What are Hamas' leaders thinking?

[LuisDantas]

Hamas was created by Israeli and US intelligence services to counteract Yasser Arafat, Ron Paul explains – NaturalNews.com

The recent terror attack on Israel by Hamas is a senseless tragedy that we can already see is going to have lasting repercussions on world affairs, especially in the Middle East. Why, then, did the United States and Israel itself create Hamas back in the 1970s? Before Hamas was what it is today...

www.naturalnews.com

Not very helpful, I fear, even if taken at face value.

I have no doubt that there was encouragement at various points for alternatives to Fatah, and it is all but certain that someone from Israel and from the USA agencies at some point encouraged Hamas to oppose Fatah.

That is simply not very significant, even in the abstract. The plain fact is the Hamas is composed of Palestinians and follows no directives from Israel nor the USA in any way, shape or form.

I am sincerely wondering why you went through the trouble of posting that link. It can't possibly be because it would clarify anything, since it... does not.

Surely you knew as much before typing your post? In all honesty, that article approaches Fox News levels of misdirection and misinformation.

 

[Ebionite]

That is simply not very significant, even in the abstract.

It's more meaningful when it's not seen as an isolated event. A similar case is the transition of the Mujahadeen in Afghanistan into Al Qaeda.

Shortly before his untimely death, former British Foreign Secretary Robin Cook told the House of Commons that “Al Qaeda” is not really a terrorist group but a database of international mujaheddin and arms smugglers used by the CIA and Saudis to funnel guerrillas, arms, and money into Soviet-occupied Afghanistan.

Is Al Qaeda an "Existential Threat"? What is the Meaning of Al Qaeda in Arabic? - Global Research

Global Research Introduction This incisive article by Pierre-Henri Bunel, a former member of France’s Military Intelligence, initially published by Global Research in 2005, sheds light on the nature of Al Qaeda, an intelligence construct used by Washington to destabilize and destroy sovereign...

www.globalresearch.ca

 

[LuisDantas]

It's more meaningful when it's not seen as an isolated event. A similar case is the transition of the Mujahadeen in Afghanistan into Al Qaeda.

Shortly before his untimely death, former British Foreign Secretary Robin Cook told the House of Commons that “Al Qaeda” is not really a terrorist group but a database of international mujaheddin and arms smugglers used by the CIA and Saudis to funnel guerrillas, arms, and money into Soviet-occupied Afghanistan.

Is Al Qaeda an "Existential Threat"? What is the Meaning of Al Qaeda in Arabic? - Global Research

Global Research Introduction This incisive article by Pierre-Henri Bunel, a former member of France’s Military Intelligence, initially published by Global Research in 2005, sheds light on the nature of Al Qaeda, an intelligence construct used by Washington to destabilize and destroy sovereign...

www.globalresearch.ca

Sigh.

You can do better.

 

[Ebionite]

Sigh.

You can do better.

You've heard of "The Best Enemy Money Can Buy", right? Major Jordan's diaries?

 

[ImmortalFlame]

Which seems like a convenient sin of omission. For decades, Jordan and Egypt have also tightly restricted how Palestinians live. I think that we must consider the broader context.

I will ask again: what does that have to do with what I said? Explain, precisely, the connective relevant tissue between the statement "Israel have blockaded Gaza and cut-off food, clean water, fuel and power for 2.3 million people, which is explicitly a war crime" and "Jordan and Egypt also do things to restrict how Palestinians live". Where, exactly, is the omission?

 

[exchemist]

It doesn't matter. Natural News was reporting other sources, and their political leaning or view on conspiracies is irrelevant. Your ad-hom relates to that irrelevancy.


Because anyone who reports facts that you don't like must be crap, right?

Telling you your source is crap (which it is, by the way) is not ad hominem. Ad hominem would be telling you that you are an idiot.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

I shrugged off yet another attempt by you to demonise me and misrepresent me.

No, that's literally what you did. Your response to me pointing out Israel engaging in an active war crime against the millions of civilians in Gaza was to say "Bad luck, take it up with the UN", and earlier you argued that having war crimes committed against you justified retaliatory war crimes against the perpetrator. You explicitly do not care about civilian deaths; that is the logical conclusion of your arguments.

Meanwhile, you also claimed that I regarded Hamas as "resistance fighters", when what I have said is the EXACT AND EXPLICIT OPPOSITE of that. And yet you accuse ME of demonisation. Sure.

**mod edit** I should know better than to continue biting your bait.

Congratulations, for being the first person here, to genuinely insult me properly. Good job! You actually rattled me. Doesn't happen often. Noice...

All experiences make us richer.

Maybe this experience will make you realize that your stated positions actually provide justification for killing civilians.

 

[Ebionite]

Telling you your source is crap (which it is, by the way) is not ad hominem.

You're right, it's actually evidence that a poster lacks the skills necessary to express a coherent argument.

 

[Ebionite]

Ad hominem would be telling you that you are an idiot.

No, that would be simple abuse and I would report it like I did last time.

 

[Little Dragon]

Maybe this experience will make you realize that your stated positions actually provide justification for killing civilians.

Maybe I should just put you on ignore, would be for the best I think. You're definitely on my list of hostile and incoherent posters.

 

[Little Dragon]

You explicitly do not care about civilian deaths; that is the logical conclusion of your arguments.

That is your misguided and erroneous conclusion. A conclusion you are welcome to have, your opinion of me personally, your laughable judgement, means absolutely nothing to me.

 

[Little Dragon]

I hope not but this could get nasty real quick.

British warships, aircraft, and a force of Royal Marines are joining a US Navy carrier strike group in waters near Israel​

MSN

www.msn.com

Good stuff. To deter Israel's enemies in Lebanon and Iran. From taking advantage of the situation.

 

[Little Dragon]

It's ocean at their back and Israel to the North. Where are they supposed to go?

Egypt, possibly. Negotiations between Egyptian and Israeli authorities on this possibility are ongoing.

 

[Little Dragon]

Israel have blockaded Gaza and cut-off food, clean water, fuel and power for 2.3 million people

All actions have consequences, Hamas massacred innocents, including babies and the elderly. There has to be a response to that. If blockading Gaza puts pressure on Hamas and or harms their defensive capacity, then it is of strategic value to do so. If not, then it is just punishment.

Israel's IDF forces are massed up against Gaza and preparing for an all out invasion, to launch seek and destroy operations against Hamas vermin., hiding in their ratways.

Flush that putrid terrorist filth out of their tunnels and apartments and any other building they may be using operationally.

Israel has no option but to do this, if it wants to stop Hamas from doing what it did again, anytime soon.

Know this Mr/Mrs Bleeding heart. I will rejoice at the sight of every dead Hamas fighter. I will toast the IDF and in my eyes they will have redeemed their failure to protect, one by one. A mountain of dead Hamas, is what will result, Gods willing. As for palestinian citizens, I would urge them to give information about Hamas activities in Gaza, to assist the IDF in exterminating the terrorists. That way they can help end this sooner, and limit the collateral damage.

Victory to Israel, death to Hamas.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Know this Mr/Mrs Bleeding heart. I will rejoice at the sight of every dead Hamas fighter. I will toast the IDF and in my eyes they will have redeemed their failure to protect, one by one. A mountain of dead Hamas, is what will result, Gods willing. As for palestinian citizens, I would urge them to give information about Hamas activities in Gaza, to assist the IDF in exterminating the terrorists. That way they can help end this sooner, and limit the collateral damage.

Victory to Israel, death to Hamas.

^ empty jingoistic virtue signaling -- no one should be impressed by such chest-thumping.

 

[Little Dragon]

^ empty jingoistic virtue signaling -- no one should be impressed by such chest-thumping.

It wasn't directed at you, so. I don't care what you think. Not one tiny bit.

 

[Little Dragon]

^ empty jingoistic virtue signaling -- no one should be impressed by such chest-thumping.

If you want to discuss something, you know, debate anything. Other than swooping in with catty personal remarks. Then anytime. I would look forward to determining just what your dysfunction is precisely. If not, then don't bother responding with your irrelevant judgement about me personally.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

It wasn't directed at you, so. I don't care what you think. Not one tiny bit.

And yet you respond with two successive responses. Your posturing should impress no one, and especially no one with tangible experience with, and ties in, Israel.

 

[Little Dragon]

and especially no one with tangible experience with, and ties in, Israel.

How would you know that though eh? Hmm?

 

[Little Dragon]

And yet you respond with two successive responses.

Actually I wanted to address your endearing hostility to me for some time. Don't worry though the feeling is mutual.