is obviously superior, and their practices are abhorrent.

It's funny you give yourself so much credit to the point that you would rather speak for the women rather than listen to her own words.

It's funny that you comment on my posts without bothering to read what my point or argument actually is. Well, not so much funny as unsurprising.

 

[Bismillah]

Read one read them all, the post was face value. You can be as patronising to me as you are in your posts doesn't really matter, your cultural chauvinism is showing.

But heck you go talking for a lady who has made her stance crystal clear, I suppose the women of history need their white knights as well.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

Read one read them all, the post was face value. You can be as patronising to me as you are in your posts doesn't really matter, your cultural chauvinism is showing.

But heck you go talking for a lady who has made her stance crystal clear, I suppose the women of history need their white knights as well.

Again, not bothering to read any of my actual points. Your ignorance of my position or arguments is showing. But heck, feel free to keep conveying your ignorance by attributing arguments to me I never made. Par for the course.

 

[Bismillah]

Obviously you are the only one that understands, anyone that disagrees is a child rapist supporting pedophile, I won't try and knock you off your illusionary pedestal you seem to enjoy it too much

Trust me, I understand the arguments. They're just nonsense.

You seemingly know more about Aisha then she does herself.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

Obviously you are the only one that understands, anyone that disagrees is a child rapist supporting pedophile, I won't try and knock you off your illusionary pedestal you seem to enjoy it too much You seemingly know more about Aisha then she does herself.

You seemingly know more about my arguments than I do. I haven't mentioned Aisha once, since she is completely irrelevant to any of my arguments. Perhaps if you tried reading for comprehension instead of having a knee-jerk defensive reaction against anything you think is attacking your religion, then you might have a hope of understanding what any of my points actually are. Of course, I'm not holding my breath.

 

[Bismillah]

Haha scurry back to your cave claiming that you were speaking in general terms, which is meaningless, but you follow up after with

I don't see how my argument that, adult men who want to bang little girls are screwed up in the head, falls flat at any point. Then again, I have a strong bias towards common sense in situations where common sense is applicable.

like I said your cultural chauvinism is showing.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

Haha scurry back to your cave claiming that you were speaking in general terms, which is meaningless, but you follow up after with like I said your cultural chauvinism is showing.

Are you even trying to make sense? What about my statements isn't general? Please try to answer cogently.

 

[Bismillah]

"I don't see how my argument that, adult men who want to bang little girls are screwed up in the head, falls flat at any point." in response to

But, since your discussing generalities, the entire thing seems to fall flat, since we can't apply generalities to specific events in the past without a strong chance of being wrong.

Apparently not only are you speaking in generalities they are unyielding truth for every scenario, shocking that assertion.

 

[Riverwolf]

I don't see how my argument that, adult men who want to bang little girls are screwed up in the head, falls flat at any point. Then again, I have a strong bias towards common sense in situations where common sense is applicable.

As do I. Thing is, my experience has told me that "common sense" only exists with regards to safety, and nothing else. Therefore, it's not really applicable with regards to historical events.

Since you admit to using generalizations, you admit that your argument is this: generally, men who want to have sex with little girls (not that she was a little girl; 9 years old, with a strong likelyhood of being in puberty, is pretty much at the threshold of being a young woman) are screwed up in the head (and, since we're talking about generalizations, if "little girls" only refers to prepubescent girls, then I agree). Therefore, it does not apply to all situations.

 

[Bware]

Ladies and gentlemen, I am going to address a rumor about Islam. This rumor is very nasty, and it needs to be put to rest. If at any time the Muslim community get offended, I will have the deleted. Okay, it is time to address the rumor. The rumor is that the Muslim Prophet Muhammad married Aisha when she was six years old and consummated that marriage when Aisha was nine years old. By modern definitions, this would make him a pedophile. Wait! Before you attack, please read the rest of the story. I want you to know that I have found this to be untrue. The rumor is spread by misinformation from both Christians, and some Muslims, thus feeding anti-muslim, and anti-arab hate. It is time for people to know the truth and put an end to the hate.

I've never heard of this story before, but I'm pretty sure it's not the main reason why so many people are against Islam...I think the reason tat Islam gets a lot of haters is because many non Muslims can't separate Islamic extremism from mainstream Islam.

 

[kai]

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[Kilgore Trout]

Apparently not only are you speaking in generalities they are unyielding truth for every scenario, shocking that assertion.

Yes, it is an unyielding truth for every scenario that adult men who want to have sex with little girls are screwed up in the head. Grown men who are sexually attracted to nine year old girls are disturbed individuals. No amount of mental gymnastics or pathetic rationalizations will convince me otherwise. Then again, I have no personal need for sex with children to be okay.

 

[AhmadSyahir]

What did you think reflects how your mind is. Many people use sex to kill ones character and that reflect how the person are. If you believe that a pedophile Prophet will have a followers then it's up to you. There's dispute on the age of Aisha when he married to Muhammad S.A.W. It's 18 years old. Aisha has joined some war in her life. Muhammad had put strict rules for those who wanted to join war should be at least 15 years old (If I'm not mistaken). The hadith about the marriage is considered weak since the hadith is not related in Law of Islam.

 

[Riverwolf]

Yes, it is an unyielding truth for every scenario that adult men who want to have sex with little girls are screwed up in the head. Grown men who are sexually attracted to nine year old girls are disturbed individuals. No amount of mental gymnastics or pathetic rationalizations will convince me otherwise. Then again, I have no personal need for sex with children to be okay.

You said you were speaking in generalizations, yet you say that ever scenario is like this.

Neither do we have any need for this to be okay. Not sure why you brought that up.