Was Islam spread by the sword?

[icehorse]

paarsurrey -

2:193

And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah) and (all and every kind of) worship is for Allah (Alone)...

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

agreed!

thank -you

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

Do you mean World War one and two were model wars and should be appreciated?

Then why not have Word Wars III and IV if you like them so much?

Regards

Yes I mean the two world wars
And other wars which the Christians
In all wars there is a justification of the Gospel
Welaistkhdm the name of Jesus in slaughtering people
Because there are no clear or explicit words of the Bible calls for fighting
But that's not enough with all of Islam is for Allah
I believe that God in Islam is very weak and the excessive force used by gangs to spread his name
This is the God that you believe I am laao'mn it
Machine orders the fighting and allow the Messenger Muhammad's alleged killing and capture women
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[paarsurrey]

Was Islam spread by the sword?

No.

For example:

Spread of Islam in Japan:[1]

The history of Islam in Japan is relatively brief in relation to the religion's longstanding presence in other countries around the world.

Early history[edit]

There are isolated records of contact between Islam and Japan before the opening of the country in 1853; some Muslims did arrive in earlier centuries.

The earliest records of Japan can be found in the works of the Muslim cartographer Ibn Khordadbeh, clearly mentions Japan as the "lands of Waqwaq" twice: East of China are the lands of Waqwaq, which are so rich in gold that the inhabitants make the chains for their dogs and the collars for their monkeys of this metal. They manufacture tunics woven with gold. Excellent ebony wood is found there.” And again: “Gold and ebony are exported from Waqwaq.[1]

During the 14th century there was contact between the Chinese Muslim (Hui people) Lan Yu (general) of the Ming dynasty and the sword-smiths of Japan. According to Chinese sources Lan Yu owned 10,000 Japanese swords.
Among the first proper recorded contacts was when a Portuguese ship which sailed from Malacca in 1555 and among its passengers was an Arab who, had preached Islam to the people of Japan.[2][3]

The first modern Muslim contacts were with Indonesians who served aboard British and Dutch ships in the late 19th century.

In the late 1870s, the life of Prophet Muhammad was translated into Japanese. This helped Islam spread and reach the Japanese people, but only as a part of the history of cultures.

Another important contact was made in 1890 when the Ottoman Empire dispatched a naval vessel to Japan for the purpose of saluting the visit of Japanese Prince Komatsu Akihito to Istanbul several years earlier. This frigate was called the Ertugrul, and was destroyed in a storm along the coast of Wakayama Prefecture on the evening of September 16, 1890.

Islam in Japan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I don't see any sword in spread of Islam in Japan.

Regards

 

[Flankerl]

Do you even read what you copy and paste?
Islam basically doesnt exist in Japan. And you know the best part? Thats never going to change.

 

[paarsurrey]

Do you even read what you copy and paste?
Islam basically doesnt exist in Japan. And you know the best part? Thats never going to change.

You are simply wrong. I have Muslim friends there who live there.

Regards

 

[Flankerl]

Which doesnt negate what i wrote.

Such is life.

 

[paarsurrey]

Which doesnt negate what i wrote.

Such is life.

Please observe below:

Local Mosques and the Lives of Muslims in Japan [1]
Kawakami Yasunori

The Muslim community in Japan has a history of about 100 years. For example, an Islamic mosque in Kobe dates from 1935.

Opening of the Tokyo Mosque, 1938

But the number of Muslims was relatively small before the 1980’s. The number of Muslims in Japan grew rapidly in the mid-1980 during the bubble economy. At that time young men from Muslim countries including Pakistan, Bangladesh, and Iran came to Japan and worked in small businesses or factories which experienced labor shortages. But when the controversy over illegal foreign workers began, the Japanese government halted entry on short-term visits without a visa for citizens of Pakistan, Bangladesh and Iran.

Following the collapse of the bubble economy in 1990, a number of Muslims acquired resident status and some obtained legal residence in Japan by marrying Japanese women. There is no accurate record of the religious affiliation of foreign residents in Japan, but we can estimate the approximate number of Muslims from the native countries of foreigners. Keiko Sakurai calculated the number of Muslims in Japan in 2000 to be 63,552 (Nihon no Muslim Shakai (Muslim society in Japan) Chikuma shinsho, 2003). Now many of them have families. They live and work with Japanese and send their children to Japanese schools.

With the passage of time, they began to construct their lives as Muslims. Japanese can see the ‘real Muslims lives’ before their eyes in Japan today. Against the world-wide negative media campaign against Muslims and Islam, it is useful for Japanese to take the opportunity to understand the Muslims in their midst. Morita Toyoko, Kobe University


"Allah Akbar!" (God is great!)

The Yokohama Mosque in Yokohama's Tsuzuki Ward echoes with the sound of Friday prayers chanted in Arabic. Worshippers in the 200-square-meter mosque number about 70 -- Muslims from Asia, Africa and elsewhere. The premises were purchased last summer and then renovated, opening for services at the end of last year.

Before that, Muslims in Yokohama prayed in private apartments. On Friday, the holiest day of the Muslim week, worshippers would gather at one of their apartments for prayers, while police looked askance at the long lines of cars parked outside. Sometimes during the fasting month of Ramadan, police would get calls from neighbors uneasy about the large and mysterious after-sunset gathering of foreigners.

In January 2006, the local Islamic community decided to purchase a two-story reinforced concrete building and turn it into a mosque. The price: 100 million yen. The contract called for a 10 million yen down payment in March, with the remaining 90 million yen to be paid within four months. An appeal went out for contributions from foreign Muslims all over the country -- in Osaka, Nagoya, Toyama, Niigata and Hokkaido.

"There it was, May already, and we'd collected no more than 20 million yen," recalls Iqbal, a 43-year-old Pakistani used car dealer.

Iqbal came to Japan in 1988, and launched his dealership three years later. Now he owns three used car showrooms in Dubai, United Arab Emirates. Business is good, but "When there's no mosque, something important is missing from your life," he says.

A mosque is more than a place of worship. It occupies a central role in Islamic life. Adults not only pray there but also attend sermons as well, given by religious teachers. Children study the Koran there. The mosque collects charity and assists the poor. It forms the core of the Islamic community.

(There is a large and beautiful) Mosque in Yoyogi, Tokyo, Japan.

There are currently between 30 and 40 single-story mosques in Japan, plus another 100 or more apartment rooms set aside, in the absence of more suitable facilities, for prayers. Many Muslim communities have plans to build mosques in the near future.

Mohammad, 38, runs an Asian grocery store in Tsunashima, Yokohama. The Sri Lankan had 520,000 yen in savings, and was thinking of donating 300,000 yen towards the purchase of the mosque. He changed his mind and donated 500,000 yen, virtually emptying his account.

He says: "When you make a contribution to a mosque, God prepares a house for you in heaven. It's thanks to God that I've been able to make my way in Japan up to now. And God will continue to help me in future."

Mohammed, the seventh-century founder of Islam, was a merchant of Mecca, and many passages in the Koran reflect a merchant's manner of thinking -- as, for example: "Who is there who will lend a good loan to God? For He will double it for him, and for him is a generous reward."

The deadline for payment of the 90 million yen was 11 am July 20. On July 10, the community was still 5 million yen short. Iqbal worked the phones, contacting foreign Muslims all over Japan. On the morning of July 20, 2 million yen arrived in cash. That, plus contributions forwarded directly to a special bank account, just made up the required amount.

In Nagoya, local foreign Muslims, most of them used car dealers, got together and purchased for 46 million yen a suburban building that had previously been a clothing store, turning it into the Nagoya Port Mosque, which opened last autumn.

"Wherever in the world Muslims live, it's only natural that there be a mosque," says Hanif, a 36-year-old Sri Lankan.

Local Mosques and the Lives of Muslims in Japan :: JapanFocus

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[Flankerl]

Fascinating. So what? Doesnt negate what i wrote.

Also non-Japanese Muslims dont count in Japan as they arent Japanese citizens.

 

[paarsurrey]

Fascinating. So what? Doesnt negate what i wrote.

Also non-Japanese Muslims dont count in Japan as they arent Japanese citizens.

See a Japanese convert to Ahmadiyya Muslim Jamaat.

Japanese Interview of Muhammad Idrees Qaubayashi with Urdu summary, Islam Ahmadiyya

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Japanese Interview of Muhammad Idrees Qaubayashi with Urdu summary, Islam Ahmadiyya - YouTube

Regards

 

[paarsurrey]

Was Islam spread by the sword?

No.

For example:

Spread of Islam in Japan:[2]

The history of Islam in Japan is relatively brief in relation to the religion's longstanding presence in other countries around the world.

20th century[edit]

The first Japanese to go on the Hajj was Kotaro Yamaoka. He converted to Islam in 1909 in Bombay, after coming into contact with Russian-born writer, Abdürreşid İbrahim, whereupon he took the name Omar Yamaoka. Both were traveling with the support of nationalistic Japanese groups like the Black Dragon Society(Kokuryūkai), Yamaoka in fact had been with the intelligence service in Manchuria since the Russo-Japanese war. His official reason for travelling was to seek the Sultan's approval for building a mosque in Tokyo (completed 1938). This approval, granted 1910, was necessary as Sultan Abdülhamid II of the Ottoman Empire was the Caliph of Islam and Amir al-Mu'minin.

Another early Japanese convert was Bunpachiro Ariga, who about the same time went to India for trading purposes and converted to Islam under the influence of local Muslims there, and subsequently took the name Ahmed Ariga. Yamada Toajiro was from 1892 for almost twenty years the only resident Japanese trader inIstanbul.[4] During this time he served unofficially as consul. He converted to Islam, and took the name Abdul Khalil, and made a pilgrimage to Mecca on his way home.

The real Muslim community life however did not start until the arrival of several hundred Turko-Tatar Muslim refugees from Central Asia and Russia in the wake of the October Revolution. These Muslims, who were given asylum, in Japan settled in several main cities around Japan and formed small communities. They are estimated at less than 600 in 1938 for Japan proper, a few thousand on the continent. Some Japanese converted to Islam through the contact with these Muslims.

Shaykh Ibrahim Sawada, Imam of Ahlulbayt Islamic Center in Tokyo

The Kobe Mosque was built in 1935 with the support of the Turko-Tatar community of traders there. The Tokyo Mosque, planned since 1908 was finally completed in 1938, with generous financial support from the zaibatsu. Its first imams were Abdürreşid İbrahim (1857–1944), who had returned in 1938, and Abdulhay Qorbangali (1889–1972). Japanese Muslims played little role in building these mosques. To date there have been no Japanese who have become Imam of any of the mosques with the exception of Shaykh Ibrahim Sawada, imam of the Ahlulbayt Islamic Centre in Tokyo.[5]

Some Shia Muslim families who were stationed in Tokyo in the 1960s established the first Azadari in Japan.[6] It was mostly a family affair some family used to gather together and listen to audio tapes. In the 1970s, there was a Pakistan business man Syed Ashiq Ali Bukhari who initiated first and majlis were held in his and his friend Nazim Zaidi's residence on a small scale. They used to have majlis in their home from the 7th Muharram till the 12th Muharram. Initially it was mostly audio tapes and later the video tapes were used. This continued till sometime late '70 s when Shia Pakistanis and Iranian workers started coming into Japan. Then with their help the Muharram / Majlis took a more organized Azadari form in Tokyo. From that time onwards each year during Muharram Azadari is performed.

Islam in Japan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I don't see any sword in spread of Islam in Japan.

Regards

 

[paarsurrey]

Fascinating. So what? Doesnt negate what i wrote.

Also non-Japanese Muslims dont count in Japan as they arent Japanese citizens.

We do count them as Muslims in Japan.

Regards

 

[Flankerl]

We do count them as Muslims in Japan.

Regards

What you do is rather unimportant as long as the Japanese dont see them as well... basically subhumans.

Really being a foreigner in Japan is different from other parts of the World. East Asia is a peculiar place when it comes to that.


Which you wont understand. But dont worry iam not expecting anything.

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

What you do is rather unimportant as long as the Japanese dont see them as well... basically subhumans.

Really being a foreigner in Japan is different from other parts of the World. East Asia is a peculiar place when it comes to that.


Which you wont understand. But dont worry iam not expecting anything.

Do you know a Muslim he would go to hell and that he will work against his brief visit to hell against his
Here's a verse in Arabic , وان منكم لواردها وكان امر ربك حكما مقضيا

And also translated cockle
And to you for a command of your Lord a res judicata
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[paarsurrey]

paarsurrey -

2:193

I give below the verse selected by you with the verses in the context:

The Holy Quran : Chapter 2: Al-Baqarah

[2:189] And do not devour your wealth among yourselves through falsehood, and offer it notas bribe to the authorities that you may knowingly devour a part of the wealth of otherpeople with injustice.
[2:190] They ask thee about the new moons. Say, ‘They are means for measuring time forthe general good of mankind and for the Pilgrimage.’ And it is not righteousness that you come into houses by the backs thereof; but truly righteous is he who fears God. And you should come into houses by the doors thereof; and fear Allah that you may prosper.
[2:191] And fight in the cause of Allah against those who fight against you, but do not transgress. Surely, Allah loves not the transgressors.
[2:192] And kill them wherever you meet them and drive them out from where they have driven you out; for persecution is worse than killing. And fight them not in, and near, the Sacred Mosque until they fight you therein. But if they fight you, then fight them: such is the requital for the disbelievers.
[2:193] But if they desist, then surely Allah is Most Forgiving, Merciful.
[2:194] And fight them until there is no persecution, and religion is freely professed for Allah. But if they desist, then remember that no hostility is allowed except against the aggressors.
[2:195] The violation of a Sacred Month should be retaliated in the Sacred Month; and forall sacred things there is the law of retaliation. So, whoso transgresses against you, punish him for his transgression to the extent to which he has transgressed against you. And fear Allah and know that Allah is with those who fear Him.
[2:196] And spend for the cause of Allah, and cast not yourselves into ruin with your own hands, and do good; surely, Allah loves those who do good.
[2:197] And complete the Hajj and the ‘Umrah for the sake of Allah: but if you are kept back, then make whatever offering is easily available; and do not shave your heads until the offering reaches its destination. And whoever among you is sick or has an ailment of the head, should make an expiation either by fasting or almsgiving or a sacrifice. But when you are safe, then he, who would avail himself of the ‘Umrah together with the Hajj, should make whatever offering is easily obtainable. But such of you as cannot find an offeringshould fast three days during the Pilgrimage, and seven when you return home; these are ten complete. This is for him whose family does not reside near the Sacred Mosque. And fear Allah and know that Allah is severe in punishing.
[2:198] The months of the Hajj are well known; so whoever determines to perform the Pilgrimage in these months, should remember that there is to be no foul talk, nor any transgression, nor any quarrelling during the Pilgrimage. And whatever good you do, Allah knows it. And furnish yourselves with necessary provisions, and surely, the best provision is righteousness. And fear Me alone, O men of understanding.

The Holy Quran Arabic text with Translation in English text and Search Engine - Al Islam Online

Below each verse at the above Quran site there is “Detailed English Commentary” which may be read by clicking it. Every important word and concept is elaborated there. One may read it.
Please prove you viewpoint from the verse and the verses in the context.

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[icehorse]

Hey paarsurrey - I'm going to concede a point on this one - it was a bad verse to pick. The reason is that the Quranic version of "defensive" is important to understand this verse, and the definition of "defensive" is complicated and a distraction from the main point.

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How about 4:94 - 4:97. And if I have to pick just one, I'll pick 4:95, the verse that starts with "Not equal are those who sit at home..."

 

[paarsurrey]

Hey paarsurrey - I'm going to concede a point on this one - it was a bad verse to pick. The reason is that the Quranic version of "defensive" is important to understand this verse, and the definition of "defensive" is complicated and a distraction from the main point.

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How about 4:94 - 4:97. And if I have to pick just one, I'll pick 4:95, the verse that starts with "Not equal are those who sit at home..."

Never-mind, we take up the verse now selected by you along-with the verses in the context.

The Holy Quran : Chapter 4: Al-Nisa'

[4:91] Except those who are connected with a people between whom and you there is a pact, or those who come to you, while their hearts shrink from fighting you or fighting their own people. And if Allah had so pleased, He would have given them power over you, then they would have surely fought you. So, if they keep aloof from you and fight you not, and make you an offer of peace, then remember that Allah has allowed you no way of aggression against them.
[4:92] You will find others who desire to be secure from you and to be secure from their own people. Whenever they are made to revert to hostility, they fall headlong into it. Therefore, if they do not keep aloof from you nor offer you peace nor restrain their hands, then seize them and kill them, wherever you find them. Against these We have given you clear authority.
[4:93] It does not become a believer to kill a believer unless it be by mistake. And he who kills a believer by mistake shall free a believing slave, and pay blood money to be handed over to his heirs, unless they remit it as charity. But if the person slain be of a people hostile to you, and be a believer, then the offender shall free a believing slave; and if he be of a people between whom and you is a pact, then the offender shall pay blood money to be handed over to his heirs, and free a believing slave. But whoso finds not one, then he shall fast for two consecutive months — a mercy from Allah. And Allah is All-Knowing, Wise.
[4:94] And whoso kills a believer intentionally, his reward shall be Hell wherein he shall abide. And Allah will be wroth with him and will curse him and will prepare for him a great punishment.
[4:95] O ye who believe! when you go forth in the cause of Allah, make proper investigation and say not to anyone who greets you with the greeting of peace, ‘Thou art not a believer.’ You seek the goods of this life, but with Allah are good things in plenty. Such were you before this, but Allah conferred His special favour on you; so do make proper investigation. Surely, Allah is well aware of what you do.
[4:96] Those of the believers who sit still, excepting the disabled ones, and those who strive in the cause of Allah with their wealth and their persons, are not equal. Allah has exalted in rank those who strive with their wealth and their persons above those who sit still. And to each Allah has promised good. And Allah has exalted those who strive above those who sitstill, by a great reward,
[4:97] Namely, by degrees of excellence bestowed by Him, and by special forgiveness and mercy. And Allah is Most Forgiving, Merciful.
[4:98] Verily, those whom the angels cause to die while they are wronging their own souls, they (the angels) will say to them: ‘What were you after?’ They will reply: ‘We were treated as weak in the land.’ They will say, ‘Was not Allah’s earth vast enough for you to emigrate therein?’ It is these whose abode shall be Hell, and an evil destination it is;
[4:99] Except such weak ones among men, women and children, as are incapable of adopting any plan or of finding any way.
[4:100] As to these, maybe Allah will efface their sins; for Allah is the Effacer of sins, and isMost Forgiving.
[4:101] And whoso emigrates from his country in the cause of Allah will find in the earth an abundant place of refuge and plentifulness. And whoso goes forth from his home, emigrating in the cause of Allah and His Messenger, and death overtakes him, his reward lies on Allah, and Allah is Most Forgiving, Merciful.

1. The Holy Quran Arabic text with Translation in English text and Search Engine - Al Islam Online
2. The Holy Quran

Below each verse at the above Quran site there is “Detailed English Commentary” which may be read by clicking it so that we come to the same page for understanding. Every important word and concept is elaborated there. One may please read it.

Kindly prove you viewpoint from the verse and the verses in the context.

Regards

 

[icehorse]

The translation I read has been printed over 260 MILLION times. Here's what it says about these few verses:

4:94 O you who believe! When you go (to fight) in the cause of Allah, verify (the truth), and say not to anyone who greets your (by embracing Islam)": "You are not a believer"; seeking the perishable goods of the wordly life. There are much more profits and booties with Allah. Even as he is now, so were you yourselves before till Allah conferred on you His Favours (i.e. guided you to Islam), therefore, be cautious in discrimination. Allah is Ever Well-Aware of what you do.

4:95 Not equal are those of the believers who sit (at home), except those who are disabled (by injury or are blind or lame), and those who strive hard and fight in the Cause of Allah with their wealth and their lives. Allah has preferred in grades those who stive hard and fight with their wealth and their lives above those to sit (at home). Unto each, Allah has promised good (Paradise), but Allah has preferred those who strive hard and fight, above those who sit (at home), by a huge reward.

4:97 commands Muslims NOT to live with non-believers, but to emigrate or else they'll go to hell.

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So those Muslims who fight get the best seats in Paradise, and those Muslims who live with non-believers will go to hell.

This is NOT a peaceful message, the message here is to hold an "us vs. them" divide between people - the opposite of peace.

 

[paarsurrey]

The translation I read has been printed over 260 MILLION times. Here's what it says about these few verses:



4:97 commands Muslims NOT to live with non-believers, but to emigrate or else they'll go to hell.

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So those Muslims who fight get the best seats in Paradise, and those Muslims who live with non-believers will go to hell.

This is NOT a peaceful message, the message here is to hold an "us vs. them" divide between people - the opposite of peace.

Simply wrong. Kindly don't see the verses in isolation.
Please read the verses along-with the verses in the context.

Regards

 

[icehorse]

hi paarsurrey - remember i said 4:94-4:97 - not in isolation

so tell me how you'd interpret these verses, they seem extremely clear to me - if you fight, you get the best spots in paradise.