What about the unvaccinated?

[We Never Know]

Perhaps far more than you do.
Do you claim expertise that trumps all other opinions?

Why should that belief be an exemption from
vaccination being required by law (as in NYC)
or by business (as in mine)?
Do you not recognize either the law or the right
of business to protect workers?

OMG!!! Schizophrenia is not a belief.

 

[We Never Know]

Their doctor has no authority over how I
protect the safety of my workers, or in
locales where law requires it.

With a Dr's excuse he would have authority over your personal rules.

 

[lostwanderingsoul]

Do you understand schizophrenia?

I said "people who do not trust government". Not necessarily just people with schizophrenia. One of the main reasons people give for not getting the vaccine is that they do not trust government. Yet these same people will take anything the government is giving away except the vaccine.

 

[We Never Know]

@Xavier Graham SA . I wish you the best and I hope all works out well for you.

 

[Revoltingest]

Then you want to get vaccinated. I was at a wedding last weekend and an unvaccinated person who went to Sturges last week brought Covid to the event. So far over 50% of the attendees are infected, including me. I got my shots in April and May and Covid messed me up bad. I'm an athlete and in excellent health and it has been bad. If I dirndl;t get shots who knowns how much worse it would have been. You don't want to mess with the Delta variant, it's bad. If you want to be paranoid about a group of people, be paranoid about the unvaccinated. They're making this worse for everyone, and why?

It appears that some argue it's their personal choice to risk
infecting you. And this choice is made more compelling if
someone has a diagnosis of mental illness that exempts
them from legal & business requirements.

One thing I observe in people I know IRL is that objection
to vaccination, masking, & social separation evaporates
when a close friend or family member gets it, & gets it bad.
Alas, sometimes the regrets are irreversible when they die.
I've lost a few friends to it, & nearly lost more. Covid is real.

 

[Revoltingest]

Wow. You've been reduced to the grammer police.

Spelling & grammar are useful things.
Caring or not caring about them...it speaks volumes.

 

[Revoltingest]

Actulally what i posted "Schizophrenia" is correct lol

What about "peach"?
I recommend not pressing this.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Not a dispute, I just want to show your line of thinking.

I’m a diagnosed schizophrenic. As a result, I am 100% paranoid of all governments and CANNOT trust them in the slightest. The government is pressuring me to get vaccinated. Due to my paranoia, that is something I can never do (as someone who is being treated efficiently for my condition).

Revoltingest... this is specifically about having a mental illness with symptoms of paranoia and fear (not scared of the dark fear) and thats the reason why they can't take the vaccine. Everything else (below) is based on that.

They’re the illuminati who drink baby blood and want to sterilize all of us, yo. I don’t see that belief of mine being able to change, and that is a symptom of what I have. So what about me?

While this stands out pretty heavily the context is that the OP has a mental health illness and these thoughts (and behaviors and anxieties) and the idea of taking the vaccine would do worse than it would good.

Government will require reasonable accommodation of anti-vaxers who are that way because of sincere (whatever
that means) religious belief. Have you considered joining
the Church Of The Unjab or the Refusnitarians?

People who have mental health (and physical health) disorders that prevent them from taking the vaccine are not antivaxxers. There are a lot of people who want to take the vaccine and just can't.

Antivaxxers, by definition, are those "against" vaccines not those who are scared of them because of medical concerns. I mean without that mental health condition, he or she probably would take it. We don't know.

Not sure how that joke relates to mental health.

Consider this excerpt from the OP....
"They’re the illuminati who drink baby blood and want to sterilize all of us, yo."

Am I the only one who sees this post as a humorous mocking of
seeking exceptions from vaccination requirements here or there?

Humor or serious, that line if you read the full paragraph is a symptom (lbw) of the OP mental illness-and in post #20 they clarified:

Just FYI, I genuinely believe they do much worse than drink baby blood, It seems silly, I know, but that’s not my intent. It’s a thought process I’m stuck with. I understand though how it seems tongue in cheek, I believe the elite take in adrenochrome, which is much dastardly than drinking blood.

It seems that too many people are looking for some
government approved dispensation to avoid vaccination.
Belief in QAnon conspiracies shouldn't mean exemption
from reasonable public health requirements.
Neither should a psychiatrist's diagnosis of schizophrenia
be a license to bypass vaccination where required (IMO).

But in the OP this isn't the case.

Do you believe schizophrenia is a mental health disorder?
Table 3.22, DSM-IV to DSM-5 Schizophrenia Comparison - Impact of the DSM-IV to DSM-5 Changes on the National Survey on Drug Use and Health - NCBI Bookshelf
I mean it's in the DSM.

I saw mixed messages.
You saw it all as serious.
Oh, dear....drinking baby's blood raised no red flags for you.

It was never about this. He could have said flying a kite for all that mattered.

I didn't dispute that.
Nor do I see it as relevant to exemption from public health requirements designed to prevent danger to him & others.
But you & I already have a fundamental disagreement over
whether Covid poses a danger at all, ie, no common ground.

It depends on the nature of the symptoms

(We never discussed exemptions related to mental illness)

Please pay attention to who said what.
The OP stated his belief in adrenochroming.
I was attempting to alert you to what it meant.

What does this have to do with not taking the vaccine because of mental illness?

I'm urging trying harder to discern my meaning,
rather than leaping to a mistaken inference.

You'd have to clarify it so you're better understood.

That slight would be more effective if you got the spelling right.

This is another deflect.

When I said honest, I meant when you said this:

While this isn't in the joke forum, drinking baby blood
very strongly suggests tongue in cheek. To what extent
is the whole OP this way?
In any event, I don't find fear a cromulent exemption.

Edit.
Be honest and own your words.... if not, why the edit?
-

Joke or not, what did you mean?

 

[Revoltingest]

Now you are making excuses....

I was being diplomatic by assuming responsibility
for someone else's misreading. I do this for you too.

 

[We Never Know]

What about "peach"?
I recommend not pressing this.

Are you threatening me? Be precise and give direct answers.

 

[Revoltingest]

...if you said all unvaxxed people should die...

But I didn't, so I'm not addressing such distractions.
Please stay on topic.

 

[Revoltingest]

Are you mixing an mental health illness and people believing conspiracy theories?

They are separate to some extent.

 

[Revoltingest]

OMG!!! Schizophrenia is not a belief.

The belief is in adrenochroming.
Please pay attention.

 

[F1fan]

It appears that some argue it's their personal choice to risk
infecting you. And this choice is made more compelling if
someone has a diagnosis of mental illness that exempts
them from legal & business requirements.

One thing I observe in people I know IRL is that objection
to vaccination, masking, & social separation evaporates
when a close friend or family member gets it, & gets it bad.
Alas, sometimes the regrets are irreversible when they die.
I've lost a few friends to it, & nearly lost more. Covid is real.

Yeah, I have friends who are dubious. They claim their rights and freedom. My response is what about my freedom from infection? I'm going to lose perhaps two weeks of work. My goals for my cyclocross this fall are in question now. I missed out on an event tonight with a friend. Where's the freedom to have health and well being? This idealistic "freedom" argument fails when the issue of personal responsibility comes into play. Basic social contract theory is how the group cooperates together so the whole society can be its best, and that often takes small personal sacrifices. How many have died because some idealistic anti-masker infected them in public? There's no justification for it.

 

[Revoltingest]

With a Dr's excuse he would have authority over your personal rules.

So you say.
But it's my business, not the good doctor's.
You're welcome to let unvaccinated schizophrenics into your
business with your family in it. However, I am more cautious.

 

[We Never Know]

The belief is in adrenochroming.
Please pay attention.

Schizophrenia is a illness that presents many thing including beliefs. Learn about it.

 

[We Never Know]

So you say.
But it's my business, not the good doctor's.
You're welcome to let unvaccinated schizophrenics into your
business with your family in it. However, I am more cautious.

If I rented from you and my Dr said I need a ramp. Guess what.. You would be building a ramp. If you don't agree with this. I will come rent from you just to prove it.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

So you say.
But it's my business, not the good doctor's.
You're welcome to let unvaccinated schizophrenics into your
business with your family in it. However, I am more cautious.

Do you mean "unvaccinated schizophrenics" to mean they are crazy antivaxxers making mental health excuses to avoid the vaccine?

 

[Revoltingest]

Yeah, I have friends who are dubious. They claim their rights and freedom. My response is what about my freedom from infection? I'm going to lose perhaps two weeks of work. My goals for my cyclocross this fall are in question now. I missed out on an event tonight with a friend. Where's the freedom to have health and well being? This idealistic "freedom" argument fails when the issue of personal responsibility comes into play. Basic social contract theory is how the group cooperates together so the whole society can be its best, and that often takes small personal sacrifices. How many have died because some idealistic anti-masker infected them in public? There's no justification for it.

I know some of the same type. They're all about their own
rights. But they're unconcerned with the rights of others.
Oh, do we have some lively discussions....much more vigorous
than this mild donnybrook.

Roles are all mixed up here. I'm the individualist...the libertarian
who is supposed to not care about responsibility to society.
Yet here I am arguing for considering the welfare of others, &
not seeking reasons to evade this responsibility. Go figure.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

They are separate to some extent.

How so?

Post 95 makes it seem like they are interrelated to you.