How did the GB become anointed. Who picked them?
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Watchtower Governing Body: Are They The Exclusive Channel For God??
- Thread starter katiemygirl
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Mark 9:35 I think that if a person would obey Jesus' rule strictly then he would not be the one owning the car but would go in another's car. I am sure the brothers and sisters would be so happy to pick up one of the governing body members for the field service!
Tell that to a brother or sister who can't even afford a junker and insure it.
JayJayDee
Avid JW Bible Student
To our detractors....
Let's just hammer all the negatives about JW's and ignore the fact that God has one united organization of his people "preaching the good news in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations" before He brings an end to this poor excuse for a world. When was the last time you saw Christendom's churches promoting preaching as a requirement for Christians? It was not an option...it was a command from Christ himself...and it was to continue right up to the end of the present system. (Matt 24:14; 28:19, 20)
Ignore the fact that JW's do not participate in politics or war because Jesus commanded us to be "NO part of this world". (John 15:18-21) He also taught us to love our enemies and to pray for the deluded souls who persecute us. We do not have blood on our hands. (Isa1:15)
Ignore the fact that Jesus said his true disciples would be hated because of doing and teaching what he did. He preached the message of his kingdom and exposed the truth about the religious system into which he was born. Jesus and his disciples were hated and persecuted by the very ones who claimed to worship the same God. Their worship had been corrupted centuries ago, but they could not be told. Christendom mirrors Judaism exactly. Just as Noah preached to deaf ears in his day, so do we for the most part. We have no expectation for things to be any different to what we have seen on this thread. (Matt 24:36-39) Angry and disgruntled people shook their fist at the son of God too...how much more so will they pick at his imperfect followers for their own twisted reasons?
Ignore the fact that in "the time of the end" a 'cleansing, whitening and refining' was going to take place among God's people, who at that time were all who claimed to be Christians. Those who refused the cleansing, would understand nothing. (Dan 12:4, 9, 10) No insight would be granted to them....and no correction is offered for those who will not see. (2 Thess 2:9-12)
Jesus himself appointed a "faithful and wise slave" to "feed" his fellow slaves their "food at the proper time" (Matt 24:45)
He did not identify them, but left it up to us to do so. So who is that slave in the divided state of Christendom? Can any of you identify him? He is under obligation to "feed" you. Since there are only two tables at which to feed....how do you know which is which? (1 Cor 10:20, 21) The "food" served at one table is life giving...the other is spiritual poison. Both taste good to the ones eating, so the choice isn't obvious. The deceiver is clever. (2 Cor 11:14, 15)
When the "witness" work is complete and "the end" comes as Jesus stated, who will be found "doing the will of the Father"? (Matt 7:21-23) Those who preach to the converted in the comfort of their own church buildings? (Matt 10:11-14)
Those who fail to preach the message of the kingdom?
Those who ignore Jesus' counsel to 'love their enemies' and who fully support the wars of their nations?
Those who adopt pagan beliefs and festivals and rename them as if God doesn't care? (2 Cor 6:14-18)
"Let he is without sin cast the first stone!"
Make sure that you yourselves are not on the receiving end of Jesus' stinging rejection, come the judgement that we will all then face. Only then will we know if we are "sheep" or "goats" in the eyes of Jesus......our own opinion of ourselves will not mean much then. Be careful where you place your confidence. Nothing is as it seems.
Let's just hammer all the negatives about JW's and ignore the fact that God has one united organization of his people "preaching the good news in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations" before He brings an end to this poor excuse for a world. When was the last time you saw Christendom's churches promoting preaching as a requirement for Christians? It was not an option...it was a command from Christ himself...and it was to continue right up to the end of the present system. (Matt 24:14; 28:19, 20)
Ignore the fact that JW's do not participate in politics or war because Jesus commanded us to be "NO part of this world". (John 15:18-21) He also taught us to love our enemies and to pray for the deluded souls who persecute us. We do not have blood on our hands. (Isa1:15)
Ignore the fact that Jesus said his true disciples would be hated because of doing and teaching what he did. He preached the message of his kingdom and exposed the truth about the religious system into which he was born. Jesus and his disciples were hated and persecuted by the very ones who claimed to worship the same God. Their worship had been corrupted centuries ago, but they could not be told. Christendom mirrors Judaism exactly. Just as Noah preached to deaf ears in his day, so do we for the most part. We have no expectation for things to be any different to what we have seen on this thread. (Matt 24:36-39) Angry and disgruntled people shook their fist at the son of God too...how much more so will they pick at his imperfect followers for their own twisted reasons?
Ignore the fact that in "the time of the end" a 'cleansing, whitening and refining' was going to take place among God's people, who at that time were all who claimed to be Christians. Those who refused the cleansing, would understand nothing. (Dan 12:4, 9, 10) No insight would be granted to them....and no correction is offered for those who will not see. (2 Thess 2:9-12)
Jesus himself appointed a "faithful and wise slave" to "feed" his fellow slaves their "food at the proper time" (Matt 24:45)
He did not identify them, but left it up to us to do so. So who is that slave in the divided state of Christendom? Can any of you identify him? He is under obligation to "feed" you. Since there are only two tables at which to feed....how do you know which is which? (1 Cor 10:20, 21) The "food" served at one table is life giving...the other is spiritual poison. Both taste good to the ones eating, so the choice isn't obvious. The deceiver is clever. (2 Cor 11:14, 15)
When the "witness" work is complete and "the end" comes as Jesus stated, who will be found "doing the will of the Father"? (Matt 7:21-23) Those who preach to the converted in the comfort of their own church buildings? (Matt 10:11-14)
Those who fail to preach the message of the kingdom?
Those who ignore Jesus' counsel to 'love their enemies' and who fully support the wars of their nations?
Those who adopt pagan beliefs and festivals and rename them as if God doesn't care? (2 Cor 6:14-18)
"Let he is without sin cast the first stone!"
Make sure that you yourselves are not on the receiving end of Jesus' stinging rejection, come the judgement that we will all then face. Only then will we know if we are "sheep" or "goats" in the eyes of Jesus......our own opinion of ourselves will not mean much then. Be careful where you place your confidence. Nothing is as it seems.
djhwoodwerks
Well-Known Member
Awesome! You stated in your answer that the Word referred to in John 1:1 is Jesus, can I ask 2 more questions?
1) How is that possible, that Jesus is the Word in John 1:1? According to JayJayDee, I believe, Jesus didn't exist before He was born. She said that the role of, the Son of God, was Michael in Heaven. The role of Jesus didn't exist until He was born of a woman. Your publications state that also.
*** rs p. 218 par. 3 Jesus Christ ***
So the evidence indicates that the Son of God was known as Michael before he came to earth and is known also by that name since his return to heaven where he resides as the glorified spirit Son of God.
2) If the Son of God's role was Michael in heaven, then the "BIBLE" is completely false when it says that Jesus created all other things. According to "YOUR" GB, it was not Jesus in the beginning, but Michael. So the evidence indicates that Michael created all other things, not Jesus.
All this is talking about Michael because the role of Jesus hadn't come on the scene yet.
Col 1:15-16 (ESVST) 15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. 16 For by him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities — all things were created through him and for him.
Nobody here hates you. Nobody is criticising your religion for preaching or for refraining from war. Nobody is criticising you for refusing to observe certain days. Get a grip lady!
The faithful and discreet slave is anyone who does God's bidding in a loving way.
djhwoodwerks
Well-Known Member
If you watched the "IMITATE JESUS" 2015 JW convention video I posted, those JW's didn't learn anything! Since you believe he was there to "SET THEM UP" to tell the truth! They should have viewed him as an enemy, and loved him, correct? Did they? NOT IN THE LEAST!! So that statement is false!
djhwoodwerks
Well-Known Member
Please explain, any JW, because I believe JJD has me on ignore, how was a question asked by Jesus appointing a "FUTURE" slave? Please provide, chapter and verse of any "FUTURE" appointment of a "COMPOSITE" slave.
How many rank and file JW's had any say or vote in the appointment of any member of the GB?
1. Basically every "Christendom" church I've been at or seen tells to preach to people. They also delve into other things Jesus said. Your point? You really like to paint all of "Christendom" with that broad JW brush don't you?
2. Uh, would Jesus stand by and watch someone get raped, or murdered and not do anything about it? I hope that's not your Jesus. It is completely acceptable to fight I self defense or to protect the innocent.
3. False teachers would be pointed out as well. Everyone can claim since they are so called "hated" or made fun of by people (who isn't?) then that means THEY are to true disciples. Anyone can claim that if those are the requirements. And you shake your fist at the Trinity and at Jesus by saying He's not who He said He was-GOD. How does the saying go, When you point one finger at others...
4. The faithful and discreet slave Jesus mentioned was not an earthly organization that grossly mistranslates His words. So who really is the “faithful and discreet slave”? The answer is very simple: anyone who is found faithful to Christ’s command to “give them their rations at the proper time,” (Luke 12:42) when He returns. Surely these faithful slaves have existed since the first century. After all, Jesus directly admonished Peter to “feed my sheep,” (John 21:15-17).
To add to that, when DOES Jesus declare them to be “faithful and discreet”? According to Matthew 24:45, He declares this when HE RETURNS. Therefore, it is nothing short of presumptuous and arrogant for someone to claim this position before Christ actually returns to bless those who are faithful and discreet.
5. Anything else you'd care to discuss?
djhwoodwerks
Well-Known Member
Jer 17:5 (ESVST) 5 Thus says the Lord: "Cursed is the man who trusts in man
*** w93 9/15 p. 22 They Compassionately Shepherd the Little Sheep ***
But if we were to draw away from Jehovah’s organization, there would be no place else to go for salvation and true joy. (Compare John 6:66-69.)
Psa 146:3 (ESVST) 3 Put not your trust in princes, in a son of man, in whom there is no salvation.
You don't get to preach without semicha. The GB doesn't have it. The GB never had it. You are the fathers Jesus warned about. Read the bible.
djhwoodwerks
Well-Known Member
*** w09 2/15 p. 27 par. 12 They “Keep Following the Lamb” ***
The slave is able to provide wise and timely warnings because Jehovah God and Jesus Christ are blessing it. The slave thus deserves our complete trust. (8 "MEN" make the slave.)
*** w77 7/15 pp. 429-430 par. 18 Trust Jehovah, Not Man ***
18 So, in comparing the works of God with the works of man, we can ask: Who deserves our complete trust? Surely it is not man. (What are the 8 members of the GB? By these 2 statements apparently they are something greater than man.)
Civil parasites.
Yet Jesus tells the people to listen to them because they sit in the chair/seat of Moses? they have teaching authority, you do not. No semicha.
djhwoodwerks
Well-Known Member
I thought Jesus came back in1914 and "LOVED" what the GB was teaching? You know, like the war between Michael and satan was Papal and pagan Rome.
djhwoodwerks
Well-Known Member
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I asked my friend today about this, and I'd like to ask the JW's on this forum.
JW's don't vote, they do not recognize the US flag, do not support any form of the US Government. How can you justify living in a country and enjoy all the privilege's of freedom and talk crap on it and call it satans government like you do? All the people that died and were disabled protecting this country and you just treat it as garbage. How can you justify that?
I asked my friend today about this, and I'd like to ask the JW's on this forum.
JW's don't vote, they do not recognize the US flag, do not support any form of the US Government. How can you justify living in a country and enjoy all the privilege's of freedom and talk crap on it and call it satans government like you do? All the people that died and were disabled protecting this country and you just treat it as garbage. How can you justify that?
Katzpur
Not your average Mormon
I totally agree! (JayJayDee is not an American, by the way, so she may say that your comments do not apply to her.) I'm just wondering how Jehovah's Witnesses think any country in the world could function without an earthly government. Can you even imagine the chaos that would ensue if we all just declined to involve ourselves in any civic or government affairs? Suppose absolutely nobody were to vote or be willing to serve in elected office. We'd have no law enforcement because we'd have no laws! We'd have crime unlike anything any of us could possibly imagine. I mean it's just utterly absurd to even try to imagine such a situation. Jesus may have said that we should be no part of this world, but there's more than one way to interpret those words. He did, after all, say, "Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's." He didn't say, "Render nothing unto Caesar. Show no support for any laws except God's. Close your eyes and pretend the world simply doesn't exist."
Katzpur
Not your average Mormon
I agree, but your comments strike me as odd seeing as I recently got told by a Jehovah's Witness that Mormonism could not possibly be true because its founder, Joseph Smith, was imperfect. God, unfortunately, uses imperfect people to do His work for one very simple reason: That's all He has to choose from!
JayJayDee
Avid JW Bible Student
I am a citizen of God's kingdom first and a tax paying citizen of my nation second....as are all JW's. Just as Jesus was a Jew living under Roman domination...he told his disciples to pay their taxes and obey the laws of the land. He did not support the zealots who were plotting revenge on the Romans for their treatment of the Jews. He did not advocate political activity at all, but told his disciples not to be part of any of it. Man's rule is influenced by the one who is in control of earth's affairs. World rulership will be ripped from his hands by force. (Dan 2:44) Jesus will then throw him into a bottomless pit to languish in inactivity for a thousand years. During that time God's rulership is re-established as it was before mankind sinned.
Why do you assume that we think everyone would be a Christian? This all or nothing suggestion is silly.
Since John said that "the whole world was lying in the power of the wicked one" and "Do not love either the world or the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him; because everything in the world—the desire of the flesh and the desire of the eyes and the showy display of one’s means of life —does not originate with the Father, but originates with the world. Furthermore, the world is passing away and so is its desire, but the one who does the will of God remains forever." (1 John 5:19;2:15-17)
This indicates that the world is going to do what the world wants to do, regardless of what God thinks. It has its own god and Jesus identified satan as "the ruler of this world". (John 12:31) He is the one who "blinds the minds of the unbelievers" in this world. (2 Cor 4:3, 4) The world is "passing away" and so will all who support it. When this system is gone.....God's people will remain. We will disagree on who God's people are.
Knowing what things to "render unto Caesar" is an important point. Caesar cannot tell you to kill an enemy when Christians are commanded to love them. It means agape....not the warm fuzzy kind of love...but love based on principle, where we would love them in the sense of NOT "returning evil for evil to anyone." (Romans 12:17-19) If you have to ignore half of what Jesus taught in order to support your political attachments, then think again. Is that "doing the will of the Father" or doing your own will whilst ignoring Christ's teachings?
Jesus accepts no compromise, when there is no ignorance to excuse it.. During this time of the end, all are put on notice. Whether they listen to the message or not, they know who JW's are and what we do.
Only two categories of people will not survive the end of this system....those who don't know, because they don't want to know...and those who know, but fail to obey. (2 Thess 1:6-10) "Just like the days of Noah", Jesus said...how many survived the flood? (Matt24:36-39) The Bible's message could not be plainer.