The creation of that concentration camp should never have been allowed by US or the UN.
Them people should never have been uprooted from their homes within israel and the neutral city of jerusalem.
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What are Hamas' leaders thinking?
- Thread starter icehorse
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Them people should never have been uprooted from their homes within israel and the neutral city of jerusalem.
Hamas exists because the Muslim Brotherhood created it (thanks Egypt),the PLO Was just an appetiser for what was to come.
There’s no doubt Israel has made bad choices,imo they should rein in illegal settlements and definitely stop them but when you are in a corner which Israel is its not like “oh hey let’s talk peace”,Hamas would say “ok let’s talk peace” knowing that their aim is to annihilate you and everyone knows that but “hey it’s only Jews” so it’s ok,very sad.
It’s interesting to hear accounts of folks reaction to Hitler’s suicide. The common response is seemingly that it was “like breaking free of a spell.”
Maybe that’s their common excuse/justification.
But that’s always intrigued me somewhat.
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Copernicus
Industrial Strength Linguist
I have a conspiracy theory to offer here. Iran-backed Hamas made a massive sneak attack on Israel on Saturday, guaranteeing obsessive reporting in Western media and pledges of military aid from the US--at a time when the US is having trouble meeting Ukrainian military needs. On Sunday, the very next day, the gas pipeline between Estonia and Finland was sabotaged, guaranteeing a long winter without that supply. The repairs will not be finished before April. Neither the pipeline sabotage nor the Hamas attack was spur of the moment. Both had to have been planned months in advance. The timing is such that the Israel crisis suppresses media reporting on the pipeline explosion. Coincidence?
Analysts struggle to understand why Hamas suddenly launched that attack, and Russian media is now crowing that US and Israeli intelligence were asleep when Hamas attacked. Who stood to gain most from the chaos and suffering in Israel and the pipeline explosion? Iran and Russia. Who stood to lose the most, besides Israel? Ukraine, the US, Finland, and NATO. Maybe it was just coincidence. Maybe not.
Analysts struggle to understand why Hamas suddenly launched that attack, and Russian media is now crowing that US and Israeli intelligence were asleep when Hamas attacked. Who stood to gain most from the chaos and suffering in Israel and the pipeline explosion? Iran and Russia. Who stood to lose the most, besides Israel? Ukraine, the US, Finland, and NATO. Maybe it was just coincidence. Maybe not.
NATO to respond if Baltic Sea pipeline damage deliberate - alliance chief
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You mean rather than something of value?
Let me suggest that low-level noise from people who don't know what they don't know is less than helpful. The idea that "analysts struggle to understand" but you've managed to connect the dots seems a little silly.
Copernicus
Industrial Strength Linguist
My speculation is always of value in a discussion group like this. Same as yours, Jay.
Maybe. The timing is awfully coincidental, and we know that Iran is the well-known dot in the middle. It is almost certain that both events were planned months in advance. Both Russia and Iran now have close security and intelligence agreements.
Waging war certainly not kill innocents.
And war crimes will be done, either with
tacit permission or none at all.
I disagree with all that.
That is far different from the earlier claim...1987 – The founding of Hamas
"See also: First Intifada
In 1987, four Palestinians were killed in a traffic accident involving an Israeli driver, and the events that followed–a Palestinian uprising against Israel's West Bank and Gaza occupation–led Yassin and six other Palestinians to found Hamas as an offshoot of Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood."
History of Hamas - Wikipedia
en.m.wikipedia.org
We Never Know
No Slack
Lol. Not much different at all. I used "it was said" instead of "it was" because I didn't have time to look it up.
Reuters....
It began in December 1987 after a traffic accident in which an Israeli truck crashed into a vehicle carrying Palestinian workers in Gaza's Jabalya refugee camp, killing four. Stone-throwing protests, strikes and shutdowns followed.
Seizing the angry mood, the Egypt-based Muslim Brotherhood created an armed Palestinian branch, Hamas, with its power base in Gaza. Hamas, dedicated to Israel's destruction and restoration of Islamic rule in what it saw as occupied Palestine, became a rival to Yasser Arafat's secular Fatah party that led the Palestine Liberation Organization.
A brief history of Gaza's 75 years of woe
Gaza is a coastal strip of land that lay on ancient trading and maritime routes along the Mediterranean shore. Held by the Ottoman Empire until 1917, it passed from British to Egyptian to Israeli military rule over the last century and is now a fenced-in enclave inhabited by over 2 million...www.reuters.com
Israel has always the right of a Palestinian state to exist.
They treat Gaza as an open air prison.
This is Israel "talking peace".
Talking the talk.
Not walking the walk.
Little Dragon
Well-Known Member
There is waging war and killing civilians caught in the crossfire, which is terrible enough.
Then there is the quite deliberate and intentional killing of non combatants, some babies. The raping, and kidnapping of innocent people.
Including citizens from both our nations, I might add.
Hamas, should be eradicated, I wish the IDF all the best and if they wipe them out with restraint and precision, then they will win the respect of millions.
Israel & its apologists always claim that its foes are
"dedicated to Israel's destruction". It justifies oppressing
Palestinians, murdering Iranians, collective punishment,
torture, land seizures, & now killing civilian Gaza residents.
But notice that Israel is dedicated to letting Palestinians
have their own state, trying to get USA to attack Iran.
Feigning victimhood while blindly victimizing others.
Endlessly using the victim card...
We Never Know
No Slack
18 years ago Israel withdrew from Gaza abandoning settlements and evicting Israeli citizens to be relocated.
We Never Know
No Slack
"claim that its foes are "dedicated to Israel's destruction".
Sure looks they tried. Won't succeed but they are trying.
Better it would be to take the wind from Hamas's
sales by seeking peace & justice with Palestinians.
More skillful Israeli attacks on Haas shouldn't be
the wish. The attacks are what they are, ie, deadly
to Palestinian civilians. The greatly increasing
Gaza death toll will fuel more attacks on Israel.
Instead, wish that Israel seek peace & justice.
And so because Israel has existential
fears, oppression & war can never end.
They gotta think outside of that box.
Have you ever considered examining this conflict
from the Palestinians' perspective? It's necessary
if one wants to understand why Hamas exists,
& craft a path to eventual peace.