what do you feel is wrong with homosexuality?

[doppelganger]

Furthermore no Christian is to judge another save Christ.

Now THAT is Paul's message. Somehow that part tends to get ignored completely both when 1 Cor. 6 comes up or when haters pull Rom. 1 out (forgetting to read the punchline in Rom. 2).

 

[Autodidact]

Considering it says in the bible that brother shall not lay down with brother or sister with sister, I can extrapolate from there what God wants.

Doesn't it say for brother not to lay with sister and so forth? So do you then extrapolate that God prohibits heterosexuality? Doesn't that make it kind of hard to go forth and multiply?

 

[McBell]

Furthermore no Christian is to judge another save Christ.

Verses please

 

[Autodidact]

Now THAT is Paul's message. Somehow that part tends to get ignored completely both when 1 Cor. 6 comes up or when haters pull Rom. 1 out (forgetting to read the punchline in Rom. 2).

It is ironic that a passage that is about not judging other Christians is used by Christians to judge other Christians.

 

[astarath]

Therein lies the difference! The KJV does not use that method when translating whereas the NLT not only examined the use of the word throughout the bible in Greek but referred to the use of the word in greek texts of the time!

 

[doppelganger]

Therein lies the difference! The KJV does not use that method when translating whereas the NLT not only examined the use of the word throughout the bible in Greek but referred to the use of the word in greek texts of the time!

Which "greek texts of the time"?

 

[astarath]

Verses please

Refer to the casting of the first stone! LEt him who is without sin cast the first stone

 

[astarath]

John 8:1-11

 

[McBell]

Refer to the casting of the first stone! LEt him who is without sin cast the first stone

So you have no verses to back up your claim?

 

[astarath]

Which "greek texts of the time"?

damned if I know man! But to accept a single translation of the KJV because it suits a purpose and dispose of the several other versions (more modern in their translation methods) seems to be much more likely of an acceptance in mistranslation!

 

[doppelganger]

damned if I know man!

Well, you're the one that just made that claim . . .

None of the translators know either. I don't prefer one translation over another because there's simply very little clear indication as to how Paul meant the word to be taken. If you want to offer a compelling scriptural justification for the disdain many religious conservatives have for some of their brethren, 1 Cor. 6:9 is a stretch.

 

[astarath]

The claim I just made was in no less the 7 translations all more modern in their translation methodologies than the translators of the KJV, all conclude the definition of the Greek word to be homosexual. I am not accepting the translation on the basis on a singular work but rather on a consortium of modern translations! The majority of which are new versions and not a repetition on an older work. That sayed even the NKJV using modern translation methods has changed the original translation in the KJV to homosexual!

 

[Draka]

But why choose to translate the word to that when there have been so many other translations in the past in different versions? Why? Probably to suit the purposes of the times. Maybe it was found to be pretty hard to condemn homosexuals using that verse in the past because it was so iffy as to what the word really meant. So why not just make it be what so many want it to be? Homosexual. There...that way there would be no confusion. It matters not that it may not have been what the word was originally meant to mean. It means it now doesn't it?

 

[doppelganger]

The KJV does not use that method when translating whereas the NLT not only examined the use of the word throughout the bible in Greek but referred to the use of the word in greek texts of the time!

I then asked you "Which 'greek texts of the time'?"

You answered:

damned if I know man!

You made a claim you knew you couldn't substantiate.

 

[astarath]

I do not know the texts but I am aware of the method of construction for the text as it was explained in very brief detail during intro to the New Testament! They did not go into detail regarding the sources used for translation but I am sure of the process. However, how do you respond to your assumption that the translation of a single outdated text (KJV) is correct yet the newer versions (see above list) are all wrong?

 

[Quoth The Raven]

The arguments here make no sense. It's always goes back to, "so you say" or "your standards aren't my standards" nonsense. You cannot convince someone who is convinced that there is nothing wrong with homosexuality. Bottom line, it goes back to God. If you believe in God and think it's ok to be gay, you're wrong. If you don't believe in God and are gay, then have a nice life. There's no changing your mind. And leave it to people that don't have a valid argument to make a joke. Humor in a discussion is as good as admitting you have no way to contribute.

Or, oh humourless one, it could be that sometimes the discussion needs to lighten up a bit, lest it turn into an ugly morass that needs locking and moderator review. A good many of these discussions go that way, as I'm sure you'll find if you can live with the horror that is humour long enough. Anything that prevents that actually aids in the continuation of a civil discussion.

 

[astarath]

But why choose to translate the word to that when there have been so many other translations in the past in different versions? Why? Probably to suit the purposes of the times. Maybe it was found to be pretty hard to condemn homosexuals using that verse in the past because it was so iffy as to what the word really meant. So why not just make it be what so many want it to be? Homosexual. There...that way there would be no confusion. It matters not that it may not have been what the word was originally meant to mean. It means it now doesn't it?

Perhaps you misunderstand the stance Christianity takes on the subject. No follower of Christ gay or straight is condemned period! Sexual immorality including homosexuality as an action is sinful and condemned but forgiven just the same as all sins through belief in Christ's sacrifice!

 

[doppelganger]

However, how do you respond to your assumption that the translation of a single outdated text (KJV) is correct yet the newer versions (see above list) are all wrong?

I respond that you are mis-characterizing what I've said and not reading my posts very carefully as I've made no assumption and specifically said that I make no such assumption.

 

[astarath]

So in your opinion there is no accurate translation of the word solely on the basis of no continued and varied use of the word within the text itself?

 

[Quoth The Raven]

When it comes to ignorant people saying homosexuality is ok, I am VERY intolerant. You guys must be apart of the Socialist I mean Democratic Party. First of all, do you believe in the Trinity, the Father, Son and Holy Spirit? Probably not, but most Christian religions do, the word Trinity IS NEVER mentioned in the bible, but people sure do believe in it. Stop being hung up on semantics. Considering it says in the bible that brother shall not lay down with brother or sister with sister, I can extrapolate from there what God wants. Or, maybe he's just saying that incest is wrong. Why stop there? Make it ok to bed your siblings. What's wrong with that huh? And to the "christian" churches that are openly supportive of homosexuality, they are NOT christians. Come on guys, you can't afford to be this naive. (Insert comment here about me being arrogant and intolerant).

It's a slippery slope folks! Grease up and slide on down.
I'm pretty sure there's something about being killed for collecting firewood on the sabbath, too. Your teenager talks back, throw some rocks at 'em! That's what we need people, back to the basics of who god wants us to kill.:149:
Remember folks: it's an abomination to be a homosexual, but if you shag a camel, it's only confusion. I read it in the bible, it must true.