What about the 7-day creation story?

[lockyfan]

So what you are saying is hat there is no Scripture to back up your recreation theory? (Matt 4:4)

I am sory, unless there is a scripture that states "recreation"then I can not accept its validity. It must be inscripture. I need the scriptures (actually mention them) for it to be plausible to me. If it can not be found in God's word then I can not accept it because I can not accept it as something from him. It is to me just another humans opinion and that to me is very dangerous because if no Scriptural proof to me the idea is directly linked to Satan becasue he is the rules of this present system of earthly rulershipo. (2 Cor 4:4) (1 John 5:19) (Rev 12:12)

Also the idea that we are judged as gods is preposterous because we are merely human, NOT gods.
(Gen 1:26) (Gen 7-9, 15)

We were never meant to be gods, the earth was created by god to be inhabited by humans and we were meant to live forever (Rev 21:3-4) (Psalm 37:29)

I now ask you a different

 

[look3467]

So what you are saying is hat there is no Scripture to back up your recreation theory? (Matt 4:4)

I am sory, unless there is a scripture that states "recreation"then I can not accept its validity. It must be inscripture. I need the scriptures (actually mention them) for it to be plausible to me. If it can not be found in God's word then I can not accept it because I can not accept it as something from him. It is to me just another humans opinion and that to me is very dangerous because if no Scriptural proof to me the idea is directly linked to Satan becasue he is the rules of this present system of earthly rulershipo. (2 Cor 4:4) (1 John 5:19) (Rev 12:12)

Also the idea that we are judged as gods is preposterous because we are merely human, NOT gods.
(Gen 1:26) (Gen 7-9, 15)

We were never meant to be gods, the earth was created by god to be inhabited by humans and we were meant to live forever (Rev 21:3-4) (Psalm 37:29)

I now ask you a different

Is it not evident that when we are born again we are not a new creature?
If your answer is yes, then there must have been a new creation enabling us to be born again.
That new creation is a recreation of what now is except that the heavens were opened and the gates of hell opened as well.

That is the new creation conditions which is all spiritual.

Blessings, AJ

 

[look3467]

Purpose of the "new Creation" which is a type of a second Adam.

The first Adam's creation consisted of the world and the conditions that Adam was placed in.
The conditions were: suffering through the sweat of his brow and death by separation, or expulsion.
Ref: Suffering Gen 3:19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.

Expulsion Ref: Gen 3:24 So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.

Therefore, we have the first creation our start of our existence and the consequences of it, suffering and death.

There needs to be a way of escape for mankind effected by God Himself in behalf of mankind.

The plan? A new creation.

Jesus is that new creation.

Born of the flesh (son of man) and born of the spirit of God (Son of God). Were He not born of God, would have made Him of no use, for He would have been as any of us are born of man needing a new birth in order to be saved.

Because He was born Of God Ref: Luk 3:22 And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased.

Jesus has the full God-head power resting in Him.Ref: Col 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

What the new creation does is give life to the dead spirit of the old creation.

"New Creature" Ref:2Co 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

Jesus is that "tree of life" held from the first creation and offered to the old for renewal, in Christ, "The New Creation".

OK, some may have a question as to what is the spiritual state of all those who lived and died before Christ came who had no idea who Jesus was or even heard of Him.

God in Jesus visited them all in prison where they were all held until redemption day, the day Jesus died and went to hell.

Psa 16:10 For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.


Isa 38:10 I said in the cutting off of my days, I shall go to the gates of the grave: I am deprived of the residue of my years. (Jesus was cut off from the land of the living)

Ref: Isa 24:22 And they shall be gathered together, as prisoners are gathered in the pit, and shall be shut up in the prison, and after many days shall they be visited.

The "gates" referencing: Isa 45:2 I will go before thee, and make the crooked places straight: I will break in pieces the gates of brass, and cut in sunder the bars of iron:

And let: Isa 62:10 Go through, go through the gates; prepare ye the way of the people; cast up, cast up the highway; gather out the stones; lift up a standard for the people.
1.Cast up = Ref: Num 21:9 And Moses made a serpent of brass, and put it upon a pole, and it came to pass, that if a serpent had bitten any man, when he beheld the serpent of brass, he lived.
Moses also cast down his rod and became a serpent.

2. cast up the highway = Joh 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

3. gather out the stones =Mat 3:9 And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham. (Stones in reference to the Jews)

4.lift up a standard = the cross, the standard for the world to see.

5. "for the people"=The most important of all, and being number 5, meaning grace, is for all people.

Now, all this this fits perfectly well with Gods work in our behalf.

Blessings, AJ

 

[Katzpur]

Why is it that there are so many 7's in the bible?
If you have a bible software, search out the number 7 and see just how many times it is found in the bible.

I have my thoughts on them but would like to hears yours.

Peace>>>AJ

Obviously, there's a lot of symbolism in the number 7. As to the 7-day creation story, I don't buy it. I believe in 7 "creative periods," but even that is kind of symbolic in my opinion.

 

[look3467]

Obviously, there's a lot of symbolism in the number 7. As to the 7-day creation story, I don't buy it. I believe in 7 "creative periods," but even that is kind of symbolic in my opinion.

Read this verse and tell me what you think its message is? Hos 12:10 I have also spoken by the prophets, and I have multiplied visions, and used similitudes, by the ministry of the prophets.

"...I have multiplied visions...", "used similitudes?

Was Pharaohs dream multiplied? Was it doubled?

How about this verse to confirm the above? Gen 41:32 And for that the dream was doubled unto Pharaoh twice; it is because the thing is established by God, and God will shortly bring it to pass.

Similitudes, a type of_______?

Was Noah, Abraham, Moses, Joseph, a type of Christ?

The number seven holds a key significance to the remaking, reordering, recreation of a new kingdom, a new week where there is no end.

To understand its significance is to look at God's word in new light, not in a threatening way, but rather in a way of great wonder and appreciation.

Blessings, AJ

 

[Doodlebug02]

It's actually the 6 day creation theory. God created things during 6 days and rested on the 7th as the story goes. But we should always remember that the Bible is not a science book.

 

[look3467]

It's actually the 6 day creation theory. God created things during 6 days and rested on the 7th as the story goes. But we should always remember that the Bible is not a science book.

True! But for soe of us, we like to search out the mysteries of God.

Pro 25:2 [It is] the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings [is] to search out a matter.

True! But with great significance as it is again used by God in Jesus in one day.

You see, the one day that Jesus worked includes the six days, for even Jesus rested on the 7th day.

If you want to look at it in terms of weeks, the first week (7 days) we'll call it the old week or the creation week.

Jesus uses the same week to end the old and to start a new week of which has no end, where as the first week had and end.

Is not the 8th day the first day of a new week?

Blessings, AJ

 

[Arlanbb]

Read this verse and tell me what you think its message is? Hos 12:10 I have also spoken by the prophets, and I have multiplied visions, and used similitudes, by the ministry of the prophets.

"...I have multiplied visions...", "used similitudes? Just what is "similitudes"? in my Harper Study bible it is "parables".

Was Pharaohs dream multiplied? Was it doubled?

How about this verse to confirm the above? Gen 41:32 And for that the dream was doubled unto Pharaoh twice; it is because the thing is established by God, and God will shortly bring it to pass.Hosea no more "confirms" Gen 41:32 than I do. Hosea was written 1000's of years after Gen 41:32 happen. Many Christrains get carried away with them- selves when they start quoting scripture out of contexts. I hope some day they will stop doing that.:yes:

Similitudes, a type of_______? "parable"

Was Noah, Abraham, Moses, Joseph, a type of Christ?

The number seven holds a key significance to the remaking, reordering, recreation of a new kingdom, a new week where there is no end.

To understand its significance is to look at God's word in new light, not in a threatening way, but rather in a way of great wonder and appreciation.

Blessings, AJ

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[look3467]

Similar to: similitudes.

In what instances is Jesus work similar to?
Is Jesus a type of a second Adam? A Noah? Abraham? The goat that appeared for Issac?
A lamb? A Lion? A refuge?
A Joseph, A Cain, s second born?

You see, it is all about God........... using Mankind's stories to work out our salvation.

Hosea was written 1000's of years after Gen 41:32 happen.

Does not matter at what time any words were written because what is key is the message which, is the overriding theme in the whole of the bible: Gods love for mankind.

If we look at the work of God in behalf of mankind, we shall see in all the symbolism's, numbers, similitude's and multiplications, the true message.

Blessings, AJ

 

[Arlanbb]

Similar to: similitudes.

In what instances is Jesus work similar to?
Is Jesus a type of a second Adam? A Noah? Abraham? The goat that appeared for Issac?
A lamb? A Lion? A refuge?
A Joseph, A Cain, s second born?

You see, it is all about God........... using Mankind's stories to work out our salvation.

God does not love mankind if he did he would not let the Genesis deluge happen, which killed millions of people, let all the thousand of wars happen with all the death and distrustion that goes with it.

Does not matter at what time any words were written because what is key is the message which, is the overriding theme in the whole of the bible: Gods love for mankind.
When you say it doesn't matter when the words are spoken all you are doing is double talking. You made a mistake and you don't want to admit that you got things backwards. Shame on you for lying to us.:sad:
If we look at the work of God in behalf of mankind, we shall see in all the symbolism's, numbers, similitude's and multiplications, the true message.

Blessings, AJ

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[look3467]

Originally Posted by look3467
Similar to: similitudes.

In what instances is Jesus work similar to?
Is Jesus a type of a second Adam? A Noah? Abraham? The goat that appeared for Issac?
A lamb? A Lion? A refuge?
A Joseph, A Cain, s second born?

You see, it is all about God........... using Mankind's stories to work out our salvation.

God does not love mankind if he did he would not let the Genesis deluge happen, which killed millions of people, let all the thousand of wars happen with all the death and distrustion that goes with it.

Does not matter at what time any words were written because what is key is the message which, is the overriding theme in the whole of the bible: Gods love for mankind.
When you say it doesn't matter when the words are spoken all you are doing is double talking. You made a mistake and you don't want to admit that you got things backwards. Shame on you for lying to us.:sad:
If we look at the work of God in behalf of mankind, we shall see in all the symbolism's, numbers, similitude's and multiplications, the true message.

Blessings, AJ

God does not love mankind if he did he would not let the Genesis deluge happen, which killed millions of people, let all the thousand of wars happen with all the death and destruction that goes with it.

You must be able to see the love of God in the following verse: Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.


If you can not see it with all the positive verses in the bible, then your only course is to see God in the negative.

When you say it doesn't matter when the words are spoken all you are doing is double talking. You made a mistake and you don't want to admit that you got things backwards. Shame on you for lying to us.:sad:

A bit of confusion? Change that by looking at the positive works of God.

The destruction of the flesh is just flesh, but the soul is another thing.

God is concerned with our souls, and if the saving the soul means the destruction of the flesh, then it is a good thing.

I want you to ponder at this verse: Act 26:23 That Christ should suffer, and that he should be the first that should rise from the dead, and should shew light unto the people, and to the Gentiles.

Think about this: Jesus could have lived a longer life, yet God cut Him off early!

Did that make God an unjust God? To require His own Son to be scourged, beaten and nailed, in public humiliation to a cross and proclaimed to be a king?

Destruction of the body of Jesus for the salvation of the world.

Think about it.

Blessings, AJ

 

[Arlanbb]

You must be able to see the love of God in the following verse: Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.


If you can not see it with all the positive verses in the bible, then your only course is to see God in the negative.



A bit of confusion? Change that by looking at the positive works of God.

The destruction of the flesh is just flesh, but the soul is another thing.

God is concerned with our souls, and if the saving the soul means the destruction of the flesh, then it is a good thing.

I want you to ponder at this verse: Act 26:23 That Christ should suffer, and that he should be the first that should rise from the dead, and should shew light unto the people, and to the Gentiles.

Think about this: Jesus could have lived a longer life, yet God cut Him off early!

Did that make God an unjust God? To require His own Son to be scourged, beaten and nailed, in public humiliation to a cross and proclaimed to be a king?

Destruction of the body of Jesus for the salvation of the world.

Think about it.

Blessings, AJ

Yes ~ it is there in the writings but the writing is not what counts - it is the action that counts - just look at all the human suffering your God has allowed humans to endure in the last 1900 years. IF Jesus was coming again why not just a few years after his death like most of his followers thought was going to happen. For 1900 years people all over the world have been dying of hunger, dying of thurst, dying of Aids, dying of what ever and your God could stop it now if he wanted to 1900 years ago. There are more people coverting to other religions than Christianty year after year so coverting the whole earth is loosing ground every day for the Christians.
Also There is no such thing as a "soul" runing around after death. According to Gen. God breath into the body he created and Adam became a living soul or being because his breath is in us. Gen 2:7, Job 33:4 When a person dies the breath of life leaves the body and goes back to God. Animals have the same Breath of life as we do.

 

[look3467]

Yes ~ it is there in the writings but the writing is not what counts - it is the action that counts -

The writings give us the actions of God in our creation and our salvation process.
Without the first there is no need for the second.

That is what the whole bible is about.

Norw, let me address the element of human suffering.

Knowledge by itself can amount to absolutely noting without a vessel for testing.

If I had a theory about a bridge design, nothing would become of it until I would build it physically and then place it in an environment where it would be tested.

Now, if I the builder had given the bridge a good design, the bridge would endure the test in good standing.

Of course a bridge has no life of istself, thus just an adamant object.

But what if, I could create a robot and give it a life of it's own, as in with it's own will?

That would mean that I would be making it in my own image, with the ability to reason between good and evil.

And let's say that I placed this non-robot but live vessel (called it mankind) in an environment to be tested (Earth), gave it a set of rules via the conscience to help govern itself, then this vessel is god like.

Being given to be like as a god, separation from God resulted in death of the soul.

This was due to no fault of mankind, for mankind created not itself.

God Himself then, provides the vehicle by which the created can attain life from a death state.

And that is what the good news is all about.

Suffering then, is part of the human existence and subject only to the time in the flesh.
Suffering is not discriminatory, all suffer one way or another.

Here is one verse which confirms what I said: Ecc 9:11 I returned, and saw under the sun, that the race is not to the swift, nor the battle to the strong, neither yet bread to the wise, nor yet riches to men of understanding, nor yet favour to men of skill; but time and chance happeneth to them all.

What we do with suffering, is either to our advantage or demise.

Blessings, AJ

 

[look3467]

...."your God could stop it now if he wanted to 1900 years ago"....

He could if you eliminated one condition.....and that would be free will.

If God made us all robots would there be any deceases, deaths or sufferings?

No, He would just cause everything to happen just like He would dictate it.

But, because He gave you free will, you have become your own god.

Being a god and not a robot means living with suffering.

Blessings, AJ

 

[Arlanbb]

AJ Now here is a big bunch of dog do-do - we are not gods at least i'm not - but maybe you are. If Jesus came to save the world from sin then why didn't he do it 1900 years ago after his resurection?? He could have done it then and saved humans all the untold misuries the human race has had to endure for the last 1900 years. You have not answered that question yet?
Acording to the bible God was SORRY he had made man on earth according to Gen 6:6-8 and it grived God to his heart so God said : "I will blot out man from the face of the earth because God was SORRY he had made mankind" But there was Noah....... and look at mankind today there is no difference between mankind before the so called Geneasis flood and after that flood. Mankind has not changed after the flood. If God know the end from the beginning then he had to know that mankind was going to do the same things after the flood than like before. IF that is true then why the Flood?? By the way there is no evidence of a worldwide Genesis deluge so it that story is not true than what other stories in Genesis are also false. It is all one big unproven story of early earth. It would be nice if you would stop beating around the bush and answer my questions.:yes:

Being a god and not a robot means living with suffering.


BLESSING ALSO

 

[look3467]

AJ Now here is a big bunch of dog do-do - we are not gods at least I'm not - but maybe you are.

I guess you can't discern good from evil then?

If Jesus came to save the world from sin then why didn't he do it 1900 years ago after his resurrection??

Let God answer that question: Rom 9:20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?

It matters not at what time in human history God chose to redeem His creation because in His redemption, all are included, none, left out.

I was given life not of my own will, but since now I have my own will, I am as a god, made in the image of God, given life and subjected to this world for testing.

In the testing, God has provided instructions on how to deal with this life, if I but should listen to them and live by them should be blessed.

He could have done it then and saved humans all the untold miseries the human race has had to endure for the last 1900 years. You have not answered that question yet?

Do you consider your life worth living? How much worth have you given to it?
If you have struggled in this life and have found victories here and there, some small and some great, would that not add worth to your life? Or is it all for naught?

According to the bible God was SORRY he had made man on earth according to Gen 6:6-8 and it grieved God to his heart so God said : "I will blot out man from the face of the earth because God was SORRY he had made mankind"

Assuming the story of the flood is true, what we see is the flesh saved in Noah.

If we look at the story of the flood and apply spiritual principles, we see God destroying the old spirit in mankind and renewing it in Jesus, a type of Noah.

The fact that mankind was separated (meaning spiritual death) from God, due to the ability to know and discern good from evil, needed from God.... a redemption plan.

Jesus is that spiritual Noah for the spiritual dead mankind. Get it?

But there was Noah....... and look at mankind today there is no difference between mankind before the so called Genesis flood and after that flood. Mankind has not changed after the flood.

I agree with you sadly, but I know that this world can only be conquered using Godly principles which, translates in to choice.

If God know the end from the beginning then he had to know that mankind was going to do the same things after the flood than like before. IF that is true then why the Flood??

Somehow you are not getting the part where you and I are independent entities.

What that means is that we have the right to choose what we want, like and not like.

As long as that is a matter of choice, evil remains to be done in the world of which you and I have to contend with.

And, I believe that if there is an evil nation whose people are continually doing evil and not repent from their evil ways, God will call them out using another nation to conquer them.

You see, this life is a privilege granted, of which the grantee is given the right to choose it's own course (within limits of course) and live life in an honorable, honest and compassionate.

Yet, there are those whose choices is to do evil... for this life lures them into it.

And friend, you will find out that that is a norm for this life, unless God enters their hearts and makes a drastic change.

By the way there is no evidence of a worldwide Genesis deluge so it that story is not true than what other stories in Genesis are also false. It is all one big unproven story of early earth. It would be nice if you would stop beating around the bush and answer my questions.:yes:

It is called "Faith", faith in God, to believe and trust in all He said He would to to help us.
The stories, true or not, are not the point. The point is, that if we apply Godly principles in our lives, we shall not be as those unfortunate stories detail.

You see, there is the carnal and then there is the spiritual.

All things seen and understood in the carnal are not necessarily understood in the spiritual.

To understand things in the spiritual, one must first be of the spiritual!

In short, born of God to understand spiritual mysteries.

Gods word says: Mar 4:11 And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables:

If you wanted to communicate with the ants, would it not be a good idea to become as one of them, to know and understand what the ants are all about?

Similarly, one must be born of God to know and understand what God is all about!

If not, then, the outer court folks remain with the parables.

Blessings, AJ

 

[look3467]

"The end from the beginning" meaning the end of the first and the beginning of a second.

That took place some 2,000 years ago at Calvary when the old was nailed to the cross and the new was resurrected.

A point in history of mankind where the beginning starts the day we are buried with and raised with Christ, and suffer this body to conform to the new.

That is the beginning of the end of all things, for now the beginning is for all eternity, though the body, must return to the earth from which it came, while your spirit flys away to meet Him in the sky.

In remembrance of this so wonderful a gift of life, we honor our creator by our giving as He has given to us.

Merry Christmas to all.

Blessings, AJ

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Being a god and not a robot means living with suffering.

In your view, are people in Heaven "robots"?

 

[Kilgore Trout]

In your view, are people in Heaven "robots"?

This is definitely the case in Robot Heaven.

 

[look3467]

In your view, are people in Heaven "robots"?

Absolutely not! If we are not robots here why would we be there?

You will be who you are, yet under the comfort and guidance of the almighty creator.

Blessings, AJ