Was Muhammad a good man?

[1robin]

Astrologers of the middle ages didn't record the event. :biglaugh:

I do not see the humor in that statement of fact.

Many have witnessed the event according to the hadith,but you don't believe it but believe the other hadith that goes with your mood in bashing Islam.

I was unaware of any other Hadith but if it does exist then I have it plus no record outside Islam for this event that would have been observed by millions. Who is biased again? Apparently NASA is biased as well.


Apollo mission photographs of the Rima Ariadaeus revealed a rift line across the surface of the moon. In 2007,[15] Dr. Zaghloul El Najjar used these photos to circulate a hoax, further propagated by news services such as Jafariya News,[16] claiming that NASA had proven that the Moon had split.[17][18] NASA scientists have stated that no evidence exists that Moon was split into two or more parts any time in the past. NASA scientist Brad Bailey commented, "My recommendation is to not believe everything you read on the internet. Peer-reviewed papers are the only scientifically valid sources of information out there. No current scientific evidence reports that the Moon was split into two (or more) parts and then reassembled at any point in the past."[19]
Splitting of the moon - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Of course if Islamic scientists had been there as the Christians have we would know more.

God won't care if you'll find an evidence in the moon.

Miracles are given for reasons. A miracle that no one cared about and has no evidence has no function.

Do you think it is hard for God to re-connect the moon without leaving any evidence of splitting.

What would be the point of doing a miracle then hiding it. I have no use for a schizophrenic God. Only in Islam is no evidence, proof and the records of people like Cheraman Perumal who were not even alive at the time a certainty.

The prophet was concerned that his people will observe the event and not the Japanese or the west europeans ... in their dark ages and their famous astrologers at those times.

So everyone else was just too stupid to notice the moon splitting into. What is next?

Do you have any evidence that Jesus did the miracles such as walking on water,so why you have to believe it,because of your blind faith,why you believe that Jesus was born without a sperm,what evidence you have ? blind faith.

First of all you believe he did so this is not the issue but only a distraction. Second the miracles he did were not the type that SHOULD have been record by people all over the world. A lack of evidence is only a lack if there is reason to expect more. The people who would have given anything to question Jesus original and genealogy did not even attempt to because they had no case. They kept detailed records for the purpose of locating the Messiah yet never even challenged Christ's lineage.

Your excuse for not believing the hadith that God should left a sign that the moon was splitted.

Left what sign? What are you talking about? There is no sign, buy a telescope, read non Islamic history. Or even Islamic history that is not propaganda like this one:
Second

The second issue which gives us evidence that Muhammad did not split the moon (with his index fingers) is that the Quran gives us clear evidence that Muhammad did not have any personal miracles.

In 17:90-93 God tells us how the disbelievers went to Muhammad and asked him to produce any miracle to prove to them that he is a genuine messenger, but God commanded Muhammad to just say that he is no more than a human being who was given a message from God, or in other words he does not have any personal miracles to show them:
Quran-Islam.org - True Islam

Or this one:
The main problem is that it contradicts the Quran itself. In various places Muhammad admitted that he could not perform miracles. When asked for miracles his response was:
Glory be to my Lord; am I aught but a mortal messenger? Q. 17: 93
In another place he put the following words in the mouth of Allah:
And those who disbelieve say: Why has not a sign been sent down upon him from his Lord? You are only a warner. Q. 13: 07
Muhammad insisted that even though other prophets had miracles, his only miracle is the Quran. So when Muslims claim that Muhammad performed miracles, they are going against the Quran itself. (See the article Did Muhammad Perform Miracles?)
The other problem with this claim is that this astronomical phenomenon should have been observed, not just in Mecca, but all over the world. Many nations have recorded even eclipses, why there is no mention of such a thing that for sure would have been the most amazing phenomenon?
Moiz Amjad, one scholar that answers questions for Understanding-Islam.com says, “I have not yet come across any historical accounts of other nations, which refer to the incident.” He thinks this is “a sign of the promised hour.”
Curiously the same site contradicts itself and claims that in fact a certain king of India observed the splitting of the Moon and he sent his son to Mecca who converted to Islam and upon returning he died in Yemen.
This story is of course another hoax. There is no mention of an Indian converting to Islam during the life of Muhammad in any version of Sira. One ridiculous fabrication was the claim that the astronauts who landed on the Moon heard the adhan (Muslim call to prayer) being chanted there. Muslims have based their entire faith on these fairy tales.
First of all there is no record that any King of India ever visited Muhammad.
Secondly the splitting of Moon should have been observed by everyone all over the world and not just by one king.
Thirdly, assuming that this Indian king saw the Moon splitting, how could he interpret this cosmic phenomenon as the sign that there has appeared a new prophet in Mecca? Muslims claim that Indian scriptures contain predictions about the coming of a messenger from Arabia. This is bull. There is no mention of Muhammad in any sacred book of any religion.
Moon Split or Islamic Hoax? | Alisina.org

Why God should care,God if wanted then he can shout in every ones ear that Jesus is his son and we should worship him for the salvation.

What does this mean?

And if We had so willed, We could have given every soul its guidance, but the word from Me concerning evildoers took effect: that I will fill hell with the jinn and mankind together. (32:13)

Yes Allah seems to take special delight filling Hell up with his creations. The Quran has more verses on who Allah does not love that I am wiling to read. How does that split the moon?

 

[FearGod]

I do not see the humor in that statement of fact.

You were saying the Astrologers of the world didn't record the incident,
Which astrologers,the Amerinds or the European in the dark ages.

I was unaware of any other Hadith but if it does exist then I have it plus no record outside Islam for this event that would have been observed by millions. Who is biased again? Apparently NASA is biased as well.

Why it should be observed by millions.

Do you think people walk and their faces to the sky ,the incident happened at one glance and not for days.

What NASA has to do with an incident that happened 1400 years ago

Apollo mission photographs of the Rima Ariadaeus revealed a rift line across the surface of the moon. In 2007,[15] Dr. Zaghloul El Najjar used these photos to circulate a hoax, further propagated by news services such as Jafariya News,[16] claiming that NASA had proven that the Moon had split.[17][18] NASA scientists have stated that no evidence exists that Moon was split into two or more parts any time in the past. NASA scientist Brad Bailey commented, "My recommendation is to not believe everything you read on the internet. Peer-reviewed papers are the only scientifically valid sources of information out there. No current scientific evidence reports that the Moon was split into two (or more) parts and then reassembled at any point in the past."[19]
Splitting of the moon - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

i don't trust Nasa as i don't trust the US politicians too.

Of course if Islamic scientists had been there as the Christians have we would know more.

Better to spend money for feeding the poors than spending billions of dollars to say we found trace of water in Mars.

Miracles are given for reasons. A miracle that no one cared about and has no evidence has no function.

What kind of function ?what do you mean that it has no function.

What would be the point of doing a miracle then hiding it. I have no use for a schizophrenic God. Only in Islam is no evidence, proof and the records of people like Cheraman Perumal who were not even alive at the time a certainty.

Miracles were done at those times but we have the quran as a living miracle.

So everyone else was just too stupid to notice the moon splitting into. What is next?

Do you watch the moon the whole night,if not,then the ancient people were too looking to their girlfriends and not the moon of the sky,but to another moon.

First of all you believe he did so this is not the issue but only a distraction. Second the miracles he did were not the type that SHOULD have been record by people all over the world. A lack of evidence is only a lack if there is reason to expect more. The people who would have given anything to question Jesus original and genealogy did not even attempt to because they had no case. They kept detailed records for the purpose of locating the Messiah yet never even challenged Christ's lineage.

Narrated Jabir bin 'Abdullah: I was with the Prophet and the time for the 'Asr prayer became due. We had no water with us except a little which was put in a vessel and was brought to perform ablution. The blessing is from Allah." I saw the water gushing out from his fingers. So the people performed the ablution and drank, and I tried to drink more of that water (beyond my thirst and capacity), for I knew that it was a blessing. The subnarrator said : I asked Jabir, "How many persons were you then?" He replied, " We were one thousand four hundred men." (Salim said: Jabir said - 1500).
(Sahih Al-Bukhari, Vol.7, Hadith No. 543)

Should that be recorded by the whole world too.

Left what sign? What are you talking about? There is no sign, buy a telescope, read non Islamic history. Or even Islamic history that is not propaganda like this one:
Second

The second issue which gives us evidence that Muhammad did not split the moon (with his index fingers) is that the Quran gives us clear evidence that Muhammad did not have any personal miracles.

In 17:90-93 God tells us how the disbelievers went to Muhammad and asked him to produce any miracle to prove to them that he is a genuine messenger, but God commanded Muhammad to just say that he is no more than a human being who was given a message from God, or in other words he does not have any personal miracles to show them:
Quran-Islam.org - True Islam

Of course the messenger won't perform any miracle except by god's power and permission,he can't make it by his own

Or this one:
The main problem is that it contradicts the Quran itself. In various places Muhammad admitted that he could not perform miracles. When asked for miracles his response was:
Glory be to my Lord; am I aught but a mortal messenger? Q. 17: 93
In another place he put the following words in the mouth of Allah:
And those who disbelieve say: Why has not a sign been sent down upon him from his Lord? You are only a warner. Q. 13: 07
Muhammad insisted that even though other prophets had miracles, his only miracle is the Quran. So when Muslims claim that Muhammad performed miracles, they are going against the Quran itself. (See the article Did Muhammad Perform Miracles?)
The other problem with this claim is that this astronomical phenomenon should have been observed, not just in Mecca, but all over the world. Many nations have recorded even eclipses, why there is no mention of such a thing that for sure would have been the most amazing phenomenon?
Moiz Amjad, one scholar that answers questions for Understanding-Islam.com says, “I have not yet come across any historical accounts of other nations, which refer to the incident.” He thinks this is “a sign of the promised hour.”
Curiously the same site contradicts itself and claims that in fact a certain king of India observed the splitting of the Moon and he sent his son to Mecca who converted to Islam and upon returning he died in Yemen.
This story is of course another hoax. There is no mention of an Indian converting to Islam during the life of Muhammad in any version of Sira. One ridiculous fabrication was the claim that the astronauts who landed on the Moon heard the adhan (Muslim call to prayer) being chanted there. Muslims have based their entire faith on these fairy tales.
First of all there is no record that any King of India ever visited Muhammad.
Secondly the splitting of Moon should have been observed by everyone all over the world and not just by one king.
Thirdly, assuming that this Indian king saw the Moon splitting, how could he interpret this cosmic phenomenon as the sign that there has appeared a new prophet in Mecca? Muslims claim that Indian scriptures contain predictions about the coming of a messenger from Arabia. This is bull. There is no mention of Muhammad in any sacred book of any religion.
Moon Split or Islamic Hoax? | Alisina.org

Messengers don't perform miracles by themselves,they are just humans.
if the disbelievers asked for miracles and God doesn't want them to see any miracle then they'll never see any miracle.

When Abu Talib the uncle of the prophet was dying,the prophet was worried that his uncle will die as a disbeliever because he didn't accept Islam and the prophet loved his uncle very much and God sent the verse

Lo! thou (O Muhammad) guidest not whom thou lovest, but Allah guideth whom He will. And He is Best Aware of those who walk aright. (28:56)

Yes Allah seems to take special delight filling Hell up with his creations. The Quran has more verses on who Allah does not love that I am wiling to read. How does that split the moon?

Yes,Jesus loves us and he killed himself to pay for our sins,so we are here for picnic on earth.

Your ticket for salvation is to believe on Jesus,all sins are forgiven.

If god loves you why you have to suffer on earth in the first place.
Why there are earthquakes ? why there are disasters ? why there are diseases ?
So if you think God is Love,then thats not true and you just live with a lie.
But God may love and may hate,he has mercy and he has severe punishment.

 

[ImprobableBeing]

You were saying the Astrologers of the world didn't record the incident,
Which astrologers,the Amerinds or the European in the dark ages.

Well when it comes to astrologers it comes down to what sign you were born in.

Next up cosmetologists speak up on the orbits of the planets, more lipstick is needed they say.

I think you people have astronomers and astrologers confused.

 

[Meeka_S]

Muhammad was a good man, and also we should respect him because I believe in respecting other religions

 

[1robin]

Muhammad was a good man, and also we should respect him because I believe in respecting other religions

A religion if true is the greatest of things and if false the worst of all things. Respect is not demanded but earned. Islam bears every mark of a false religion. I would be doing mankind a great wrong to respect a false religion.

 

[AmbiguousGuy]

A religion if true is the greatest of things and if false the worst of all things. Respect is not demanded but earned. Islam bears every mark of a false religion. I would be doing mankind a great wrong to respect a false religion.

Thanks for showing me the way to rationalize my behavior.

Next time I feel the need to trash the false religion of Christianity, I will not resist but will go ahead and do mankind a favor by shining a bright light on Christianity's falseness.

Jesus was a bad man!!

 

[1robin]

You were saying the Astrologers of the world didn't record the incident,
Which astrologers,the Amerinds or the European in the dark ages.

I said no astrologer on Earth. Why do you need more than everything? In every nation that existed at that time there were people watching the sky and recording anything of significance that took place. Not one (beyond a Muslim lie about an Indian king who was not even alive then) single person anywhere (professional or just appreciating the stars) noticed what would have been the greatest astronomical even in history. Only Islam claim no evidence is proof.

Why it should be observed by millions.

Good Lord fearGod. There were probably over 1 billion people of Earth at the time. Is it ridiculous to suggest that 1 in 1000 would have known the moon splitting. Regardless there were none that did outside of a group that was motivated to lie.

Do you think people walk and their faces to the sky ,the incident happened at one glance and not for days.

This is the most absurd argument I have ever seen for anything at any time. For you to be right the moon split and no one noticed, including people who's profession it was to watch for events in the heavens and record them. They must have all blinked at the same time I guess. Even you must admit just how insane your argument must sound to anyone not brainwashed on Islam. If you make an argument like this you automatically loose all credibility for calling anyone biased ever again.

What NASA has to do with an incident that happened 1400 years ago

Ask those Muslim that doctored their photos. NASA (not Islam) has been to the moon. Not one has ever suggested (they have in fact denied) the event or one like it ever took place on the moon in our history.

i don't trust Nasa as i don't trust the US politicians too.

I do not trust US politicians but NASA must get it right or we would not have moon rocks in the museums. My family was involved with NASA during it's hey day. There has never been a greater concentration in geniuses in Earth history. If you wish to believe a lie that is your business but denying NASA, geologists, cosmologists, and every record of the times outside of those that invented the lie just looks silly and lowers Islam's credibility even further.

Better to spend money for feeding the poors than spending billions of dollars to say we found trace of water in Mars.

That is a whole different issue. No one has given more to charity than conservative Christianity. It is the most generous demographic on Earth. Islam can't feed its self. Whenever a international crisis happens it is the Christian nations that are first and most on the scene. Islam is hardly ever even bothered to show up. They have no basis for questioning what NASA does with it's money. (which is far less than 1% of our budget).

What kind of function ?what do you mean that it has no function.

To edify faith. Regardless what it's function is or was if it produced nothing it accomplished nothing.

Miracles were done at those times but we have the quran as a living miracle.

The Quran is not even good literature. It is a haphazard jumbled train wreck of thought fragments, incorrect history, diabolical teachings, horrendous events, and stuff plagiarized from previous texts. Homer, Shakespeare, Themistocles, Thucydides, and countless others excel the Quran in every category. Muhammad did not miracles and said so.

Do you watch the moon the whole night,if not,then the ancient people were too looking to their girlfriends and not the moon of the sky,but to another moon.

I am not an astrologer. This is just nuts. This is not helping Islam's credibility. Many men had the sole job of recording celestial events in most nations at the time. Yet recorded the tiniest events but no splitting of the moon. If it makes you feel better to think they all passed out at that moment go ahead but this looks ridiculous and more biased than you can imagine.

Narrated Jabir bin 'Abdullah: I was with the Prophet and the time for the 'Asr prayer became due. We had no water with us except a little which was put in a vessel and was brought to perform ablution. The blessing is from Allah." I saw the water gushing out from his fingers. So the people performed the ablution and drank, and I tried to drink more of that water (beyond my thirst and capacity), for I knew that it was a blessing. The subnarrator said : I asked Jabir, "How many persons were you then?" He replied, " We were one thousand four hundred men." (Salim said: Jabir said - 1500).
(Sahih Al-Bukhari, Vol.7, Hadith No. 543)

To argue for one miracle with no evidence you post another. If you wish to discuss this claim that is fine but it will have to wait until the moon's non-splitting is concluded. It was your scholars I posted that said Muhammad did no miracles not mine. I can't help it if Muslims are inconsistent on even the most basic of facts.

Should that be recorded by the whole world too.

That one should not have been because it did not take place in a night sky that was being observed in minute detail by professionals around the world. How does that help you case. You can take anything on faith that you wish as I do. However things that should have been observed but were not are pathetic arguments.

Of course the messenger won't perform any miracle except by god's power and permission,he can't make it by his own

When directly asked he refused. He could have done it by Allah's power if he wish but denied he could do them at all. I do not care what the source is there is virtually no evidence he did.

Messengers don't perform miracles by themselves,they are just humans.
if the disbelievers asked for miracles and God doesn't want them to see any miracle then they'll never see any miracle.

I do not care what the ultimate source was. I care if history agrees they were done. It does not in the case of the moon and what scraps of evidence there is for others is contradicted by other claims and exists only in these writings that were biased.

When Abu Talib the uncle of the prophet was dying,the prophet was worried that his uncle will die as a disbeliever because he didn't accept Islam and the prophet loved his uncle very much and God sent the verse

Lo! thou (O Muhammad) guidest not whom thou lovest, but Allah guideth whom He will. And He is Best Aware of those who walk aright. (28:56)

I am quite well aware that Muhammad had revelations as needed. If he wanted more wives Allah told him he could, if he wanted to erase a previous revelation Allah told him to, if he needed to agree with polytheists he was allowed to, and if he wanted to wipe out a group of people he was told to. The convenience of Muhammad's revelations are one of the greatest arguments against the Quran. Allah has more in common with a genie than a God.

Yes,Jesus loves us and he killed himself to pay for our sins,so we are here for picnic on earth.

I have no idea what that even means.

Your ticket for salvation is to believe on Jesus,all sins are forgiven.

Yes, I believed and spiritually met him and so have billions of others. Islam does not have this confirmation available and you will not know your wrong until it is too late to repent. The same as all other false theologies in history.

If god loves you why you have to suffer on earth in the first place.

Exactly how many subjects are you going to mention instead of giving evidence for the moon splitting? You believe we suffer and you believe God loves us so why are you asking me this?

Why there are earthquakes ? why there are disasters ? why there are diseases ?
So if you think God is Love,then thats not true and you just live with a lie.
But God may love and may hate,he has mercy and he has severe punishment.

You also believe these things although Allah appears to hate far more people that the Biblical God does so why are you asking me why I believe what you already do? When man told God to take a hike and that we would take our chances, he took his supervision off of nature and it nor operates by amoral law alone except when he intervenes. The universe is broken and will only be made right when Christ returns (not Muhammad).

 

[1robin]

Thanks for showing me the way to rationalize my behavior.

Next time I feel the need to trash the false religion of Christianity, I will not resist but will go ahead and do mankind a favor by shining a bright light on Christianity's falseness.

Jesus was a bad man!!

Do what you wish, I no longer care very much. You will have no more luck condemning Jesus that the Jews did. He conquered death, I do not think you are much of a challenge.

 

[FearGod]

A religion if true is the greatest of things and if false the worst of all things. Respect is not demanded but earned. Islam bears every mark of a false religion. I would be doing mankind a great wrong to respect a false religion.

Do you want muslims to believe that all sins are forgiven and jesus to be the son of God as for Islam to be a right religion.

Islam is submission to the creator so it is not a name of a person such as christ (Jesus) or according to one nation or tribe such as jews...etc

I found it to be rational from even the title to be the real and true religion while all others are following the false path which are fanatic in following a person or a tribe...etc.

There is no way but to accept the fact that we are all submitters to the one God.

Job 22:21
“Submit to God and be at peace with him; in this way prosperity will come to you.

 

[MeLtiZBleaCh]

Can someone anwser me this. Will I be a bad man if I marry a young girl(Just reached puberty = minimum 9 years old)

 

[1robin]

Do you want muslims to believe that all sins are forgiven and jesus to be the son of God as for Islam to be a right religion.

I wish that every Muslim would believe the Gospel message of course.

Islam is submission to the creator so it is not a name of a person such as christ (Jesus) or according to one nation or tribe such as jews...etc

That does not make it true.

I found it to be rational from even the title to be the real and true religion while all others are following the false path which are fanatic in following a person or a tribe...etc.

I have given countless reasons to believe it is not from God. Claiming to like the name does not have any effect on any of them.

There is no way but to accept the fact that we are all submitters to the one God.

There are many other ways. I believe you are submitted to a God who does no exist, I believe Muhammad was not from God, and I believe the Quran is not from God. You may disagree but more evidence than is necessary exists to justify that belief. Allah claims things that are completely opposite to Yahweh. They can't both be God.

Job 22:21
“Submit to God and be at peace with him; in this way prosperity will come to you.

I agree with the principle but would that go for Zeus, Apollo, Krishna, Agdistis or Angdistis
Ah Puch
Ahura Mazda
Alberich
Allah
Amaterasu SUN GODS AND GODDESSES
An
Anahita WAR GODS AND GODDESSES
Anansi
Anat
Andvari
Anshar
Anu


Aphrodite LOVE GODDESSES
Apollo SUN GODS AND GODDESSES
Apsu
Ares WAR GODS AND GODDESSES
Artemis MOON GODS AND GODDESSES
Asclepius
Athena WAR GODS AND GODDESSES
Athirat
Athtart
LOVE GODDESSES | WAR GODS AND GODDESSES
Atlas
Major Gods and Goddesses of the World

NO? Then why must it for Allah?

 

[AmbiguousGuy]

Do what you wish, I no longer care very much. You will have no more luck condemning Jesus that the Jews did. He conquered death, I do not think you are much of a challenge.

Yeah, and Paul Bunyon chopped down redwoods with one swipe of his ax.

And Superman can see through walls.

If you believe the Jesus and Bunyon and Superman stories, then you believe them, but since you say that attacking false religions is a good thing, I will be doing all I can to help young people avoid believing in Bible magic any more than they believe in folklore magic or comic book magic.

 

[FearGod]

I wish that every Muslim would believe the Gospel message of course.

I wish as well that every christian would believe that God has no son and that God is only one as in Judaism too.

That does not make it true.

How could you know ?

I have given countless reasons to believe it is not from God. Claiming to like the name does not have any effect on any of them.

Which reasons other than God for you is a lovely father who killed his only son to pay for the sins of the evildoers.

There are many other ways. I believe you are submitted to a God who does no exist, I believe Muhammad was not from God, and I believe the Quran is not from God. You may disagree but more evidence than is necessary exists to justify that belief. Allah claims things that are completely opposite to Yahweh. They can't both be God.

So how you know that Yahweh is the real God and all other Gods are false ones.
Would you pls describe your God.

I agree with the principle but would that go for Zeus, Apollo, Krishna, Agdistis or Angdistis
Ah Puch
Ahura Mazda
Alberich
Allah
Amaterasu SUN GODS AND GODDESSES
An
Anahita WAR GODS AND GODDESSES
Anansi
Anat
Andvari
Anshar
Anu


Aphrodite LOVE GODDESSES
Apollo SUN GODS AND GODDESSES
Apsu
Ares WAR GODS AND GODDESSES
Artemis MOON GODS AND GODDESSES
Asclepius
Athena WAR GODS AND GODDESSES
Athirat
Athtart
LOVE GODDESSES | WAR GODS AND GODDESSES
Atlas
Major Gods and Goddesses of the World

NO? Then why must it for Allah?

That's ridiculous.

Then why must it for Jesus.
So you think that your God is the real one and the others are false ones.

 

[1robin]

Yeah, and Paul Bunyon chopped down redwoods with one swipe of his ax.

And Superman can see through walls.

If you believe the Jesus and Bunyon and Superman stories, then you believe them, but since you say that attacking false religions is a good thing, I will be doing all I can to help young people avoid believing in Bible magic any more than they believe in folklore magic or comic book magic.

What the Holy heck was that? Does Paul Bunyan have a church somewhere?

 

[AmbiguousGuy]

What the Holy heck was that? Does Paul Bunyan have a church somewhere?

Paul Bunyon and Jesus Christ were both fictional characters who could do magic. We shouldn't take them too seriously.

(I'm still following your advice to go hard on the false religions. Otherwise I wouldn't speak this way about Jesus. It seems discourteous, almost ugly.)

 

[1robin]

Paul Bunyon and Jesus Christ were both fictional characters who could do magic. We shouldn't take them too seriously.

(I'm still following your advice to go hard on the false religions. Otherwise I wouldn't speak this way about Jesus. It seems discourteous, almost ugly.)

No professional scholars believe the mystical version of Paul Bunyan ever existed. Almost all NT scholars from all sides believe Christ did. You are going to have to actually find two things that are actually equal before lessons from equalities can be drawn. Better luck next time.

 

[AmbiguousGuy]

No professional scholars believe the mystical version of Paul Bunyan ever existed. Almost all NT scholars from all sides believe Christ did.

It's funny. You always agree with me when I observe that Truth is not a matter of majority opinion.

Yet you constantly post arguments which appeal to majority opinion.

It's kinda weird.

Anyway, any God who claims to do magic tricks like rising from the dead and such is not a true God. All spiritual straight-thinkers agree with me about that, so....

 

[YmirGF]

Anyway, any God who claims to do magic tricks like rising from the dead and such is not a true God. All spiritual straight-thinkers agree with me about that, so....

:danana::danana::danana:

LOL. So.... anyone who does not agree with you is not a so-called "spiritual straight-thinker". Um, that is very rich. This begs the question, "Was Muhammad a spiritual straight-thinker?"

 

[1robin]

It's funny. You always agree with me when I observe that Truth is not a matter of majority opinion.

I did not say it was true. I said the evidence for the two are massively different and al in Christ's favor. So any comparison is dishonest and just plain silly. We must decide historical claims by probabilities not certainties. They all suggest Christ existed and the mythical Bunyan did not. Historical claims are never established to a certainty.

Yet you constantly post arguments which appeal to majority opinion.

It's kinda weird.

Get a grip and read slower.

Anyway, any God who claims to do magic tricks like rising from the dead and such is not a true God. All spiritual straight-thinkers agree with me about that, so....

People who know more than you ever will or any other expert in testimony and law draw the opposite conclusions. When you found a law school, create legal text books, and occupy every high court office in the largest empire in history then you may have the credibility to contend with my scholars. Until then certainty does not exist but the weight of the evidence in every category puts all probabilities on my claim's side.

 

[AmbiguousGuy]

LOL. So.... anyone who does not agree with you is not a so-called "spiritual straight-thinker".

Obviously. I'm not sure how to say it any more clearly.

This begs the question, "Was Muhammad a spiritual straight-thinker?"

Depends on whether he believed in a magical God.