What Age Is Acceptable To Identify As The Opposite Sex?

[McBell]

I don't think there are any solid, useful definitions. I think these terms were popularized by activists and now lots of people use them without really understanding how slippery they are.

For example, I think that often when people use the term, they'd be better off using the word "personality". For example, a tomboy is a sort of personality type, because you can't really tie a tomboy down to a gender.

again, how do YOU define them?

If you can not/will not offer up a definition, why should anyone pay any attention to your whining about the definitions given?

 

[McBell]

When I was 4 I wanted to be a Pirate; Thank God I was not able to have an eye removed and a "peg-leg" replacing my healthy leg.

WTF does that have to do with gender?

I sincerely hope you do think them the same thing.

 

[McBell]

But if the labels they put upon you are factually correct, why can't you just accept people are gonna see you for who you truly are?

Does not matter in the least little bit how you see yourself.
People are going to put on you the labels they will put on you.
Your permission or acceptance is completely irrelevant.

 

[Kfox]

WTF does that have to do with gender?

I sincerely hope you do think them the same thing.

He/She are also biological terms. So if somebody uses a pronoun you don't identify with gender wise, perhaps they aren't referring to your gender, perhaps they are referring to your biology.

 

[Kfox]

Does not matter in the least little bit how you see yourself.
People are going to put on you the labels they will put on you.
Your permission or acceptance is completely irrelevant.

Welcome to the real world.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

When I was 4 I wanted to be a Pirate; Thank God I was not able to have an eye removed and a "peg-leg" replacing my healthy leg.

So you don't know how a medical transition works or how pirates lost an eye or a leg, and you ignored where I pointed out a medical transition is lengthy and guided.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

He/She are also biological terms. So if somebody uses a pronoun you don't identify with gender wise, perhaps they aren't referring to your gender, perhaps they are referring to your biology.

That's just called excusing being a jerk.

 

[The Hammer]

But if the labels they put upon you are factually correct, why can't you just accept people are gonna see you for who you truly are?

Because others don't get to define WHO I truly am.

Only I do.

 

[icehorse]

again, how do YOU define them?

If you can not/will not offer up a definition, why should anyone pay any attention to your whining about the definitions given?

Okay THAT was one of the most illogical things I've heard in a long time!

In your world is it only useful to criticize an idea when you have a solution? If that was how the world worked science would be positively hobbled.

i told you, I'm open to hearing a solid, useful definition. Many people in this thread have used the term, why won't anyone define what they mean when they choose to use it? No one is forcing them to use it, correct?

 

[Kfox]

So you don't know how a medical transition works or how pirates lost an eye or a leg, and you ignored where I pointed out a medical transition is lengthy and guided.

My point is, there is a reason we don't allow 4 year olds to make life altering decisions

 

[Kfox]

That's just called excusing being a jerk.

No, the point is; you shouldn't just ASSUME someone is referring to your gender because they refereed to you as he or she.

 

[Kfox]

Because others don't get to define WHO I truly am.

Only I do.

True! But you don't get to insist everyone else participate in why you think you truly are.

 

[The Hammer]

True! But you don't get to insist everyone else participate in why you think you truly are.

True.

But I do get to ask for basic respect. And if that isn't given. Well, that's why people become ******** about it.

Respect =\= participating

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Your gender would also be male.

No, my gender is my first person subjective experince of what gender I feel I have.

 

[Argentbear]

I don't think there are any solid, useful definitions. I think these terms were popularized by activists and now lots of people use them without really understanding how slippery they are.

For example, I think that often when people use the term, they'd be better off using the word "personality". For example, a tomboy is a sort of personality type, because you can't really tie a tomboy down to a gender.

Define "tomboy" without referencing to biological sex or gender norms

 

[Argentbear]

He/She are also biological terms. So if somebody uses a pronoun you don't identify with gender wise, perhaps they aren't referring to your gender, perhaps they are referring to your biology.

or maybe they are just being jerks

 

[Argentbear]

You can always change your mind about those decisions or alternate the path. You can get divorced, change career, etc, but with sex change, at a young age if done you are stuck with it.

Sex changes don't happen at a young age

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

I don't think there are any solid, useful definitions. I think these terms were popularized by activists and now lots of people use them without really understanding how slippery they are.

For example, I think that often when people use the term, they'd be better off using the word "personality". For example, a tomboy is a sort of personality type, because you can't really tie a tomboy down to a gender.

Well, your standard is in the end objective evidence. So you have to give objective evidence that the field we are debating is relevant for objective evidence only and that you only give objective evidence yourself.
As it stands what you think is not relevantif it doesn't have objective evidence. You have to give objective evidence that only solid, useful defintions are relevant, because those are possible with objective evidence.

In effect you are apply a double standard of what makes sense you if it is without objective evidence, but you demand it for us.
My point is what my gender is my first person experince of what it feels like to be a gender. And that is true and real, but it has no objective evidence, because it is how I feel.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

He/She are also biological terms. So if somebody uses a pronoun you don't identify with gender wise, perhaps they aren't referring to your gender, perhaps they are referring to your biology.

Yeah, they run around and strip people naked and check their external biological sex. Then they perform a field DNA test and instantly know the biological sex.
It is written into the US law that you are allowed to test people like that at any time and you don't have to rely on how they look as per gender. You never ever refer to somebody based on their gender as per non-biological external clothing and so on.

In effect yopu are not a mechanic but a field biologist and that is your life to test people for their sex.

 

[Pawpatrol]

Well tough. We do it anyway, amd we'll keep doing it.

Said every toddler ever. They need someone to put up the boundaries, you know. Otherwise the world becomes unsafe and they can't even trust what's between their legs.