What are Hamas' leaders thinking?

[Sargonski]

HAMAS is literally designated a terrorist organisation. Has been for some time. HAMAS have made it clear that they will not negotiate, and that the only solution in their eyes, is an Islamic republic and the total destruction of the state of Israel.

The "terrorists" are on both sides of this.
The big difference is that Israel's is systematic
with government approval, including USA's.

The greater power to end mutual hostilities
& violence lies with the more powerful party.
It's Israel's move.
And it has chosen the status quo.

"Terrorists on both sides of fence" - Little D - one side far bigger than the other in terms of acts of terror .. designated so by the UN .. War Crimes .. Crimes against Humanity .. and Apartheid State.

Cry and dribble about taking hostages ... For Israel this is a weekly sport .. when not killing families .. civilians like no tomorrow .. shooting protestors .. newest trick is shooting at the ankles .. The Media .. the Crippled in wheelchair .. and of course medical staff trying to help the wounded from some massive bomb strike in crowded civilian area.

State Sponsored Terrorism .. now out of the mouths we hear the Neocon Talking heads .. telling us how they are going to deal with these animals .. meaning not just Hamas .. but code word for .. Kill all of these animals .. show no restraint.. Starkly reminiscient of Godwin's Law.. but let us not go there.

 

[Revoltingest]

"Terrorists on both sides of fence" - Little D - one side far bigger than the other in terms of acts of terror .. designated so by the UN .. War Crimes .. Crimes against Humanity .. and Apartheid State.

Cry and dribble about taking hostages ... For Israel this is a weekly sport .. when not killing families .. civilians like no tomorrow .. shooting protestors .. newest trick is shooting at the ankles .. The Media .. the Crippled in wheelchair .. and of course medical staff trying to help the wounded from some massive bomb strike in crowded civilian area.

State Sponsored Terrorism .. now out of the mouths we hear the Neocon Talking heads .. telling us how they are going to deal with these animals .. meaning not just Hamas .. but code word for .. Kill all of these animals .. show no restraint.. Starkly reminiscient of Godwin's Law.. but let us not go there.

If one focuses only upon the sins of the
side one opposes, this is the mind killer.
It leads to intransigence & more violence.
Examples...

Israeli official calls for "doomsday" nuclear missile option

The lawmaker said the time has passed to have "mercy" on militant terrorists.

www.newsweek.com

Israel texts Gaza civilians to flee as vast army gathers to 'crush' Hamas

ISRAEL has texted civilians in Gaza warning them to flee south to Egypt as it prepares for an all-out ground assault to “crush” Hamas. It follows another night of devastating air raids …

www.the-sun.com

 

[Little Dragon]

Hating israel is not hating Jews. That blanket assumption is for the little minds.

Don't do it then.

 

[Little Dragon]

Apparently you approve of hate crimes.

Apparently? Either I do or don't. If I do, why?

 

[Little Dragon]

Cry and dribble about taking hostages ... For Israel this is a weekly sport .. when not killing families .. civilians like no tomorrow .. shooting protestors .. newest trick is shooting at the ankles .. The Media .. the Crippled in wheelchair .. and of course medical staff trying to help the wounded from some massive bomb strike in crowded civilian area.

Whataboutism. Irrelevant.

 

[Little Dragon]

If one focuses only upon the sins of the
side one opposes, this is the mind killer.
It leads to intransigence & more violence.
Examples...

Israeli official calls for "doomsday" nuclear missile option

The lawmaker said the time has passed to have "mercy" on militant terrorists.

www.newsweek.com

Israel texts Gaza civilians to flee as vast army gathers to 'crush' Hamas

ISRAEL has texted civilians in Gaza warning them to flee south to Egypt as it prepares for an all-out ground assault to “crush” Hamas. It follows another night of devastating air raids …

www.the-sun.com

I focus on the victims caught in between. HAMAS is a terrorist organisation that I revile, Israel is a democratic nation state that is in the grip of a far right government, something as a socialist, I oppose on basic principle. On balance, I believe HAMAS is by far the greatest obstacle to peace and stability in the region.

 

[We Never Know]

If one focuses only upon the sins of the
side one opposes, this is the mind killer.
It leads to intransigence & more violence.
Examples...

Israeli official calls for "doomsday" nuclear missile option

The lawmaker said the time has passed to have "mercy" on militant terrorists.

www.newsweek.com

Israel texts Gaza civilians to flee as vast army gathers to 'crush' Hamas

ISRAEL has texted civilians in Gaza warning them to flee south to Egypt as it prepares for an all-out ground assault to “crush” Hamas. It follows another night of devastating air raids …

www.the-sun.com

Three more countries warn US about getting involved.

"BAGHDAD (Reuters) -Powerful Iraqi and Yemeni armed groups aligned with Iran have threatened to target U.S. interests with missiles and drones if Washington intervenes to support Israel in its conflict with Hamas in Gaza that already shows signs of expanding to further fronts."

MSN

www.msn.com

 

[Little Dragon]

Three more countries warn US about getting involved.

"BAGHDAD (Reuters) -Powerful Iraqi and Yemeni armed groups aligned with Iran have threatened to target U.S. interests with missiles and drones if Washington intervenes to support Israel in its conflict with Hamas in Gaza that already shows signs of expanding to further fronts."

MSN

www.msn.com

The US will not abandon Israel, and Israel has just mobilized 400k reservists, they're good for now.

 

[Father Heathen]

Think your memory is indeed mistaken LOL Seems to me you were the one got Triggered upon learning the Blue rope a dope trope was propaganda .. I was just trying to tell you the facts ..

Not sure what "blue rope a dope trope" is supposed to refer to, but sure, I'm totally triggered/owned/rekt, etc.

Azov Nazi's in the pride-land .. that kind of thing. Did you not see the Canadian Prime Minister honoring Nazi in Parliament ..

Of course nazi = bad, but the U.S. has them as well (List of neo-Nazi organizations - Wikipedia) so perhaps Russia should also invade and annex Alaska if that alone is justification enough. But wait, Russia also has their own nazis (see link), so why wouldn't they focus on their own nazi problem?

 

[We Never Know]

The US will not abandon Israel, and Israel has just mobilized 400k reservists, they're good for now.

Only took three days..

First US shipment of advanced weaponry arrives in Israel​

"The first U.S. shipment of advanced weaponry arrived in Israel on Tuesday, fulfilling the Biden administration’s promise of backing the nation in its war against Hamas.

Israel Defense Force (IDF) spokesperson Daniel Hagari said the first plane carrying advanced ammunition landed in Israel’s Nebatim Air Base late Tuesday night, according to a post on X, formerly Twitter. Hagari said the weapons will “enable significant strikes and preparations for additional scenarios.”

MSN

www.msn.com

 

[Revoltingest]

I focus on the victims caught in between. HAMAS is a terrorist organisation that I revile, Israel is a democratic nation state that is in the grip of a far right government, something as a socialist, I oppose on basic principle. On balance, I believe HAMAS is by far the greatest obstacle to peace and stability in the region.

Consider why Hamas exists. It's a symptom of
the greatest obstacle to peace & stability, ie,
Israel's treatment of Palestinians.

 

[We Never Know]

Consider why Hamas exists. It's a symptom of
the greatest obstacle to peace & stability, ie,
Israel's treatment of Palestinians.

Hamas was said to have been started because some Palestinians were killed in an auto accident involving an Israeli driver.

 

[Sargonski]

If one focuses only upon the sins of the
side one opposes, this is the mind killer.
It leads to intransigence & more violence.
Examples...

Israeli official calls for "doomsday" nuclear missile option

The lawmaker said the time has passed to have "mercy" on militant terrorists.

www.newsweek.com

Israel texts Gaza civilians to flee as vast army gathers to 'crush' Hamas

ISRAEL has texted civilians in Gaza warning them to flee south to Egypt as it prepares for an all-out ground assault to “crush” Hamas. It follows another night of devastating air raids …

www.the-sun.com

Well put .. There is no right side in a blood feud and choosing a side only serves to prolong the killing .. needed to get "Draconian" Lex Talionis eye for eye .. tooth for tooth .. like our good friend Draco did to end the Blood Feuds in ancient Greece .. and especially pisses me off these shinanigans in the ME .. including air strikes in Syria for 4 years or more .. Turkey not a fan .. at all.. Nuclear power should not be pushing buttons .. said many a time .. worry more about Israel being the one to use a nuke than .. any of the others .. including North Korea..

 

[Sargonski]

Not sure what "blue rope a dope trope" is supposed to refer to, but sure, I'm totally triggered/owned/rekt, etc.

Of course nazi = bad, but the U.S. has them as well (List of neo-Nazi organizations - Wikipedia) so perhaps Russia should also invade and annex Alaska if that alone is justification enough. But wait, Russia also has their own nazis (see link), so why wouldn't they focus on their own nazi problem?

Yes .. the Nazi everywhere .. and the point of telling us this riveting information is ?

 

[Heyo]

Hamas would expect an Israeli over-reaction that
abuses & kills many civilians. This is happening.
Hamas might seek for the purpose of painting
Israel as murderous thugs, thereby turning some
of the world against them.

That has worked charmingly in the past.
I don't know enough about the situation in Palestine but if Hamas was losing support, they may have done it to re-establish themselves as "the fighters for freedom" within Palestine.
The other option is that some foreign force is interested in re-heating the conflict and has promised support for Hamas.
Yes, the later sounds like conspiracy theory but that is how international politics works.

 

[Heyo]

One of the more thoughtless tendencies I'm seeing is that of equating "Hamas" with "Palestinian." It's an equation that serves only to prettify the former while seriously demonizing and endangering the latter.

Yes, it is thoughtless to equate Hamas with the people who's only crime is to have voted Hamas into power and keep on supporting them.
And yes, it is equally thoughtless to equate the Israeli people (or even "the Jews") with the government they have elected.

 

[Father Heathen]

Yes .. the Nazi everywhere .. and the point of telling us this riveting information is ?

You're the one who brought them up, so that's a question we should be asking you.

 

[LuisDantas]

"What was Hamas thinking?"

This is one situation in which, I fear, certainty is a danger and even an enemy to pretty much everyone. The situation of Israel and its neighbors is so bloody and has so little expectation of peaceful situation that it is only human to want to conceive some promise of resolution and to develop a high degree of emotional attachment to whatever might seem necessary to reach that hope.

I have to assume that Hamas, as pretty much any other group, has in reality some significant variation of thought despite a practical need to appear united at least when declaring goals and values for outsiders. That is understandable and necessary in and of itself.

Some of its current goals are fairly safe bets. Hamas wants to oppose Israel's current government, and probably its very existence as well (since that is famously and openly one of its main goals). It wants to reaffirm its existence, its relevance, its visibility and its significance. Perhaps slightly less obviously, it wants to be perceived as significantly different from its main rivals, which I assume to include Fatah. And of course, they want to bring worldwide attention to their actions and to their conflict with Israel.

It is fairly clear that they wanted to trouble the recent talks between Israel and Saudi Arabia, and I assume that in that they were succesful at least for the short term. The timing (50th anniversary of Yom Kippur) must be significant as well.

We would probably do well in attempting to learn from the social reality of the West Bank to better understand how and why Hamas exists and has so much support among the locals. To me personally that is one of the most difficult and troubling questions in this whole matter.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

What was Hamas thinking?"

Yesterday the Christian Science Monitor ran a rather long opinion piece under the headline "In Gaza, a different view of the Hamas raid on Israel". It's both painful and useful to read.

 

[Little Dragon]

Consider why Hamas exists. It's a symptom of
the greatest obstacle to peace & stability, ie,
Israel's treatment of Palestinians.

HAMAS will not get my sympathy. The Palestinian people, trapped in Gaza, like convicts, and now under siege. Do get my sympathy. Stuck between a rock and a hard place. Hamas are filth. They do not care about the Palestinians, they only care about creating an Islamic state, and destroying Israel.