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What do Christians really think about the Qur'an
- Thread starter MathewJames
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I suspect no more right or wrong than the precious bible.
DavyCrocket2003
Well-Known Member
I'm a Christian, and I respect the Quran. I am honestly not sure exactly what to believe about the Quran. My opinion is that Muhammad was a true prophet, called to teach the people of his land. I would like to have been able to meet him and judge for myself if he was a prophet. I expect that yes he was. I have not read the Quran all the way through, but what I have read seems good. I wish I could read it in Arabic.
There are a couple of things that make evaluating Muhammad and his message difficult for me. 1. I don't understand the culture of the people at his time. 2. I cannot say for sure how much of his message survived, as opposed to being changed and filtered by those who handed it down and recorded it.
I know that cultural context is an important tool to understanding religion. The Jewish scriptures can be very difficult to understand to a non-Jew like myself. They are written by Jews and meant to be read by Jews. Someone living in Jerusalem in the 600's BC would probably know exactly what Isaiah meant. I, on the other hand, often have to struggle and work and research to understand what they understood naturally. Also, the message a prophet is given is always tailored to the people he is sent to. He is sent to minister to the lambs of his flock so to speak. God would not reveal a code of health regarding the preparation and consumption of meat in a completely agrarian society for example. There is also the matter of only revealing as much as people are prepared for. God teaches us in baby steps. He gives a little bit, to test our faith. Then if we receive it well, he gives us more. This process continues constantly. The law of Moses for instance was a preparatory law which was meant to lead towards Jesus Christ and the law he taught. Does that mean Moses' law was wrong? No. So, I guess in the same way, maybe the "law of Muhammad" was a law suited perfectly for those it was given to.
There is one thing of which I have no doubt. Good Muslims and good Christians are serving and worshipping the same God. They just refer to him differently.
There are a couple of things that make evaluating Muhammad and his message difficult for me. 1. I don't understand the culture of the people at his time. 2. I cannot say for sure how much of his message survived, as opposed to being changed and filtered by those who handed it down and recorded it.
I know that cultural context is an important tool to understanding religion. The Jewish scriptures can be very difficult to understand to a non-Jew like myself. They are written by Jews and meant to be read by Jews. Someone living in Jerusalem in the 600's BC would probably know exactly what Isaiah meant. I, on the other hand, often have to struggle and work and research to understand what they understood naturally. Also, the message a prophet is given is always tailored to the people he is sent to. He is sent to minister to the lambs of his flock so to speak. God would not reveal a code of health regarding the preparation and consumption of meat in a completely agrarian society for example. There is also the matter of only revealing as much as people are prepared for. God teaches us in baby steps. He gives a little bit, to test our faith. Then if we receive it well, he gives us more. This process continues constantly. The law of Moses for instance was a preparatory law which was meant to lead towards Jesus Christ and the law he taught. Does that mean Moses' law was wrong? No. So, I guess in the same way, maybe the "law of Muhammad" was a law suited perfectly for those it was given to.
There is one thing of which I have no doubt. Good Muslims and good Christians are serving and worshipping the same God. They just refer to him differently.
fallingblood
Agnostic Theist
That isn't logically sound. I believe that Muhammad could be a prophet, and that the Quran contains a lot of correct ideas. However, I am not a Muslim. Believing such does not make a person a Muslims.
A Christian can have respect for another religion, and still be a Christian.
MathewJames
mj
The Qur'an does not relate to a culture. It is the final part of the Word of GOD. Many people who read the Qur'an as the Word of GOD do not follow what is commonly considered Islam. The Arabic people generaly follow the life style and religious practises of the prophet Muhammad and that is what most people know. The Qur'an actually has very little to say about the majority of the religious practises that are taught as being Islam.
DavyCrocket2003
Well-Known Member
This does seem to be the case. It's funny, what I have read in the Quran really didn't seem to be very exclusionary. I rather felt accepted and included by the Quran. I might consider myself Muslim, if I were to go only by the Quran. Of course, I will have to finish it before I can really make that claim.
if you believe the quran is also the word of God and you are a professing christian then you're contradicting yourself. the stories related in the quran are not the same as in the bible,the quran is "correcting" the biblical narratives. the quran is extremely excluding of nonbelievers,if you don't see that then you haven't read it in its entirety. i think christianity,judaism and islam are all bogus but if you're saying you're christian and think the quran is valid too then you really have no idea what you're saying.
respect is one thing but if you think muhammad is a prophet then which is it?what you're saying isn't logically sound
dallas1125
Covert Operative
The bible has 842 cruel and violent passages while the Quran only has 333.
"Kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves."
Quran or Bible?
"The only reward of those who make war upon Allah and His messenger and strive after corruption in the land will be that they will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet on alternate sides cut off, or will be expelled out of the land. Such will be their degradation in the world, and in the Hereafter theirs will be an awful doom."
Quran or Bible?
"And it came to pass, that at midnight the LORD smote all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn of Pharaoh that sat on his throne unto the firstborn of the captive that was in the dungeon; and all the firstborn of cattle.
And Pharaoh rose up in the night, he, and all his servants, and all the Egyptians; and there was a great cry in Egypt; for there was not a house where there was not one dead."
Quran or Bible?
ZooGirl02
Well-Known Member
I definitely do not believe the Quran to be God's words or what God is trying to tell us. I believe it is just another false book written by a false prophet. That said, it probably does contain some wisdom in it but it also contains some stuff in it that is false. For example, it denies the crucifixion and resurrection of Jesus.
fallingblood
Agnostic Theist
Do I need to say one way or the other? As far as I know, God could have used Muhammad as a prophet. It is just as plausible for either way, the yes he was or no he wasn't.
So it is logically sound as I'm not overstepping logic.
dallas1125
Covert Operative
The problem is you cant prove the crucifixion or resurrection of Jesus, so its claims are as valid as christianity.
JohnOB
Member
Quran is the Book of Hate against all non-Muslims!
If you want to look at the stuff your church pours out then i can understand why you say that. I went to your church's website, btw, so full of anger and hate a real shame.
But really if you only thought the Quran was those passages a more realistic view would be a book of dealing justly with people that are trying to oppress and/or kill you.
Katzpur
Not your average Mormon
Wow!
Who told you that? I'm really wondering if you have even read it. Have you?
Katzpur
Not your average Mormon
Here is the closest thing to an "official" statement I could find on Islam (though not specifically the Qur'an) from the LDS Church's leadership...
The great religious leaders of the world such as Mohammed, Confucius, and the Reformers, as well as philosophers including Socrates, Plato, and others, received a portion of Gods light. Moral truths were given to them by God to enlighten whole nations and to bring a higher level of understanding to individuals.
Another similar (though unofficial) statement follows:
While the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is established for the instruction of men, it is ONE of Gods instrumentalities for making known the truth; yet God is not limited to that institution for such purposes, neither in time nor place. He raises up wise men and prophets here and there among all the children of men, of their own tongue and nationality, speaking to them through means that they can comprehend; not always giving a fulness of truth such as may be found in the fulness of the gospel of Jesus Christ; but always giving that measure of truth that the people are prepared to receive. Mormonism holds, then, that all the great teachers are servants of God among all nations and in all ages. They are inspired men, appointed to instruct Gods children according to the conditions in the midst of which he finds them Whenever God finds a soul sufficiently enlightened and pure; one with whom His Spirit can communicate, lo! He makes of him a teacher of men.
To me, those statements imply that Mormonism teaches that there is at least some truth in the Qur'an and that Mohammed was to some degree inspired in his writings and teachings.
Inspired by God or not there are many truth in the Qur'an. I see many Christian teachers that have never read a word in the book claiming that Muslims as a whole want to convert of kill everyone in the world. That breeds hate.
To tell a child that someone wants them dead simply imprints on them and breeds more hate. Well those teachers (Christian) will be in hell for teaching incorrectly. To teach something you don't know for your own purposes or because of your fear approaches or even meets the requirements to go to hell that were spoken of by Peter.
To tell a child that someone wants them dead simply imprints on them and breeds more hate. Well those teachers (Christian) will be in hell for teaching incorrectly. To teach something you don't know for your own purposes or because of your fear approaches or even meets the requirements to go to hell that were spoken of by Peter.
Katzpur, I hate to see you fall for a poe-troll.Wow!