You missed that shot real bad.
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Watchtower Governing Body: Are They The Exclusive Channel For God??
- Thread starter katiemygirl
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Please listen to yourself.
I have 100% faith in only ONE. I do not debate The God.
djhwoodwerks
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I said we have heavenly help?
djhwoodwerks
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How did you come to know "THE GOD"?
djhwoodwerks
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If you only have 100% faith in The God, and not the Bible, why are you debating "SCRIPTURE"
By Jesus Christ. By the JWs. By The Bible (most of it is right), by the forum. By persecution........I can't think of anything else.
djhwoodwerks
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LOL, I didn't say that, Jesus did.
Why are you debating? Debating requires the debater to listen.
I hope this is a joke. But it isn't funny imho.
djhwoodwerks
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How did you come to know about Jesus? How did the JW's come to know about God? You say "most of it is right" which part is right and which part is wrong? How have you come to understand which is which?
Not all of it yet. You must realize I am doing all the work without help from any other human.
djhwoodwerks
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Yes, that is true. Would you listen to a debater who doesn't have 100% faith and belief in what they are debating?
Of course I would. My beliefs are able to change. And it appears yours are not. Someone once said I was more than one person. Now I will say I think YOU are more than one person.
djhwoodwerks
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Most people debate what that believe to be true, not what they don't believe in. If you don't believe in something, why debate it? Unless you are trying to prove it false. Which you are not trying to prove the Bible false because you have used scripture to back what you were trying to prove as truth. You say "MOST" of the Bible is true. Which part isn't true, in your understanding of it?
djhwoodwerks
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Jn 14:25-26 (ESVST) 25 "These things I have spoken to you while I am still with you. 26 But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you.
Yes I did know what I was saying.
I disagree. Most debate is political. Politicians debate what they think will get them elected. But you know that.
Good question! I have one. If you DO believe in something, why debate it?
Thank you for noticing. I believe most of the Bible is true. I suspect that some things that were written have been changed. Do you know that there are people who can find a painting under a painting? I can do it with scripture. I think to do it with paint is much harder. I would guess, if I didn't know better, that it is impossible.
I have posted what I think is wrong many times. I am not going to post it here on Katie's thread.
djhwoodwerks
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This is true. We could keep going round and round on this, but this is not the thread for that. I apologize to Katie for not sticking with the subject!
I would like to edit what I said which is "I believe most of The Bible is true" to "I believe most of the Bible is for the truth."
The Watchtower believes that Birthdays are bad because for instance that Pharaoh had one (Genesis 40:22-22) the JW believe everything in the bible is there for a reason and since they think it portrays Birthdays in an unfavorable light, they must be evil or bad.
However the Watchtowers position is a clear case of guilt by association. Concluding that a particular day is evil because something bad happened on it is not good logic. For instance, Genesis 40:20 proves only that the Pharaoh was evil, not the birthdays. There is no command to celebrate birthdays, though there is no warrant to say that to do so is forbidden from Genesis 40:20 or in any other passage.
Remember, if were going by what Pharaoh did, he actually did something good as well on his birthday, such as declaring amnesty to the chief cup bearer (Genesis 40:21)-He set a man free! So if doing something evil on his birthday means birthdays are bad, then doing something good means there's something good about birthdays with the same logic.
Another "guilt by association" the watchtower uses is found in Matthew 14;6-10, where the NWT renders that when Herod the pagan had a birthday, that's when he had John the Baptist beheaded. Again that only proves Herod was evil, birthdays. You just have to ask yourself, what's the source of evil in these stories-the men who did evil, or the birthdays themselves?
And regarding birthdays in Biblical times, Bible scholar E.M. Blaiklock notes the following:
"The celebration of the anniversary of ones birth is a universal practice, for in most human cities the privileges and responsibilities of life are attached to the attainment of a certain age. The surviving census docents, dating back to A.D. 48, carefully record the age of those described and enrolled according to the requirements of the Roman census law, which implies an observance and counting of birthdays.
The birth of a child, according to Leviticus 12, occasioned certain rites and ceremonies. Under mosaic law age was the chief qualification for authority and office. The blind mans' parents declared that their son was 'of age' (John 9:21). There was significance in Jesus' visit to the Temple at 12 years of age."
From a is tori al and biblical perspective, birthdays spoken above had no evil associated with them. in fact, many scholars belief that birthdays are mentioned in Job 1:4:
"His (Job's) sons used to go and hold a feast on the house of each one ON HIS DAY, and they would send and invite their three sisters to eat and drink with them."
Scholars agree like Adam Clarke that, "it is likely a birthday festival is here intended. When the birthday of one arrived, he invited his brothers and sisters to feast with him; and each observed the same custom."
Nothing in the text indicate Job's children did evil things I this say. Their celebration is not portrayed as a pagan practice. And Job certainly does not condemn the celebration.
If the observance of birthdays was offensive to Jehovah, then Job-a man who "was blameless and upright, one who feared God and turned away from evil".(Job 1:1) would have prevented this practice among his own children but did not for it was acceptable.
So the Watchtower, like the Pharisees in Jesus' day make man made traditions of you cannot do this or that without any biblical support.