What Did Jesus Actually Do?

[Shantanu]

Follow your heart and whatever works best for you. If you are happy with your belief in the last 20 years then I am happy for you.

Of course, that is very kind of you to say that: I could never be a Baha'i' and follow diverse religions as if they are all God constructed through Messengers. I have asked God if there is anything called Sanatana Dharma and He denied it.

 

[Shantanu]

I see the miracles mainly as Metephor. I see Jesus the Christ could do anything he wished to, but Christ did not come for a magic show. Christ came to show us how to be born again in the spirit. How to bring our potential our from our innermost selves. Everything he did was to show us that power of mind exists within us by our choice.

Christ is in my heart now and has been in hearts from the beginning that has no beginning and will to the end that has no end, Christ is more real than this world we live in, this world is our illusion.

Regards Tony

So there was nothing historical about the miracles?

 

[TransmutingSoul]

So there was nothing historical about the miracles?

I see they would be based on events in Jesus life, but the stories are of Spiritual significance. It is the Spirit that gives life, the flesh amounts to nothing.

Regards Tony

 

[Shantanu]

I see they would be based on events in Jesus life, but the stories are of Spiritual significance. It is the Spirit that gives life, the flesh amounts to nothing.

Regards Tony

This would appear to confirm that Christianity was generated up to 200 years after Christ appears to have lived if we believe the stories concerning historical Jesus.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

This would appear to confirm that Christianity was generated up to 200 years after Christ appears to have lived if we believe the stories concerning historical Jesus.

Well from my search I belive Jesus is and was as claimed and that Muhammad the Bab and Baha'u'llah are that same 'Spirit', have all confirmed that.

I do not see what you have, but from the what I have found no one has direct acess to the Essence of God. All we can know or find reverts to knowledge of the Messengers. Thus I guess your experiences would tie back to them in some way.

It would be great to meet you and discuss, as it may help us both understand more of what it is all about.

Regards Tony

 

[Shantanu]

It would be great to meet you and discuss, as it may help us both understand more of what it is all about.

I am a retired mental patient: this has been confirmed to me today by the UK State mental health authorities (Consultant Psychiatrist) whom I am meeting on Friday, 17 May 2019 10.45 am. I told them that I have had direct communications with God. I do not know if they believe me or not. It would be interesting to find out what the UK State says before we meet. Do you live in the United Kingdom?

 

[TransmutingSoul]

I am a retired mental patient: this has been confirmed to me today by the UK State mental health authorities (Consultant Psychiatrist) whom I am meeting on Friday, 17 May 2019 10.45 am. I told them that I have had direct communications with God. I do not know if they believe me or not. It would be interesting to find out what the UK State says before we meet. Do you live in the United Kingdom?

No I am Aussie born and bread.

All we face in life has meaning, your journey was suited to help you. Our trick is to sort out what is from our own selves and what is from the Manifestations of God.

Some things in life that we do can make that difficult, but we all can make sense of it, as we are never tested beyond our capacity.

Regards Tony

 

[Shantanu]

No I am Aussie born and bread.

All we face in life has meaning, your journey was suited to help you. Our trick is to sort out what is from our own selves and what is from the Manifestations of God.

Some things in life that we do can make that difficult, but we all can make sense of it, as we are never tested beyond our capacity.

Regards Tony

True, you are very knowledgeable person, and I would therefore have liked to meet you to see what might be best for my future if not also the future of humanity - in that order I insist, please

 

[TransmutingSoul]

True, you are very knowledgeable person, and I would therefore have liked to meet you to see what might be best for my future if not also the future of humanity - in that order I insist, please

Just remember, its not my knowledge, none of it in fact and you have all access to it. I wish you well and happy as you continue your journey in this life. Rest assured you and all of us can and will find who we really are.

Regards Tony

 

[wellwisher]

This would appear to confirm that Christianity was generated up to 200 years after Christ appears to have lived if we believe the stories concerning historical Jesus.

This is true, because the Christians were persecuted during the first two centuries. All the original apostles were crucified or sent to prison; John. The records were purged in both Jewish and Roman documentation, to nip the mutual revolt, in the bud.

The ancient world had their own version of PC, 2000 years ago. Like the PC of the left today, destroying statues to hero of the past, once this purge is done, generations will forget about these people.

If Christianity had a been nothing but power play or fad, the human and record purge would have ended it there. But it touched a lot of people, in a very deep way, and a Renaissance begin in the 2nd century, to restore hat had been destroyed. This is still with us today. Christian nations would eventually lead and shape the world; manifest destiny.

If you look at the secular world, how many fads last for hundreds of years? Secular has flash in the pan. The things that do last are either creative or truthful, like art and science. The other things that last are connected to the main religions of the world. These touch the human psyche at a very deep level, beyond the fads.

 

[Shantanu]

Just remember, its not my knowledge, none of it in fact and you have all access to it. I wish you well and happy as you continue your journey in this life. Rest assured you and all of us can and will find who we really are.

Regards Tony

This Monday afternoon I have an appointment for a TRUS Biopsy at the hospital to see if I have cancer of the prostate because they found elevated levels of prostate specific antigen (PSA) on doing blood tests. And I want to be in a fit state for my Friday appointment with the Consultant Psychiatrist so this is what concerns me at the moment. The MRI scan showed no 'significant' signs of cancer but the hospital authorities had recommended that one PSA test score of 12 following a previous one of 9, was sufficient cause for concern. They said that the normal level is about 4 but that I have a large prostate which could explain the elevated PSA.

I am keeping everything else on hold until my health (physical and mental) is under control. I am 62 years of age.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

to see what might be best for my future

I do not know if you can watch this, an amazing NDE;

You may enjoy this video, it is long but in the 1st hr I saw many things that tie into what I have found in religious scriptures, it may tie into some of what yiu have experienced?

Regards Tony

 

[Shantanu]

If Christianity had a been nothing but power play or fad, the human and record purge would have ended it there. But it touched a lot of people, in a very deep way, and a Renaissance begin in the 2nd century

The question raised in this thread is what was it about Jesus life that led to the Renaissance beginning?

 

[TransmutingSoul]

This Monday afternoon I have an appointment for a TRUS Biopsy at the hospital to see if I have cancer of the prostate because they found elevated levels of prostate specific antigen on doing a blood test. And I want to be in a fit state for my Friday appointment with the Consultant Psychiatrist so this is what concerns me at the moment. The MRI scan showed no 'significant' signs of cancer but the hospital authorities had recommended that one PSA test score of 12 following a previous one of 9, was sufficient cause for concern. I am keeping everything else on hold until my health is under control. I am 62 years of age.

I will send a prayer your way and wish you all the best. We can use both paths of medicine, medical science and our faith in a greater power of healing. Ask and you will be given, given what is best for you and at times that is healing. You are my elder by 1 year

Let us know how it all unfolds. Together we can show in this thread what the Christ spirit has done, it is with us always.

Regards Tony

 

[Shantanu]

I will send a prayer your way and wish you all the best. We can use both paths of medicine, medical science and our faith in a greater power of healing. Ask and you will be given, given what is best for you and at times that is healing. You are my elder by 1 year

Let us know how it all unfolds. Together we can show in this thread what the Christ spirit has done, it is with us always.

Regards Tony

Of course I do not know if God is protecting me from prostate cancer: but I have faith in the medical facilities of the United Kingdom. I will never ask God to do anything for me in a prayer whether it is to protect me from evil or to heal me from my medical issues. Praying is against my deepest held principles. I just pay devotional reverences to God if things are going well. That is a different thing altogether.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Of course I do not know if God is protecting me from prostate cancer: but I have faith in the medical facilities of the United Kingdom. I will never ask God to do anything for me in a prayer whether it is to protect me from evil or to heal me from my medical issues. Praying is against my deepest held principles. I just pay devotional reverences to God if things are going well. That is a different thing altogether.

Well done, I love your heart. The best prayer we can offer for all is that may God Will be done and it appears you live that prayer.

All the best.

Regards Tony

 

[Marcion]

That doesn't make them 'mystical'. I think they were basically pragmatic, not mystical. He was a Jew talking to other Jews. And when he did so, he did so as an observant and obedient Jew. He was not trying to "fix" Judaism or start any new religions. And he wasn't talking to US when he was talking to his fellow Jews 2000 years ago.

What he was doing, I think, was connecting the human spirit with the divine. Something religious Judaism had not really done (being based on 'the fall', after all). Jesus was showing us the way past 'original sin', in very pragmatic terms. Love God, yourself, and your fellow humans as one and the same 'beloved'.

But mycsticism IS very practical (nothing to do with mysterious or even religious).
It may be that the first disciples all had a Jewish backgrounds, but Yeshua may have had disciples with a different background as well, we do not know that.
At that time Gallilea was a hellinised area with all kinds of people.
His teachings in Q-lite are not typically Jewish, there are only very minor references to the Jewish scriptures but of course they are not typically Buddhist of Hindu either.

in Q-lite there is no mention of trying to 'fix' Judaism, but there is a criticism of the corruption of religious authorities (in general) and their lack of mystic initiation.

 

[PureX]

I think the Dharmic religions do a better job at this kind of message, though.

I don't hold Jesus accountable for the religion that developed in his wake. I don't really even venerate him for the revelation and promise that he gave us. If he hadn't done so, I believe someone else would have.

"They" didn't kill Jesus. Romans did. For being a terrorist when he attacked people with a whip at the Temple and inciting riots.

Not according to the story that we have of the events. The Romans were just carrying out the act, it was the Jewish high priests that condemned him to be killed.

 

[Shantanu]

Well done, I love your heart. The best prayer we can offer for all is that may God Will be done and it appears you live that prayer.

All the best.

Regards Tony

I would not even pray that 'May God's Will be done': that is subservience that I reject. God should be left alone to do what He considers necessary. If I benefit from the reality that I am left with, that is a source of contentment for me. If problems occur in life (eg if State-organised persecution continues or my health suffers), I would need to negotiate with such evil myself as far as possible. If I find that impossible in terms of unbearable uncertainty that I face as a result, then alone my thoughts turn to God and I will ask God for advice on how to proceed. He may answer or He may not. Either way I am satisfied that I have done the right thing.

That is the nature of my surrender to God.

 

[PureX]

But mycsticism IS very practical (nothing to do with mysterious or even religious).
It may be that the first disciples all had a Jewish backgrounds, but Yeshua may have had disciples with a different background as well, we do not know that.
At that time Gallilea was a hellinised area with all kinds of people.
His teachings in Q-lite are not typically Jewish, there are only very minor references to the Jewish scriptures but of course they are not typically Buddhist of Hindu either.

in Q-lite there is no mention of trying to 'fix' Judaism, but there is a criticism of the corruption of religious authorities (in general) and their lack of mystic initiation.

Too many people think spirituality is only about imaginary ghosts and demons; disembodied beings, and all that sort of nonsense. Whereas I think it's first and foremost about the essence of who we are as individual beings. About our biological and circumstantial uniqueness. Our "soul". This was a minimal and somewhat foreign concept in the patriarchal-clan culture of Jesus time, but it was an idea that was developing because his culture was becoming 'Hellenized' by the Roman occupation. So Jesus was introducing this kind of pragmatic (not mystical) 'spiritual' construct to his fellow Jews, and using it to better connect them to each other, and to their own God. So that rather than this 'Hellenization' pulling them apart and obliterating their Jewishness, as an oppressed and subjugated culture, it could actually bring them together, and cohere them.