Hey, I try to help when I think you need it. For the most part, you are doing very well, regardless of what your detractors would have readers believe. Just sayin'...
I am lost. I was not commenting on anything you said. I was responding to another person's comments about finding critiquing Islam something that is the focus of censorship many times. I was agreeing and telling them to throw in some IMOs and no one should complain (but they will anyway). I have been debating for years and have found Muslims to be the most indifferent to historically reliable information of any. I would rather debate Islam than anything and love Shabir Alli, but most simply deny inconvenient facts instead of debating them and eventually bail in the middle of a discussion.
Some of us are following this thread - with interest. It does help to be well informed on the subject to begin with though and that is where the vast majority are at a disadvantage. To those who know little about Islam or the life of Muhammad, virtually all we know about him and the early days of Islam is written by ardent followers. It is because of this inherent fanaticism that there is also an inherent white-washing, giving Muhammad a much higher profile that unbiased scholars might have been inclined to pass down to us.
The only credit history justifies for Muhammad is not flattering. Have you ever heard Shabir. He is a better Muslim debater than all the rest of the modern crop combined and very respectful? His skill, knowledge, and sincerity is worthy of a better cause.
When you see the vast array of things the Muslim chroniclers thought to tell us about you can well imagine the nature of things they may well have deliberately decided to leave well enough alone.
If just what the accepted Muslim sources have claimed is not the lowest depths of what Muhammad has done, he must have been a human plague
IMO. We have Islamic historical records of torture, murder for selfish reasons more often than not, plagiarizing, the mangling of history and Biblical events, satanic verses, curses, and womanizing. Combined with modern denials of a nation's right to exist, Islamic units of the Wauffen SS fighting for Hitler, and the ever present terrorism. I have no idea what can be worse than calling all that not just good, but Holy. But sadly your are probably right in saying there is more and worse that isn't recorded.
