Harmonious
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I agree. Notice my wording.Well I don't think that it even happened.
If I actually believed the gospels gave an accurate rendition of history, I would never be able to forgive Jesus for that.
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I agree. Notice my wording.Well I don't think that it even happened.
No - even according to the ultra-conservatives, that much was NOT a sin.I'm sure with some ultra-conservatives, or people who simply have a major axe to grind with Jesus, could see it as a sin. I would agree with you on that.
:yes:But if I was pointing out sins that Jesus committed, this one wouldn't be there. Jesus may have on a technicality broken the Sabbath. But then again, millions of Jews are guilty of the same during the Holocaust. I don't think they can be blamed for that. At that point, I don't think the laws are that important. Mainly because I don't think that the laws are meant to hamper a persons life. I don't think anyone could blame a person for ignoring the laws when the laws would burden that person unnecessarily.
Interesting. However, I don't care enough about the life and times of Jesus to hunt down stories just to show how much of a jerk he was.
The stories in the gospels are more than enough to let me know I want nothing to do with him.
Point taken. I can see how it would be on a more major scale than I implied.Except for one thing. It was more or less the week before Passover, when thousands of Jews came from all over, to purchase and prepare their animals for the holiday.
If the Jews coming in internationally were stuck, and could not change their money, there were thousands of people who were seriously inconvenienced by this tantrum.
You aren't really thinking of the scenario from the Jews' perspective, particularly not from someone who might have been a potential buyer or seller, or come in internationally.
On a daily basis, you are right. It might not have been as big a deal. If Jesus did what the gospels say he did, he caused major chaos right before Passover.
If I actually believed the gospels gave an accurate rendition of history, I would never be able to forgive Jesus for that.
It wasn't a riot. We can be very certain about that. If he created a riot, we can be quite sure he would have been arrested immediately.He "drove" the people out of the Temple Area.
He spilled out their coins on the ground. Don't you suppose that coins might have been lost or stolen?
IMO Jesus conduct may have started a RIOT.
BigRed
Point taken again. I am glad there is a Jewish perspective on this forum.No - even according to the ultra-conservatives, that much was NOT a sin.
Trust me - I have an axe to grind, and this one was NOT a sin.
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The Passover meal was the first day of the feast as a whole. Or Passover was the first day.Did the Pharisees not hold that the Feast of Unleavened Bread began the day following the the Passover? The Passover meal one evening and the High Day, the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread the next evening, lasting seven days? -Antiquities of the Jews
What are your thoughts on this?
He would not have been in obedience to the Scriptures had he done so -- Lk 18:31; Mk 8:31-32, 9:31, 10:33-34; Mt 26:24; Lk 22:37, Mt 26:53-54, 55-56.The time line is different in the synoptics and in John's gospel.
When I wrote "Sabbath" in my post, I was not refering to the weekly, saturday, Sabbath. The first day of unleavened bread is also called a Sabbath because no work is permitted on that day.
Jesus could have refused to carry his cross. What could they do if he didn't? Kill him?
BigRed
No. The Passover offering was slaughtered during the day of Nissan 14, but the Feast of Unleavened Bread, otherwise known to Jews as a Passover Seder, is the night of the 15th of Nissan. That is when it is officially called Passover.Did the Pharisees not hold that the Feast of Unleavened Bread began the day following the the Passover?
Oy.The Passover meal one evening and the High Day, the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread the next evening, lasting seven days? -Antiquities of the Jews
There you go.What are your thoughts on this?
I'm glad you understand now.Point taken. I can see how it would be on a more major scale than I implied.
I try.Point taken again. I am glad there is a Jewish perspective on this forum.
This, my dear, is the sword of the Spirit. . .which is the word of God in the Scriptures (Eph 6:17), which isgee i wonder, is this the peace the good lord in heaven above bestows to his faithful?
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:biglaugh:Jesus was crucified on a Tuesday. Died three years later. Rose from the grave on a cool September morning - a Monday.
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Yeah, thanks for that brilliant insight. . .why didn't we all see it first?I'm glad I closed the case on this one.
Yeah, thanks for that brilliant insight. . .why didn't we all see it first?
Yeah, thanks for that brilliant insight. . .why didn't we all see it first?