What Day was Jesus Crucified?

[Beta]

Passover was not a Sabbath.

All these misunderstandings start when people call the 'Days of Unleavened Bread ' the Passover as some still call it.
If only we would all stick to the right descriptions we would ALL know what we are talking about.
The day Jesus died was the 'preparation of the Passover' , a wednesday.
The next day beginning wed sunset was the first day of unleavened bread also a High Day or Sabbath or called Pasover by some. This Feast day was not the weekly Sabbath but one of the 7 yearly Feast Days, High Days or Sabbaths.
Since Christians don't observe them they have little knowledge of all the different names applied to them. Also christians try to compare the slaughter of the Lamb at the beginning of the 14th to the sacrifice of Jesus which was toward the end of the 14th. Time-wise the two events don't match up (since Jesus still ate the Passover meal with his Disciples) and we get this controversy in timing between the 14th and the 15th.

 

[smokydot]

i am fine, thanks for asking
i am speaking for my gay brothers and sisters. same sex marriage is still illegal because the religious believe they are morally superior and have the right to impose their beliefs on others.
that is why i brought up the emancipation proclamation, civil rights and equal rights for women. were these issues rightly subjected to religious dogma?

These issues were subject to the democratic process, the best form of government on the earth, as history will testify.
We are not islands, we live in a society today based on democracy, where Constitutional rights are protected, and if they are violated can be redressed by the Courts.

this is totally off topic and for that i am sorry.
if you want to continue we can PM each other.

 

[Beta]

Didn't you verify in post #257 that they counted part of a day as a day?

It is not up to man to count or reckon time in this instance.
We are told in scripture that Jesus death, burial and resurrection took place ACCORDING TO SCRIPTURE 1Cor.15v3,4. and scriptural days and nights are each 12 hours long Joh.11v9,10.
Let's stick to scripture !!!

 

[smokydot]

Christ died on Wednesday before the Passover sabbath on Thursday not the weekly sabbath on Saturday. In this way He was in the tomb for the full 3 days and 3 nights He said He would be. Thursday night Friday night and Saturday night Thursday day Friday day and Saturday day. In other words there were two sabbaths that week, the Passover sabbath on Thursday and the regular weekly sabbath on Saturday.

Except for the testimony of all four gospels that he ate the Passover.
That rules out Wednesday as the day he died, because Wednesday was before Passover.

 

[Beta]

Except for the testimony of all four gospels that he ate the Passover meal, after Wednesday.
That rules out Wednesday, which was the day before Passover, as the day he died.

The Bible or the Gospels don't even mention 'wednesday' but the date only ,the 14th. At the beginning of the 14th the lambs were slaughtered , roasted and eaten that same night which was the early part (night) of the 14th. Jesus was then crucified during the day-part of the 14th and was buried at or just before sunset wednesday.

 

[smokydot]

For more information on the "Day of Preparation for the Passover," see post #158.

The Passover lamb was sacrificed and roasted in the evening of the 14th, and then eaten the night of the 14th.

The following Passover day of the 14th was the Day of Preparation for the Feast of Unleavened Bread, and the day Jesus was crucified.

The clear evidence for the above dates is the testimony of all four gospels that
1) Jesus ate the Passover meal before he died, and
2) that he died on the day before the Sabbath, and
3) that he rose on the first day of the week, Sunday.

There is only way these reported facts add up:
1) he died on the 14th, Passover (day) Friday.
2) he was in the grave on the 15th (Saturday Sabbath of Unleavened Bread--no Wednesday Passover or Sabbath), and
3) he rose on the 16th (first day of the week, Sunday).

All four gospels give this account locating Jesus' death after the Passover meal.

Passover in the time of Jesus could mean three things:
1) Passover - Nisan 14, one-day feast
2) Unleavened Bread - Nisan 15-21, seven-day feast
3) both feasts together - Nisan 14-21, eight days of feasts

And none of these are used the same in the different gospels.

Then Unleavened Bread in the NT could mean two things:
1) Unleavened Bread - Nisan 15-21, seven-day feast, or
2) both feasts - Nisan 14-21, eight days of feasts

By the time of the NT, Unleavened Bread was often called Passover, but that is not the name it was given when it was legislated in Lev 23:4-8.
It seems the legislated names were correctly used for 800-900 years before there was abbreviation of them into just Passover to refer to any of the three meanings given above, in second response.

But by the time of the NT, the abbreviations were virtually interchangeable, and have to be sorted out according to their origins in the OT, where the legislation of them
in Leviticus gives the correct nomenclature and understanding of them, and then all four gospels give the actual practice of them in Jesus' lifetime.

There is interesting information on Jesus' connection to Passover in posts #178 and #179, brought to mind by Onlooker's posts.

 

[waitasec]

These issues were subject to the democratic process[/QUOTE}
the answer is yes then.

you believe slavery, civil rights and equal rights for women were rightly subjected to religious dogma. i don't understand how you can't see the correlation between these issues listed and same sex marriages.

i understand about the right to your opinion as far as taxes and how our money should be spent, if we should go to war or not. however, these civil issues are a product of intolerance and prejudice because one thinks they are morally superior.

it's as if the religious wants the rest of the world to bow to their demands. 'let me believe what i want and let my moral superiority guide you to god'

isn't it?

 

[smokydot]

These issues were subject to the democratic process.

the answer is yes then.

you believe slavery, civil rights and equal rights for women were rightly subjected to religious dogma. i don't understand how you can't see the correlation between these issues listed and same sex marriages.
i understand about the right to your opinion as far as taxes and how our money should be spent, if we should go to war or not. however, these civil issues are a product of intolerance and prejudice because one thinks they are morally superior.
it's as if the religious wants the rest of the world to bow to their demands. 'let me believe what i want and let my moral superiority guide you to god'
isn't it?

All I can say is, if you think these are the facts, you should go to Court to redress whatever Constitutional rights are being violated.

There is a remedy for violation of Constitutional rights, it is the Courts.

 

[smokydot]

All these misunderstandings start when people call the 'Days of Unleavened Bread ' the Passover as some still call it.
If only we would all stick to the right descriptions we would ALL know what we are talking about.
The day Jesus died was the 'preparation of the Passover' , a wednesday.
The next day beginning wed sunset was the first day of unleavened bread also a High Day or Sabbath or called Pasover by some. This Feast day was not the weekly Sabbath but one of the 7 yearly Feast Days, High Days or Sabbaths.
Since Christians don't observe them they have little knowledge of all the different names applied to them. Also christians try to compare the slaughter of the Lamb at the beginning of the 14th to the sacrifice of Jesus which was toward the end of the 14th. Time-wise the two events don't match up (since Jesus still ate the Passover meal with his Disciples)

They don't match up because all four gospels report that Jesus ate the Passover meal before he died.
Now do the math. . .he couldn't die on Preparation of the Passover and then eat the Passover meal, as all four gospels report him doing.

and we get this controversy in timing between the 14th and the 15th.

Which all four gospel accounts clearly sort out. . .Jesus died after eating the Passover meal.

Post #266 lays it all out.

 

[smokydot]

The Bible or the Gospels don't even mention 'wednesday' but the date only ,the 14th. At the beginning of the 14th the lambs were slaughtered , roasted and eaten that same night which was the early part (night) of the 14th. Jesus was then crucified during the day-part of the 14th and was buried at or just before sunset wednesday.

That doesn't work because Jesus died the day before the Sabbath and rose the day after the Sabbath, on the the first day of the week, Sunday.
Passover was not a Sabbath.

 

[fallingblood]

Except for the testimony of all four gospels that he ate the Passover meal, after Wednesday.
That rules out Wednesday, which was the day before Passover, as the day he died.

Can you show in John where Jesus ate the Passover meal? You can't. Because he doesn't. He has a last supper, but it is never called or suggested to be the Passover meal.

 

[Beta]

Smokydot , scripture tells us that Jesus ate the Pasover meal with his Disciples on the night of the 14th (which I never disputed) since night comes before day Jesus was still alive then. He died in the afternoon of that same day the 14th and was buried at sunset when the first day of unleavened bread started the 15th.
So we have the 'preparation of the Passover' when Jesus died and immediately we have the start of the first day of unleavened bread also called a High day,a Sabbath, a Feast day or Passover. Because it is called a Sabbath does not mean it is a saturday. Those 7 annual High days can fall any day of the week and are only called Sabbath because they are HOLY DAYS like the Saturday but do not have to be saturday.
Christians make the mistake of assuming a preparation day is before a saturday (sabbath) that the crucifixion must have been on a friday.
That is the result of falsly assuming what they reject and deny which is the true Sabbath and yearly Sabbaths.
Just out of curiosity I wonder how many debators of this subject actually observe Passover and the weekly/annual Sabbaths ??? :rainbow1:

 

[Beta]

Can you show in John where Jesus ate the Passover meal? You can't. Because he doesn't. He has a last supper, but it is never called or suggested to be the Passover meal.

You might read Mat.26v17-21
The Passover (meal) is the same as the Last Supper.

 

[Beta]

That doesn't work because the first day of Unleavened Bread was a Saturday Sabbath that year.

The first day of unleavened bread on that particular Passover could not have been a SATURDAY Sabbath as that would have invalidated Jesus' own prophecy in Mat.12v39,40.

 

[Poisonshady313]

Didn't you verify in post #257 that they counted part of a day as a day?

I said it was a mistaken belief. It was wrong... And because they were wrong, they sinned and strayed after the golden calf.

And in case you don't get it... that was a bad thing.


Bottom line: Part of a day is NOT a full day. When you think it is, you're wrong, and will probably end up straying after idols.

 

[smokydot]

The first day of unleavened bread on that particular Passover could not have been a SATURDAY Sabbath as that would have invalidated Jesus' own prophecy in Mat.12v39,40.

The gospels report his death the day before a Sabbath and his resurrection the day after a Sabbath.

Passover was not a Sabbath.

 

[smokydot]

Can you show in John where Jesus ate the Passover meal? You can't. Because he doesn't. He has a last supper, but it is never called or suggested to be the Passover meal.

You are so misinformed.

 

[Poisonshady313]

Sorry friend but my reckoning was wrong since I mistakenly (humanly) included wed night 'as wednesday ' when in fact GOD's days and nights start with sunset - consequently from sunset wed it would already be thursday (night) when Jesus was laid in the tomb.

The problem with what you're doing is you're conflating the Gregroian calendar with a Godly way of telling time... and that's what's screwing you up.

Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday... these things begin at midnight... these names are not Jewish/biblical ways of reckoning time. Whereas the 13th, 14th, 15th of the month begin at sundown.

For example... today is the 5th of Tevet. Today is Sunday. When the sun sets, it will still be Sunday, but it will become the 6th of Tevet.

Remember: They didn't use the names Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, or Saturday. We use those names now for the sake of convenience....

But don't confuse the two calendars. One works one way, and the other another.

again:

Today is the 5th of Tevet. Today is Sunday. When the sun sets, it will still be Sunday, but it will become the 6th of Tevet.


Your way of reckoning time originally ways spot on.

 

[smokydot]

The Bible or the Gospels don't even mention 'wednesday' but the date only ,the 14th. At the beginning of the 14th the lambs were slaughtered , roasted and eaten that same night which was the early part (night) of the 14th. Jesus was then crucified during the day-part of the 14th and was buried at or just before sunset wednesday.

The gospels report death the day before a Sabbath and resurrection on the first day of the week, Sunday.

Passover was not a Sabbath.

 

[Poisonshady313]

Sorry friend but my reckoning was wrong since I mistakenly (humanly) included wed night 'as wednesday ' when in fact GOD's days and nights start with sunset - consequently from sunset wed it would already be thursday (night) when Jesus was laid in the tomb.

The problem with what you're doing is you're conflating the Gregroian calendar with a Godly way of telling time... and that's what's screwing you up.

Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday... these things begin at midnight... these names are not Jewish/biblical ways of reckoning time. Whereas the 13th, 14th, 15th of the month begin at sundown.

For example... today is the 5th of Tevet. Today is Sunday. When the sun sets, it will still be Sunday, but it will become the 6th of Tevet.

Remember: They didn't use the names Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, or Saturday. We use those names now for the sake of convenience....

But don't confuse the two calendars. One works one way, and the other another.

again:

Today is the 5th of Tevet. Today is Sunday. When the sun sets, it will still be Sunday, but it will become the 6th of Tevet.


Your way of reckoning time originally was spot on.