McBell
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you said that rulers were not religions but politics.
So once Mohammad became a ruler, Islam was no longer a religion but instead politics, right?
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Was Islam spread by the sword?
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So once Mohammad became a ruler, Islam was no longer a religion but instead politics, right?
McBell
Unbound
So does that mean the histories you have presented are also not 100% accurate?
paarsurrey
Veteran Member
Was Islam spread by the sword?
No.
For example:
Spread of Islam in
Bulgaria : [3]
The 15th-century Banya Bashi Mosque, in capital Sofia.
Islam is the largest minority religion in Bulgaria. According to the 2011 Census, the total number of Muslims in the country stood at 577,139,[1] corresponding to 7.8% of the population.[2] The Muslim population of Bulgaria, which is made up of Turks, Bulgarians andGypsies, lives mainly in parts of northeastern Bulgaria (mainly in Razgrad,Targovishte,Shumen and Silistra Provinces) and in theRhodope Mountains (mainly in Kardzhali Province).[3]
Distribution of the ethnic groups by municipalities according to the 2011 census:
Red: Bulgarian ethnic group
Green: Pomak ethnic group
Like the practitioners of other beliefs including Orthodox Christians, Muslims suffered under the restriction of religious freedom by the Marxist-LeninistZhivkov regime which instituted state atheism and suppressed religious communities. The Bulgarian communist regimes declared traditional Muslim beliefs to be diametrically opposed to secular communist ideology.[citation needed] In 1989,[13] 310,000 Turks fled Bulgaria as a result of the communistZhivkov regime's assimilation campaign. That program, which began in 1984, forced all Turks and other Muslims in Bulgaria to adopt Bulgarian names and renounce all Muslim customs. The motivation of the 1984 assimilation campaign was unclear; however, many experts believed that the disproportion between the birth rates of the Turks and the Bulgarians was a major factor.[14] After the breakdown of communism, Muslims in Bulgaria again enjoyed greater religious freedom. Some villages organized Qur'an study courses for young people (study of the Qur'an had been completely forbidden under Zhivkov).[citation needed]Muslims also began publishing their own newspaper, Musulmani, in both Bulgarian and Turkish.
Lifestyle[edit]
In 2011, the first study in 25 years found that 48.6 percent of its 850 Muslim respondents described themselves as devoutly religious, 28.5 percent of which very. Some 41 percent never went to the mosque and 59.3 percent did not pray at home.[15] 0.5 percent believed that disputes should be resolved using Islamic Sharia law and 79.6 percent said that wearing a veil in school was "unacceptable."[15] 88 percent of respondents said they circumcised their boys and 96 percent observed Muslim burial practices for their relatives.[15] More than half of the respondents said cohabitation without marriage was "acceptable", 39.8 percent ate pork and 43.3 percent drank alcohol.[15]
Ottoman era textile canopy from Bulgaria: Imaret Mosque Built 1444:Bulgarian Muslim drinking bowl.
Country/Region:
Bulgaria
Muslim population 2010 Pew Report[1]:1,002,000
Muslim percentage (%) of total population 2010 Pew Report[1] : 13.4
Percentage (%) of World Muslim population 2010 Pew Report[1] : 0.1
Muslim population Other sources : 577,139 (official census)[40]
Muslim percentage (%)Other sources: 10%[40]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_by_country
I don't see any sword in spread of Islam in
Bulgaria . Do you see any?
Please correct me if I am wrong.
Regards
No.
For example:
Spread of Islam in
Bulgaria : [3]The 15th-century Banya Bashi Mosque, in capital Sofia.
Islam is the largest minority religion in Bulgaria. According to the 2011 Census, the total number of Muslims in the country stood at 577,139,[1] corresponding to 7.8% of the population.[2] The Muslim population of Bulgaria, which is made up of Turks, Bulgarians andGypsies, lives mainly in parts of northeastern Bulgaria (mainly in Razgrad,Targovishte,Shumen and Silistra Provinces) and in theRhodope Mountains (mainly in Kardzhali Province).[3]
Red: Bulgarian ethnic group
Green: Pomak ethnic group
Like the practitioners of other beliefs including Orthodox Christians, Muslims suffered under the restriction of religious freedom by the Marxist-LeninistZhivkov regime which instituted state atheism and suppressed religious communities. The Bulgarian communist regimes declared traditional Muslim beliefs to be diametrically opposed to secular communist ideology.[citation needed] In 1989,[13] 310,000 Turks fled Bulgaria as a result of the communistZhivkov regime's assimilation campaign. That program, which began in 1984, forced all Turks and other Muslims in Bulgaria to adopt Bulgarian names and renounce all Muslim customs. The motivation of the 1984 assimilation campaign was unclear; however, many experts believed that the disproportion between the birth rates of the Turks and the Bulgarians was a major factor.[14] After the breakdown of communism, Muslims in Bulgaria again enjoyed greater religious freedom. Some villages organized Qur'an study courses for young people (study of the Qur'an had been completely forbidden under Zhivkov).[citation needed]Muslims also began publishing their own newspaper, Musulmani, in both Bulgarian and Turkish.
Lifestyle[edit]
In 2011, the first study in 25 years found that 48.6 percent of its 850 Muslim respondents described themselves as devoutly religious, 28.5 percent of which very. Some 41 percent never went to the mosque and 59.3 percent did not pray at home.[15] 0.5 percent believed that disputes should be resolved using Islamic Sharia law and 79.6 percent said that wearing a veil in school was "unacceptable."[15] 88 percent of respondents said they circumcised their boys and 96 percent observed Muslim burial practices for their relatives.[15] More than half of the respondents said cohabitation without marriage was "acceptable", 39.8 percent ate pork and 43.3 percent drank alcohol.[15]
Ottoman era textile canopy from Bulgaria: Imaret Mosque Built 1444:Bulgarian Muslim drinking bowl.
Country/Region:
BulgariaMuslim population 2010 Pew Report[1]:1,002,000
Muslim percentage (%) of total population 2010 Pew Report[1] : 13.4
Percentage (%) of World Muslim population 2010 Pew Report[1] : 0.1
Muslim population Other sources : 577,139 (official census)[40]
Muslim percentage (%)Other sources: 10%[40]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_by_country
I don't see any sword in spread of Islam in
Bulgaria . Do you see any?Please correct me if I am wrong.
Regards
McBell
Unbound
History does not record the events and their perspective with 100% accuracy. Does it?Was Islam spread by the sword?
No.
For example:
Spread of Islam in
The 15th-century Banya Bashi Mosque, in capital Sofia.
Islam is the largest minority religion in Bulgaria. According to the 2011 Census, the total number of Muslims in the country stood at 577,139,[1] corresponding to 7.8% of the population.[2] The Muslim population of Bulgaria, which is made up of Turks, Bulgarians andGypsies, lives mainly in parts of northeastern Bulgaria (mainly in Razgrad,Targovishte,Shumen and Silistra Provinces) and in theRhodope Mountains (mainly in Kardzhali Province).[3]
Distribution of the ethnic groups by municipalities according to the 2011 census:
Red: Bulgarian ethnic group
Green: Pomak ethnic group
Like the practitioners of other beliefs including Orthodox Christians, Muslims suffered under the restriction of religious freedom by the Marxist-LeninistZhivkov regime which instituted state atheism and suppressed religious communities. The Bulgarian communist regimes declared traditional Muslim beliefs to be diametrically opposed to secular communist ideology.[citation needed] In 1989,[13] 310,000 Turks fled Bulgaria as a result of the communistZhivkov regime's assimilation campaign. That program, which began in 1984, forced all Turks and other Muslims in Bulgaria to adopt Bulgarian names and renounce all Muslim customs. The motivation of the 1984 assimilation campaign was unclear; however, many experts believed that the disproportion between the birth rates of the Turks and the Bulgarians was a major factor.[14] After the breakdown of communism, Muslims in Bulgaria again enjoyed greater religious freedom. Some villages organized Qur'an study courses for young people (study of the Qur'an had been completely forbidden under Zhivkov).[citation needed]Muslims also began publishing their own newspaper, Musulmani, in both Bulgarian and Turkish.
Lifestyle[edit]
In 2011, the first study in 25 years found that 48.6 percent of its 850 Muslim respondents described themselves as devoutly religious, 28.5 percent of which very. Some 41 percent never went to the mosque and 59.3 percent did not pray at home.[15] 0.5 percent believed that disputes should be resolved using Islamic Sharia law and 79.6 percent said that wearing a veil in school was "unacceptable."[15] 88 percent of respondents said they circumcised their boys and 96 percent observed Muslim burial practices for their relatives.[15] More than half of the respondents said cohabitation without marriage was "acceptable", 39.8 percent ate pork and 43.3 percent drank alcohol.[15]
Ottoman era textile canopy from Bulgaria: Imaret Mosque Built 1444:Bulgarian Muslim drinking bowl.
Country/Region:
Muslim population 2010 Pew Report[1]:1,002,000
Muslim percentage (%) of total population 2010 Pew Report[1] : 13.4
Percentage (%) of World Muslim population 2010 Pew Report[1] : 0.1
Muslim population Other sources : 577,139 (official census)[40]
Muslim percentage (%)Other sources: 10%[40]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_by_country
I don't see any sword in spread of Islam in
Please correct me if I am wrong.
Regards
paarsurrey
Veteran Member
I am not afraid of them. You asked my opinion and I just gave that.
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YmirGF
Bodhisattva in Recovery
SO, can I use your quote? Yes or No. Nothing beyond a one word answer... Yes or No.
paarsurrey
Veteran Member
I leave it to you.
Regards
Sonofason
Well-Known Member
We can judge anyone we want.
outhouse
Atheistically
You used this same history to try and prove islam was not spread by blood. You failed and your the one who brought that quote into the forum.
You supplied the link.
Does that mean all the material you post is historically worthless?
paarsurrey
Veteran Member
You are simply wrong.
I mostly quoted from Wikipedia and not from history. I never claimed that Wikipedia is 100% correct in every detail, even Wikipedia does not claim that it is 100% correct. It is always implied that the reader would explore truth himself and accept it after due diligence and only if he is satisfied with the stuff heart and soul.
Islam spread peacefully.
Regards
paarsurrey
Veteran Member
Please focus on the following points.
Now I give peaceful spread of Ahmadiyya true Islam in Congo.
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The Democratic Republic of the Congo (/ˈkɒŋɡoʊ/; French pronunciation: [kɔ̃ɡo]; French: République démocratique du Congo), also known asDR Congo, DRC, DROC, RDC, Congo-Kinshasa, or simply Congo[6][7] is a country located in Central Africa. From 1971 to 1997 it was namedZaïre. It borders the Republic of the Congo, the Central African Republic, and South Sudan to the north, Uganda, Rwanda, Burundi and Tanzaniato the East, Zambia and Angola to the south and the Atlantic Ocean to the west. It is the second largest country in Africa by area and theeleventh largest in the world. With a population of over 75 million,[1] the Democratic Republic of the Congo is the most populated officially Francophone country, the fourth most populated nation in Africa and the nineteenth most populated country in the world.
Catholicism ({{{value1}}}%)
Protestantism (32%)
Other Christian (11.2%)
Sunni Islam (6%)
Shia Islam (1.2%)
Ahmadiyya Islam (0.7%)
Other Muslim (4.1%)
Indigenous religion (3%)
Other or non-specified (1%)
Unaffiliated (4%)
Country/Region:
Congo
Ahmadiyya population : 540,000
Perce
Percentage (%) of population : 0.7
Notes/Sources : RC[12]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmadiyya_by_country
Does one see any sword used for spread of Ahmadiyya true Islam in Democratic Republic of the Congo ?
Regards
- Islam has been reformed under the Ahmadiyya and is one of the fastest spreading religious community in the world.
- Ahmadiyya or true Islam has peacefully spread in about 206 countries/territories of the world. In about 150 years Ahmadiyya are already more than the Zoroastrians and perhaps the Judaism people, no disrespect intended to anybody.
- if one is truthful one would increase despite the opposition, persecution and killings done by the opponents.
- Ahmadiyya Muslims follow teachings of Quran as did Muhammad follow. In fact Ahmadiyya follow in Muhammad’s footsteps.
- Those who doubt that Islam spread peacefully in times of Muhammad they should focus on spread of Ahmadiyya true Islam, If it has happened now peacefully, it should be a clear sign for the doubtful that Islam spread peacefully in times of Muhammad.
Now I give peaceful spread of Ahmadiyya true Islam in Congo.
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The Democratic Republic of the Congo (/ˈkɒŋɡoʊ/; French pronunciation: [kɔ̃ɡo]; French: République démocratique du Congo), also known asDR Congo, DRC, DROC, RDC, Congo-Kinshasa, or simply Congo[6][7] is a country located in Central Africa. From 1971 to 1997 it was namedZaïre. It borders the Republic of the Congo, the Central African Republic, and South Sudan to the north, Uganda, Rwanda, Burundi and Tanzaniato the East, Zambia and Angola to the south and the Atlantic Ocean to the west. It is the second largest country in Africa by area and theeleventh largest in the world. With a population of over 75 million,[1] the Democratic Republic of the Congo is the most populated officially Francophone country, the fourth most populated nation in Africa and the nineteenth most populated country in the world.
Catholicism ({{{value1}}}%)
Protestantism (32%)
Other Christian (11.2%)
Sunni Islam (6%)
Shia Islam (1.2%)
Ahmadiyya Islam (0.7%)
Other Muslim (4.1%)
Indigenous religion (3%)
Other or non-specified (1%)
Unaffiliated (4%)
Country/Region:
CongoAhmadiyya population : 540,000
Perce
Percentage (%) of population : 0.7
Notes/Sources : RC[12]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmadiyya_by_country
Does one see any sword used for spread of Ahmadiyya true Islam in Democratic Republic of the Congo ?
Regards
outhouse
Atheistically
NO
it has nothing to do with the OP
Your just proselytizing your small version of islam
Yes islam is terrible there, MUCH BLOODSHED
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/10/congo-islamic-jihadists-murder-at-least-22-including-8-children
Congo: Islamic jihadists murder at least 22, including 8 children
This is a genocide
McBell
Unbound
I find it interesting how it took over 2500 posts before we got to what he "actually" meant in the OP....
paarsurrey
Veteran Member
It is an important point that most of the posters have failed to realize even in the later posts in the thread, hence their wrong conclusions. Islam is an ideology, to prove that Islam commanded to use sword to spread cannot be proved wrong with what Muslims rulers/monarchs or tribal chiefs did or said.
Regards
outhouse
Atheistically
Only requires an honest look at history.
But islam did not command to use the sword. muhammad did, They used the sword to force people to change personal beliefs or be slaughtered like animals.
paarsurrey
Veteran Member
One's understanding of history is incorrect. Muhammad did what Quran said. He was only a defender of his faith/religion.
Regards
paarsurrey
Veteran Member
outhouse
Atheistically
That is something you cannot address with credibility. Can you?
paarsurrey
Veteran Member
There is no need to it. Quran informs everything essentially needed in ethical, moral and spirituals domains and guides one in this life and the hereafter. History is not 100 % correct, one may read and respond to post #76 about history and historians.
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