What are Hamas' leaders thinking?

[We Never Know]

Have you ever considered examining this conflict
from the Palestinians' perspective? It's necessary
if one wants to understand why Hamas exists,
& craft a path to eventual peace.

I'm sure ISIS has/had reasons for what they do too if you look at it from their perspective.
To have peace, one must want peace.

 

[Estro Felino]

One of the greatest Arab leaders said:

 

[Shaul]

Hamas members are usually thinking about one thing more than anything else, "How can we kill Jews?"

 

[Estro Felino]

Hamas members are usually thinking about one thing more than anything else, "How can we kill Jews?"

One question: wouldn't it have been better if Iran were still a monarchy, with a shah in good terms with all the NATO countries?

 

[Little Dragon]

More skillful Israeli attacks on Haas shouldn't be
the wish. The attacks are what they are, ie, deadly
to Palestinian civilians. The greatly increasing
Gaza death toll will fuel more attacks on Israel.

Instead, wish that Israel seek peace & justice.

Israel has every right to defend it's citizens, I am sure if the same thing happened to the US, you'd be singing a different tune. Israeli citizens were massacred, babies beheaded, families shot in front of each other, by inhuman trash. There can be no mercy for Hamas. Flushing them out of those tunnels wont be easy, however there are ways and means. In such confined spaces, certain types of weaponry, will be very effective.
I absolutely wish that every Hamas fighter is either killed or captured, there can be no peace until they are neutralized.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Flushing them out of those tunnels wont be easy, however there are ways and means. In such confined spaces, certain types of weaponry, will be very effective.

It's always nice to get the insights of experts.

 

[Estro Felino]

Israel has every right to defend it's citizens, I am sure if the same thing happened to the US, you'd be singing a different tune. Israeli citizens were massacred, babies beheaded, families shot in front of each other, by inhuman trash. There can be no mercy for Hamas. Flushing them out of those tunnels wont be easy, however there are ways and means. In such confined spaces, certain types of weaponry, will be very effective.
I absolutely wish that every Hamas fighter is either killed or captured, there can be no peace until they are neutralized.

It's very hypocritical that the West says they support Israel in their fight against fundamentalists, radicals and terrorists (since they are all intertwined) and then they roll red carpets at certain countries, just because of economic interests.

 

[Little Dragon]

It's always nice to get the insights of experts.

This is a debate site, where opinions are offered. If you're here to obtain foreign policy advice or tactical military advice, then, you're probably in deep trouble.
As for expertise, I have some experience with chemistry, and some understanding and familiarity with the effects of certain chemical compounds and certain exothermic reactions, in confined spaces. Upon unprotected human beings.

Ps
Meow...

PPs

Gassed myself with hydrogen sulfide once, two days in hospital, nearly died, lolz. Occupational hazard as a former analytical chemist, not using a fume cupboard as he should have done, and was punished with the responsibility for creating new SOPs for dealing with hazardous ash samples.

 

[Little Dragon]

It's very hypocritical that the West says they support Israel in their fight against fundamentalists, radicals and terrorists (since they are all intertwined) and then they roll red carpets at certain countries, just because of economic interests.

Well that's as maybe. Still can't let people go around massacring people with impunity.

 

[Estro Felino]

Well that's as maybe. Still can't let people go around massacring people with impunity.

That's what I am saying.
But the problem is the ideology that foments such terrorism, and the source of that ideology is in certain countries that the West befriends, just because of oil.

 

[Little Dragon]

That's what I am saying.
But the problem is the ideology that foments such terrorism, and the source of that ideology is in certain countries that the West befriends, just because of oil.

Corruption and greed, gotta love global corporate capitalism and vested national interests.

 

[Mock Turtle]

It's always nice to get the insights of experts.

So why are you an expert?

 

[Little Dragon]

One question: wouldn't it have been better if Iran were still a monarchy, with a shah in good terms with all the NATO countries?

Not good for the Iranians though. He was as bad as the rest, when it came to oppressing his own people.

 

[Colt]

I disagree with all that.

That doesn't mean its not true, IMOP you have simply been seduced by the rationalization of Neo Islamic fundamentalism.

 

[Estro Felino]

Not good for the Iranians though. He was as bad as the rest, when it came to oppressing his own people.

Are you kidding?
Are you saying that the regime of today is better?
Have you seen what happens to women, there?

I sincerely hope you're joking.

 

[LuisDantas]

My speculation is always of value in a discussion group like this. Same as yours, Jay.



Maybe. The timing is awfully coincidental, and we know that Iran is the well-known dot in the middle. It is almost certain that both events were planned months in advance. Both Russia and Iran now have close security and intelligence agreements.

Maybe it is just me, but I think that timing-based arguments are on a shaky ground these days. We are all just too high-strung far too often, because there are so many worrisome situations happening at the same time and lasting for so long.

At any given day, there are simply too many sensitive situations happening. Out of the top of my head, there is the situation of the Tories; here in Brazil, the long-expected admission from Mauro Cid that Bolsonaro participated in the coup plans found many months ago; there is the impasse about the USA Speaker of the House; the aftermath of the WGA strike in the USA; again in Brazil, there are the transportation strikes in São Paulo; we are of course still watching the counteroffensive in Ukraine; hasn't North Korea recently announced what appears to be an initiative for producing atomic weapons; hey what is Iran up to again, how come I lost sight of it; and how is the SNP dealing with the recent by-election results?

 

[LuisDantas]

Have you ever considered examining this conflict
from the Palestinians' perspective? It's necessary
if one wants to understand why Hamas exists,
& craft a path to eventual peace.

What is your take on why Hamas exists and why it can exist and have so much support in Gaza?

I have seen (mostly Brazilian) claims that somehow Hamas isn't representative of Gaza Palestinians. That may or may not be true, but even if true it is a claim that brings more questions than it answers.

 

[Revoltingest]

I'm sure ISIS has/had reasons for what they do too if you look at it from their perspective.

Aye, ISIS too has motives that must be understood.
If one dismisses them without consideration, then
this is aggressive ignorance that will defeat any
possible solution to stop the violence.

This could explain the common comparison that
Israeli apologists between Hamas & ISIS. This
intentional refusal to understand the fundamentally
different motive serves only to demonize Hamas,
& refuse to give Palestinians justice.

To have peace, one must want peace.

It is up to Israel, the far far greater power that
makes the law, & oppresses Palestinians, keeping
them destitute & corralled. The greater power
bears the singular ability & responsibility to pursue
peace & justice. Think of USA vs Indians pre-1900,
& Putin vs Ukraine.

 

[LuisDantas]

One of the greatest Arab leaders said:

Considering that even his own people could barely tolerate the thought of his existence at the end, maybe we should not call him that?

(There are other, far better reasons too, but this is the most difficult to even attempt to counter IMO)

 

[LuisDantas]

One question: wouldn't it have been better if Iran were still a monarchy, with a shah in good terms with all the NATO countries?

That little experiment was what led to the ascension of the Iranian Islamic theocracy, so I have to go with "almost certainly not".

Unless you have some convincing reason to believe that it would go differently, I suppose.