Watchtower Governing Body: Are They The Exclusive Channel For God??

[Pegg]

I never suggested that "mighty" was applied to only Jesus and Jehovah. The JW's claim Jesus is a mighty, and therefore, a lesser god than God almighty. They are wrong!

Jesus is never called 'Almighty' anywhere in the bible. That term is only seen in connection with Jehovah.

Further, we can see that Jesus is a lesser god in the book of 1Cor 15: 24 where it shows Christ is subject to Jehovah his father... 'Next, the end, when he hands over the kingdom to his God and Father....27 for God subjected all things under his feet. But when it says all things have been subjected, it is evident that this does not include the One who subjected all things to him. 28 But when all things have been subjected to him then THE SON HIMSELF WILL SUBJECT HIMSELF TO THE ONE WHO SUBJECTED ALL THINGS TO HIM that God may be all things to everyone'.

Tell me, when this occurs, who will you worship then? Who will you pray to? Who will you serve? Who will be your God at that time?

 

[JFish123]

Not much of a loving God, is he then? Create souls to be sent to hell.

One of course is that God doesn't send anyone to Hell. You send yourself there. God has done everything He possibly can to keep you out of Hell and still leave you as a person with free will and not just a robot. That's the way He made us--after His image, after His likeness, the power to say “yes” or the power to say “no,” the power to reject our own Creator, and of course to take the consequences.
In one sense you can say He doesn't send anybody to Hell, because across the road to Hell he has placed the cross of Christ. There are also the prayers of parents, pastors and Sunday school teachers, and all the other things that God brings into our lives to stop us on our selfish way and to bring us to the Savior. We have to go wandering on past it all and put ourselves in Hell.
Can a God of love send anyone to Hell? You might as well ask some other question to make just as much sense. Does God allow disease in the world? Does God allow jails and prisons for some people? Does God allow the electric chair sometimes? Does God allow sin to break homes and hearts? Does God allow war? All of these things are the consequences of sin entering into the world, and in some cases the direct result of man's rebellion.
You jump off a high building, the law of gravity will take care of you. You might say, “God is love,” all the way down, but you're still going to get splattered when you hit the bottom! You break the law of gravity, and it breaks you! You may love your little child, but if he puts his finger up on that hot burner on the gas stove or the electric stove, he's going to get burned!
Fire burns. Gravity kills. Water drowns. And you can say, "God is love, God is love, God is love," until you're blue in the face. But water will still drown you, fire will burn you, and gravity will kill you, and sin will damn you no matter how much you say about a loving God.
The way of escape
The only way to escape the righteous judgment of God is to trust in the provision He has made. This provision is found in Jesus. "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish, but have eternal life," (John 3:16). Jesus is the only way to salvation (John 14:6). Jesus is also God in flesh (John 1:1,14; Col. 2:9). Therefore, Jesus' life is of infinite value. This means that His sacrifice is sufficient to cleanse you of your sins. It is capable of satisfying the infinitely righteous standard of God that is required to match His infinite holiness.
Jesus' sacrifice is the only provision acceptable to God the Father. If you want to escape the eternal judgment of God, you must put your trust in Jesus and what He did on the cross and in nothing else. Without Him, there is no hope of escape on the Day of Judgment. How do you do this? You receive Jesus (John 1:12). You trust in Him alone. You can ask Jesus to forgive you of your sins (John 14:14). Trust Him alone.

 

[katiemygirl]

So the 'Jesus believing,' fearful abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death?

We all sin and fall short of the glory of God. Rom. 3:23. BUT...

7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus, his Son, purifies us from all sin. 8 If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we claim we have not sinned, we make him out to be a liar and his word is not in us. (1 John 1)

 

[JFish123]

Jesus is never called 'Almighty' anywhere in the bible. That term is only seen in connection with Jehovah.

Further, we can see that Jesus is a lesser god in the book of 1Cor 15: 24 where it shows Christ is subject to Jehovah his father... 'Next, the end, when he hands over the kingdom to his God and Father....27 for God subjected all things under his feet. But when it says all things have been subjected, it is evident that this does not include the One who subjected all things to him. 28 But when all things have been subjected to him then THE SON HIMSELF WILL SUBJECT HIMSELF TO THE ONE WHO SUBJECTED ALL THINGS TO HIM that God may be all things to everyone'.

Tell me, when this occurs, who will you worship then? Who will you pray to? Who will you serve? Who will be your God at that time?

1 Corinthians 15:23-28
Then the end will come, when he hands over the kingdom to God the Father after he has destroyed all dominion, authority and power. Now when it says that "everything" has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself, who put everything under Christ. When he has done this, then the Son himself will be made subject to him who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all."
Jehovah's Witnesses interpret this passage as denying the deity of Christ. However, that is an interpretation imposed from outside; it is not what Scripture says. The key point for the Witnesses is that the Son becomes "subject" to the Father--as if that also implied inferiority or being of a lower rank than the Father. But it does not. According to the Witnesses' own New World Translation, Jesus as a young man "continued subject" to Joseph and Mary. (Luke 2:51) This did not imply that he was of a lower life form than his human parents. No, the three of them were equal in their humanity, but Jesus respected the headship arrangement within the family, an arrangement whereby children are subject to parents and the husband is head of his wife. So, if Jesus could be subject to his parents yet equal to them in his humanity, he could likewise be subject to his heavenly Father while equal in deity.

 

[djhwoodwerks]

Answers are often found in the question.

I thought questions where prophecies?

 

[djhwoodwerks]

Not much of a loving God, is he then? Create souls to be sent to hell.

Not much of a loving God if He'd rather see someone die than take a blood transfusion!

 

[Wharton]

One of course is that God doesn't send anyone to Hell. You send yourself there. God has done everything He possibly can to keep you out of Hell and still leave you as a person with free will and not just a robot. That's the way He made us--after His image, after His likeness, the power to say “yes” or the power to say “no,” the power to reject our own Creator, and of course to take the consequences.
In one sense you can say He doesn't send anybody to Hell, because across the road to Hell he has placed the cross of Christ. There are also the prayers of parents, pastors and Sunday school teachers, and all the other things that God brings into our lives to stop us on our selfish way and to bring us to the Savior. We have to go wandering on past it all and put ourselves in Hell.
Can a God of love send anyone to Hell? You might as well ask some other question to make just as much sense. Does God allow disease in the world? Does God allow jails and prisons for some people? Does God allow the electric chair sometimes? Does God allow sin to break homes and hearts? Does God allow war? All of these things are the consequences of sin entering into the world, and in some cases the direct result of man's rebellion.
You jump off a high building, the law of gravity will take care of you. You might say, “God is love,” all the way down, but you're still going to get splattered when you hit the bottom! You break the law of gravity, and it breaks you! You may love your little child, but if he puts his finger up on that hot burner on the gas stove or the electric stove, he's going to get burned!
Fire burns. Gravity kills. Water drowns. And you can say, "God is love, God is love, God is love," until you're blue in the face. But water will still drown you, fire will burn you, and gravity will kill you, and sin will damn you no matter how much you say about a loving God.
The way of escape
The only way to escape the righteous judgment of God is to trust in the provision He has made. This provision is found in Jesus. "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish, but have eternal life," (John 3:16). Jesus is the only way to salvation (John 14:6). Jesus is also God in flesh (John 1:1,14; Col. 2:9). Therefore, Jesus' life is of infinite value. This means that His sacrifice is sufficient to cleanse you of your sins. It is capable of satisfying the infinitely righteous standard of God that is required to match His infinite holiness.
Jesus' sacrifice is the only provision acceptable to God the Father. If you want to escape the eternal judgment of God, you must put your trust in Jesus and what He did on the cross and in nothing else. Without Him, there is no hope of escape on the Day of Judgment. How do you do this? You receive Jesus (John 1:12). You trust in Him alone. You can ask Jesus to forgive you of your sins (John 14:14). Trust Him alone.

If you're Christian, yes. If not, no.

Jesus is the Way, the Truth and the Life, etc.

What is the Way? It's the Jewish Law/Halacha. Jesus is the Law. God gave the Law. Jesus is God. His Law is: Love God. Love Neighbor. There are plenty of people that Love God and neighbor that are not Christian. Jesus is the Truth. He will judge on the degree which you participated in the Truth and to the degree which you were able to hear his Truth/Gospel. Failing that, you will be judged on your works which is what Judgment Day is all about.

 

[Wharton]

Not much of a loving God if He'd rather see someone die than take a blood transfusion!

Yet be able to have an organ transplant which most definitely still has some of the organ donor's blood in it.

 

[JFish123]

Not much of a loving God if He'd rather see someone die than take a blood transfusion!

Exactly, but that God doesn't exist as the verse used to prohibit blood transfusions is about ANIMAL blood not humans to begin with. And we don't eat the blood (through the mouth and into the digestive system anyway) sigh, it's a shame and cruel how a person can obey an organization (who falsely teach what the bible prohibits) and let a loved one suffer and die because of such false teaching there like the Pharisees Jesus rebuked for telling him healing on the Sabbath was sin.

 

[katiemygirl]

Jesus is never called 'Almighty' anywhere in the bible. That term is only seen in connection with Jehovah.

Further, we can see that Jesus is a lesser god in the book of 1Cor 15: 24 where it shows Christ is subject to Jehovah his father... 'Next, the end, when he hands over the kingdom to his God and Father....27 for God subjected all things under his feet. But when it says all things have been subjected, it is evident that this does not include the One who subjected all things to him. 28 But when all things have been subjected to him then THE SON HIMSELF WILL SUBJECT HIMSELF TO THE ONE WHO SUBJECTED ALL THINGS TO HIM that God may be all things to everyone'.

Tell me, when this occurs, who will you worship then? Who will you pray to? Who will you serve? Who will be your God at that time?

I will and do worship, pray to and serve the ONE TRUE GOD. GOD is a title, which is representative of Father, Son and Holy Spirit. That's who my GOD is now and always will be.

Who took great power and began to reign in Rev. 11:15?

Rev. 11:15
"We give thanks to you, Lord God Almighty, the One who is and who was, because you have taken your great power and have begun to reign.

If "mighty God " means lesser god, as you suggest, then why is Jehovah called mighty God in the OT?

 

[Wharton]

Jesus is never called 'Almighty' anywhere in the bible. That term is only seen in connection with Jehovah.

Further, we can see that Jesus is a lesser god in the book of 1Cor 15: 24 where it shows Christ is subject to Jehovah his father... 'Next, the end, when he hands over the kingdom to his God and Father....27 for God subjected all things under his feet. But when it says all things have been subjected, it is evident that this does not include the One who subjected all things to him. 28 But when all things have been subjected to him then THE SON HIMSELF WILL SUBJECT HIMSELF TO THE ONE WHO SUBJECTED ALL THINGS TO HIM that God may be all things to everyone'.

Tell me, when this occurs, who will you worship then? Who will you pray to? Who will you serve? Who will be your God at that time?

Let's help you out. The Father is the only stand alone person in the Trinity. His title as first person is Almighty. It is a position marker only. He begets a son and as God, the son is of the same substance. The son is God. You want to call him a mighty God, fine. It only marks his position as the second person in the Trinity. Yes, Jesus can say he has a God just as you can say you had a Human in the begetting process.

Subjecting oneself to another does not diminish the nature of a being. When a wife subjects herself to her husband, as Paul states, does that make her less than human? When a child subjects himself to his parents, is he less than human? When Jesus subjects himself to the Father, it doesn't make him less than God. He can't lose that nature by any action.

 

[djhwoodwerks]

Exactly, but that God doesn't exist as the verse used to prohibit blood transfusions is about ANIMAL blood not humans to begin with. And we don't eat the blood (through the mouth and into the digestive system anyway) sigh, it's a shame and cruel how a person can obey an organization (who falsely teach what the bible prohibits) and let a loved one suffer and die because of such false teaching there like the Pharisees Jesus rebuked for telling him healing on the Sabbath was sin.

And they say Christendom has bloodguilt!


Mat 15:10-20 (ESVST) 10 And he called the people to him and said to them, " Hear and understand:11 it is not what goes into the mouth that defiles a person, but what comes out of the mouth; this defiles a person." 12 Then the disciples came and said to him, "Do you know that the Pharisees were offended when they heard this saying?" 13 He answered, " Every plant that my heavenly Father has not planted will be rooted up. 14 Let them alone; they are blind guides. And if the blind lead the blind, both will fall into a pit." 15 But Peter said to him, " Explain the parable to us." 16 And he said, " Are you also still without understanding? 17 Do you not see that whatever goes into the mouth passes into the stomach and is expelled? 18 But what comes out of the mouth proceeds from the heart, and this defiles a person. 19 For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false witness, slander. 20 These are what defile a person. But to eat with unwashed hands does not defile anyone."

 

[djhwoodwerks]

*** w58 8/1 p. 460 Dawns a New Era for the Irish ***
From childhood the Irish have been taught that every religion in the world is opposed to their religion, that theirs is the only one having divine right to exist, that all other religions are merely tolerated and that they continue through the benevolent sufferance of the Catholic clergy.

Sound familiar?

 

[djhwoodwerks]

*** w58 8/1 p. 460 Dawns a New Era for the Irish ***
To keep their flocks from reading Bible literature the clergy tell their parishioners that it is communistic. This seems to frighten them sufficiently so they will not investigate for themselves.

How about this one!

 

[djhwoodwerks]

*** w58 8/1 p. 460 Dawns a New Era for the Irish ***
For centuries the clergy have dominated their lives, told them what they can read, what they should believe and do. To ask a sound religious question is a demonstration of lack of faith in God and the church, according to the clergy. As a result, the Irish people do very little independent thinking. They are victims of the clergy and fear; but freedom is in sight.

Or, maybe this one.

 

[JFish123]

I'm sorry I found the last one too funny to not post. No offense justin beebs.

 

[Wharton]

And they say Christendom has bloodguilt!


Mat 15:10-20 (ESVST) 10 And he called the people to him and said to them, " Hear and understand:11 it is not what goes into the mouth that defiles a person, but what comes out of the mouth; this defiles a person." 12 Then the disciples came and said to him, "Do you know that the Pharisees were offended when they heard this saying?" 13 He answered, " Every plant that my heavenly Father has not planted will be rooted up. 14 Let them alone; they are blind guides. And if the blind lead the blind, both will fall into a pit." 15 But Peter said to him, " Explain the parable to us." 16 And he said, " Are you also still without understanding? 17 Do you not see that whatever goes into the mouth passes into the stomach and is expelled? 18 But what comes out of the mouth proceeds from the heart, and this defiles a person. 19 For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false witness, slander. 20 These are what defile a person. But to eat with unwashed hands does not defile anyone."

What cracks me up is that an Orthodox Jewish rabbi will accept a blood transfusion and I think he would know what the Law implies regarding blood. Where the JW's are coming from, got me. But they allow blood fractions?? So somehow, they think that the life force can be extracted from blood and not transfused.

 

[Wharton]

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I'm sorry I found the last one too funny to not post. No offense justin beebs.

Here you go. Add this to your collection. I learned that Jesus doesn't like VW's

 

[katiemygirl]

"Pegg, post: 4342576, member: 23994"]The lake of fire is symbolic. It cannot be a literal place if death and hell are put there.

All who fall into the category of being wicked are going ti be destroyed eternally. Thats what it means to go into the lake of fire. Jehovah God is not a monster...he does not keep the wicked alive so he can torture them.... only Satan would want you to believe that.

The burning lake of fire is literal. I gave you a large list of Scriptures where JESUS describes (His words, not mine) what it will be like there: gnashing of teeth, torment, everlasting destruction. This teaching is persistent throughout the Bible. It's repeated too often to make the claim that it is simply annihalation.

Symbolic Scriptures don't have real people with real names like Abraham and Lazarus in Luke 16.

Jesus persistently taught that hell is a burning lake of fire. If hell is just annihalation as you claim, wouldn't that make Christ a liar (symbolic or not)? Exaggeration is a lie after all!

You say there is no literal burning hell. Ask yourself, before you deceive more people,
what if you are wrong?

If I am wrong, I can stand in front of God's judgment seat and tell God that I am teaching what Jesus Christ persistently taught.

However, if you are wrong, you will be deceiving people to believe that there are no consequences of sinning, falling right into Satan's trap.

The Holy Spirit uses the consciousness of our sin, the righteousness of Christ and the knowledge of judgment to convict people to believe in God (John 16:8-10). If you take away the judgment of hell, you are giving people a license to sin, and the consequence of that is obvious. And you will be responsible for deceiving others.

 

[katiemygirl]

Not much of a loving God, is he then? Create souls to be sent to hell.

You can tell Him that on judgement day.