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Was Pilate totally blameless for crucifying Jesus?

fantome profane

Anti-Woke = Anti-Justice
Premium Member
As for the Gospels it has been observed that the latter they were written down the more strongly they emphasized the innocence of Pilate. Make of that what you will.
 

fallingblood

Agnostic Theist
I'm the OP and I am operating under the belief that Pilate and Jesus were there together. As far a the dialogue that went on, who knows?

If you think there was no trial, that's fine. It's a possibility. I'd like to hear your reason why(some of you did this, thank you). If you think Pilate had a good reason to have Jesus crucified, what would be the reason?

Thank you

The main problem was that it occurred during Passover. This was a time in which the Jews were celebrating freedom from bondage (the story in Exodus). That in itself would have created some tension. Then there was the matter of a multitude of people being there, which was more tension. So we have a time with a lot of tension, and it was also a time that revolt could easily break out.

Then throw in a Jewish leader who was preaching about the Kingdom of God, which from other literature from around the time we are told would replace the Eartly kingdom or in this case Rome), and you have the potential for a lot of problems. Rome put down a number of such leaders before and after Jesus. So basically he was seen as a danger.

Now you mentioned the scene in the temple with the money changers. I personally find that story a little difficult. Mainly because if that was the reason for his death, they should have arrested him right there. Instead, he comes back again and no one seems to care. Basically what I am suggesting then is that the incident is greatly exaggerated.
 

cledussnow

New Member
If we think the Bible to be inaccurate and nothing more than lies and fantasy, then no one can assert to have any idea what was said by Jesus.
 

Jayhawker Soule

-- untitled --
Premium Member
If we think the Bible to be inaccurate and nothing more than lies and fantasy, then no one can assert to have any idea what was said by Jesus.
What a strange world you occupy wherein the sole options are inerrant literalism and a pack of lies and fantasies. You've been watching too many Star Wars reruns. :yes:
 

fallingblood

Agnostic Theist
If we think the Bible to be inaccurate and nothing more than lies and fantasy, then no one can assert to have any idea what was said by Jesus.

But, if we assert the Bible is composed of a variety of different genres, and treat each individual book as we would with similar writings, then we can actually look at the Bible in a critical way.
 

outhouse

Atheistically
Because of the disturbance he caused in the Temple by turning over the money changer's tables or something else? :)


were not really sure how much historicity the temple incident has. there are refferences to a simular incident in the OT.

We have Luke that states, perverting the nation, tax evasion, and claiming to be a king in which he states is not of this world.


Causing any issue in the temple during passover would likely get you put on a cross, this was a big money making weekend simular to a rock concert. 400,000 jews were there, and if you understand the taxation proccess of the high priest you would know they were outright thieves. Passover was about making money for the temple which also was the bank of the time. More then anything pilate and Caiaphas wanted peace and everything to run smooth so payday wouldnt be messed up. The tension was high and a all out riot was very possible at any moment
 
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outhouse

Atheistically
If we think the Bible to be inaccurate and nothing more than lies and fantasy, then no one can assert to have any idea what was said by Jesus.

But it wasnt written by any eye witnesses, to better understand history a careful examination of scripture is required.
 

cledussnow

New Member
But, if we assert the Bible is composed of a variety of different genres, and treat each individual book as we would with similar writings, then we can actually look at the Bible in a critical way.

Which genres is it composed of?

Curious as to your claim of being both Christian AND Agnostic Theist.
 

fallingblood

Agnostic Theist
Which genres is it composed of?

Curious as to your claim of being both Christian AND Agnostic Theist.

That would actually be a good topic for a different thread. Primarily because there are a number of different genres. If you want, I can put something together and create a new thread.

Dealing with just the Gospels, as they are what would be of concern here, they appear to be ancient biographies. That is the genre they seem (at least to me. There are scholars who see them better fitting into other genres) to best fit in. So it would be best to examine them in that light. The historical context in which they were written is also important. One thing to keep in mind is that the speeches we see by various individuals are most likely creations of the authors. That doesn't mean that they are not founded on actual speeches, but since people generally didn't record what people were saying when they were saying it, authors usually had to create the speeches as best as they could or in a manner that they thought was accurate.
 

Aabraham ben Azar

Active Member
In my ongoing debate with a friend, he claims that Pilate didn't want to crucify Jesus because he was an innocent man. Even Pilate's wife didn't want jesus crucified. The Jewish authority basicaally said that if Pilate didn't crucify Jesus, they would make up things and get him in trouble with Rome.

I said that Pilate was brutal and wouldn't hesitate to crucify anyone. I said that Jesus's claim that He was the King of the Jews was enough to get Him crucified.

So, how much responsibility/blame of Jesus's crucifixion falls on Pilate?
Jesus (God) ordered Pilate to crucify Him on cross in order to accomplish the scenario of dying for our sin. so Pilate was only a mean in the hands of God (Jesus) as he was powerless and forced to do the job by Holy Ghost ( God).
That was plan of God ( Father,Son and Holy Ghost) as God sent His only begotten Son to die on the cross for our sin .Therfore Pilate will be in Heaven for his noble task.
 

beerisit

Active Member
Jesus (God) ordered Pilate to crucify Him on cross in order to accomplish the scenario of dying for our sin. so Pilate was only a mean in the hands of God (Jesus) as he was powerless and forced to do the job by Holy Ghost ( God).
That was plan of God ( Father,Son and Holy Ghost) as God sent His only begotten Son to die on the cross for our sin .Therfore Pilate will be in Heaven for his noble task.
Wait so your not a Muslim?
 

strikeviperMKII

Well-Known Member
Pilate was what some would call a dark king. Not because he was evil, but because he had no idea what to do with the power that was given to him. Much like Adam watching Eve eat the apple, he let things happen that shouldn't have.
 

Aabraham ben Azar

Active Member
Pilate was what some would call a dark king. Not because he was evil, but because he had no idea what to do with the power that was given to him. Much like Adam watching Eve eat the apple, he let things happen that shouldn't have.
I want to ask :
How would Jesus die and sacrify without Pilate ? ( He had to crusify Jesus for our sin so Pilate was a mean to fulfil God's plan ).
 
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