Wat makes your religion the one TRUE religion?

[Meander_Z]

I think it's fun to watch so many people talking past each other without engaging in actual conversation.

Mention the list of sins that I've committed please?
You can put it serial wise down.

Christians take sin as a given, a list is irrelevant since they believe that it is the nature of man to be corrupt, therefore whatever you have done and however innocently you may think your behavior to be, you are and shall always remain a sinner without the grace of God gifted in exchange for the blood sacrifice of Jesus.

You clearly do not believe man to be corrupt, behaviors may be done in error, may have poor results, or may even come from selfish motivations but such behaviors will never qualify to you as sins because you have a different initial assumption.

Even in mathematics there must be an agreement on the basic rules of the system before an answer can be considered correct.

If one functions from the given than man is corrupt and requires redemption in order to become purified enough to enter God's presence than the Christian argument is quite sensible. If one functions from the given that humans are evolved social animals functioning based on survival instincts and learned behavior in a world where no god exists, then the whole idea of salvation becomes completely ridiculous.

If one were to consider a religion to be the ONE true faith, one must accept some basic principles upon which truth can be derived. A Christian doesn't have to prove their faith to be the ONE true faith from an objective standpoint that is equally agreed upon by all people for all time, they need only to create a system that dismisses all systems that contradict their own. They have done so quite successfully, by claiming the authority of God as expressed through the Bible. So long as the Bible is the standard for the system, no non-christian will ever make headway in arguing any fallacy in the system. No internal contradiction or external evidence will suffice. You just can't beat the authority of God. You can beat your head against that system as long as you want, the system itself is perfect. It can be escaped from, as many non-Christians have done in the past, but it cannot be penetrated by outsiders.

 

[Tomorrows_Child]

I do not know who told you this but your post is rubbish.
India or Bharat was called golden bird (Sone ki chidiya in hindi) . The muslims did not invade india for fun, they did it to loot huge piles of money in Indian subcontinent. India is richest country in the world back then. Kashmira itself is a sanskrit term and it is once called Land of Saraswati devi. ..It was muslims who killed millions of hindus in Kashmir valley and converted those who are too afraid to die. Akbar, tipu sultan all are mass murderers and this is a known fact. The most evil islamic ruler of Kashmir is Sikandar Butshikan who killed thousand of vaishnavas in sri Rangam.......
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sikandar_Butshikan

you see all kashmiri muslims now are unaware of their own hindu history..all of them have hindu ancestors

Most of the structures in India are converted to tombs. Muslims did not have technology to construct any big structure let alone taj mahal or Tejo mahalaya(mahal is not a muslim term) ...Taj mahal predates shah jahan by 500 years and in badshah nama it was clearly mentioned that the structure was there for many hundreds of years prior and it needed repairs. It was an ancient shiva temple (nagnatheswar) converted to tomb and urdu inscriptions were forcefully inscribed on them. See this

http://www.stephen-knapp.com/was_the_taj_mahal_a_vedic_temple.htm

Lastly Indian pm is not an hindu extremist, he has not even able to construct ayodya

This post goes from bad to worse to ludicrous.

 

[Subhankar Zac]

This post goes from bad to worse to ludicrous.

Note to others:
Do not attempt to point out anything wrong in the Quran or about Islam.
Violation for this will label you as a Muslim hater, devil worshipper or Stupid.


Rules don't apply to other religions

Also, a Muslim talking about anything being ludicrous... Hmm...
Love the irony!

 

[Tomorrows_Child]

Note to others:
Do not attempt to point out anything wrong in the Quran or about Islam.
Violation for this will label you as a Muslim hater, devil worshipper or Stupid.


Rules don't apply to other religions

Also, a Muslim talking about anything being ludicrous... Hmm...
Love the irony!

The person I replied to didn't point out anything wrong about the Quran. Maybe you want to read back?

 

[Subhankar Zac]

The person I replied to didn't point out anything wrong about the Quran. Maybe you want to read back?

He wasn't concerned about the general vibe of Islamic superiority that you give out.
My context was based on your overall illogical reasoning in every decision.

 

[Tomorrows_Child]

He wasn't concerned about the general vibe of Islamic superiority that you give out.
My context was based on your overall illogical reasoning in every decision.

Such as what? In this discussion, I pointed out certain facts, if you can counter them, I am more than open to it but if you want to come up with fantasy stories on how the taj mahal was built 500 years before the muslim king who built it then...I don't know what to say.

 

[Jivaatma]

Such as what? In this discussion, I pointed out certain facts, if you can counter them, I am more than open to it but if you want to come up with fantasy stories on how the taj mahal was built 500 years before the muslim king who built it then...I don't know what to say.

I take it you now that you understand how muslim murderers like Sikhander Butshikan slaughtered millions of hindus and converted/killed people of kashmir.

Regarding Taj mahal, you should come out of your closeted mind and be open to analysis. There are 22 locked doors in Taj mahal , if government of India opens them, the truth will come out and some workers reportedly saw a big Shiva Lingam stashed away while cleaning. Ofcourse if govt. of India does that, there would be huge clashes and the trade comes down. Tejo Mahal is constructed pure Rajput style

Page 403 of Vol-I of Badshahnama is given below.

“Friday, 15th Jamadiulawal, the sacred dead body of the traveller to the kingdom of holiness Hazrat Mumtazul Zamani, who was temporarily buried, was brought, accompanied by Prince Mohammad Shah, Suja bahadur, Wazir Khan and Satiunnesa Khanam, who knew the pemperament of the deceased intimately and was well versed in view of that Queen of the Queens used to hold, was brought to the capital Akbarabad (Agra) and an order was issued that very day coins be distributed among the beggers and fakirs. The site covered with a majestic garden, to the south of the great city (of Agra) and amidst which the building known as the palace of Raja Man Singh, at present owned by Raja Jai asingh, grandson of Man Singh, was selected for the burial of the Queen, whose abode is in heaven. Although Raja Jai Singh valued it greatly as his ancestral heritage and property, yet he agreed to part with it gratis for Emperor Shahjahan, still out of sheer scrupulousness and religious sanctity, he (Jai Singh) was granted Sharifabad in exchange of that grand palace (Ali Manzil). After the arrival of the deadbody in that great city (of Agra), next year that illustrious body of the Queen was laid to rest and the officials of the capital, according to royal order, hid the body of that pious lady from the eyes of the world and the palace so majestic (imarat-e-alishan) and capped with a dome (wa gumbaje) was turned into a sky-high lofty mausoleum”.[7]

Many historians try to convince that Shah Jahan purchased a piece of land from Raja Jai Singh and erected Taj Mahal on that land. But the lines 29 and 30 of page 403 of Vol-I of Badshahnama reads, “Pesh az ein Manzil-e-Rajah Mansingh bud wadari waqt ba Rajah Jaisingh (29) Nabirae taalluq dasht barae madfan e an bahisht muwattan bar guzeedand ..(30).” According to experts, the correct translation of the phrase “Manzil-e-Rajah Mansingh bud wadari waqt ba Rajah Jaisingh”is “.. the building known as the palace of Raja Man Singh, at present owned by Raja Jai asingh”. So, it is evident that it cannot be a transaction of land but of a magnificent palace. In line 37, further clarification has been made and said that it was a transaction of an imarat-e-alishan (i.e. a gigantic building) and not of land

 

[Jivaatma]

Here is times of India blog

http://blogs.timesofindia.indiatime.../the-taj-badshahnama-is-this-the-smoking-gun/

 

[Jivaatma]

Oak writes: "This is the Dhatura flower essential for Hindu Shiva worship.The flower is depicted in the shape of the sacred esoteric Hindu incantation 'OM'. Embossed designs of this blooming 'OM' are
drawn over the exterior of the octagonal central sanctum of Shiva where now a fake grave in Mumtaz's name, has been planted. ....While perambulating around the central chamber [of Taj Mahal] one may see such 'OM' designs all along the exterior surface of the marble wall." [from Oak's web site]

 

[Subhankar Zac]

Such as what? In this discussion, I pointed out certain facts, if you can counter them, I am more than open to it but if you want to come up with fantasy stories on how the taj mahal was built 500 years before the muslim king who built it then...I don't know what to say.

We've given you evidence, on halal being inhumane, on Islamic crimes in India to Saudi making everything illegal.
So far you've given zero evidrnce on why halal is humane but said the researcher had bias, made claims on the glory of Islam in India that NO sane person will agree to and here's evidence, called Saudi bans justified but wanted halal in India, took shots at the indian caste system and called such questions as Islamic hater.

 

[Yoshua]

Mention the list of sins that I've committed please?
You can put it serial wise down.

Hi Subhankar,

It is we and not you (only). Based on the Scriptures,

Rom. 3:9-18
9. What then? Are we better than they? Not at all; for we have already charged that both Jews and Greeks are all under sin;
10. as it is written,
"There is none righteous, not even one;
11. There is none who understands,
12. All have turned aside, together they have become useless;
13. "Their throat is an open grave,
14. "Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness";
15. "Their feet are swift to shed blood,
16. Destruction and misery are in their paths,
17. And the path of peace have they not known."
18. "There is no fear of God before their eyes."

Rom. 3:23
23. for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,

Thanks

 

[Subhankar Zac]

Hi Subhankar,

It is we and not you (only). Based on the Scriptures,

Rom. 3:9-18
9. What then? Are we better than they? Not at all; for we have already charged that both Jews and Greeks are all under sin;
10. as it is written,
"There is none righteous, not even one;
11. There is none who understands,
12. All have turned aside, together they have become useless;
13. "Their throat is an open grave,
14. "Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness";
15. "Their feet are swift to shed blood,
16. Destruction and misery are in their paths,
17. And the path of peace have they not known."
18. "There is no fear of God before their eyes."

Rom. 3:23
23. for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,

Thanks

I do not follow the scriptures written by some man or some devil. Such scriptures are invalid in its existence

 

[Muffled]

That's not actually what the Christian scriptures say. Read Matthew 25 over again c-a-r-e-f-u-l-l-y and note what the difference is between the "sheep" and the "goats". Read the Parable of the Seed and the Sower and note the differences with the "seeds". Read Paul's saying there's "faith, hope, and love", and which does he say is the greatest? [in Koine Greek, "agape" is an active noun, namely that one doesn't just have agape, one lives agape] Read Jesus' Sermon On the Mount, whereas he teaches his followers what they should do.

It is actually made quite clear in the scriptures that just having a politically-correct belief is going to "save" anyone-- just ask the "goats".

I don't believe you have refuted my statement in the least. Perhaps you would like to explain why you think you have?

 

[Muffled]

Just a reminder that this is actually what you posted, and it's clearly not true as many religions do have provisions for forgiveness from God. You cite mere p.c. belief as your one and only provision but most others go beyond that.

I was not talking about forgiveness and forgiveness does not save a person from sin.

I believe you are confused because I do not go by PC but by what the Bible says and nothing else is necessary for salvation from sin.

 

[Subhankar Zac]

I was not talking about forgiveness and forgiveness does not save a person from sin.

I believe you are confused because I do not go by PC but by what the Bible says and nothing else is necessary for salvation from sin.

Forgiveness from Krishna saves us from all sins.
Yes, according to the Bhagavad Gita, surrendering to Lord Krishna protects one from all evils.

 

[metis]

I was not talking about forgiveness and forgiveness does not save a person from sin.

I believe you are confused because I do not go by PC but by what the Bible says and nothing else is necessary for salvation from sin.

The Bible doesn't save anyone from anything for one, and for some reason you simply cannot see your own p.c. even when it's been pointed out to you.

Whatever.

 

[Riverwolf]

So, what makes your religion the true one?

Diddly squat. I don't believe in such a ridiculous notion.