What do you know about Islam?

[YmirGF]

Btw, I hate when my threads get deluded (even though they are rare lol) , can we go back to the topic please?

*sniffle*

You have not responded to my post (#65).

*Looks away tearfully... sobbing*

 

[Caladan]

Well, i already acknowledged that there are Muslim terrorists. If you mean that Islam supposedly contains the highest ratio of radicals, that can also be obvious why. For example, the very fact that there is so much wars in which Muslim countries are involved in, encourages that behavior, due to some governments lack of ability to defend their countries. Also, i believe the bad condition in which the middle east in, has a huge effect on this.

But isnt the history of Islam steeped in war since its inception? Muhammad led his followers to battle his own tribe, the Quraysh, and has fought the Pagan Arabs, and also Jews, after his death, an eternal rift in Islam was created in a deep division between his followers, into what became Shia Islam, and Sunni Islam, only a few decades after the death of Muhmmad, the Battle of Karbala took place, in which the supporters and relatives of Hussein ibn Ali, Muhammad's grandson fought the army of the Umayyad caliph Yazid, Sunnis and Shiites across the world still commemorate this battle between their sects to this day.
It is a fascinating fact that the grandson of the prophet died in battle fighting other followers of his grandfather, and these followers eventually became the largest Islamic sect.

 

[Badran]

Tut tut. Attempting ridicule.

Definitely the white flag.

Oh i see, an attitude problem. Since i basically was talking with you about constructive debate, and that i believe this thread is not the place for most of the things we are talking about now, things that people always argue about with Muslims, is it really that hard to see that i'm just trying to end this particular part of our "debate" nicely, because it's a point that we will never reach anything from. You are saying something, and can't prove it, and i'm saying something else, if you enjoy these things, i don't. And i wasn't attempting to ridicule you.

Muslims terrorise any who get in their way.

"Muslims" in general again, great.

Falsehood. Answer to the facts, or be seen to capitulate.

They are only facts in your eyes.

You don't know that they do not.

Your vagueness is fascinating.

 

[fatima_bintu_islam]

@Yrmi Gf:

Oh sorry I just saw it , thank you for participating

Everything? Lol. That is not an easy thing to answer. I don't know much because I have only read the entire Qur'an 5 or 6 times now (different English translations). I have only read several hundred hadith by Muslim and Bukhari. I have only managed to read several hundred Fatwas written by learned Muslim "scholars". I have only spoken with a few hundred Muslims since Islam rather rudely entered my consciousness on Sept. 11, 2001.

Up to that point in time, I didn't care, in the slightest, about anything to do with Islam. It just seemed like Christianity hyped up on Steroids with far too many fanatical followers - to seriously bother with. 9/11 changed all that and I have been learning as much about Islam as I possibly can ever since. I am one who has read the Qur'an, digested it and have rejected it and am FULLY aware of the implications of doing so.

Well, I know now why you wanted me to see your post soo bad

Thats a very good thing what you did, at least you wont have an excuse on the day of Judgment hihihi. Its those who have an excuse that I pity the most lol

A full serving of dawa, with a healthy dollop of taqqiya, most likely.

Ohoo, no please, dont accuse me of taqiyaah. Taqiyyah is a horrible thing in my religon , Im sunni btw .

I say what I have in mind, I dont lie, having purposes behind your speech has nothing to do with lies right?

Your remarks to Caladan are especially instructive.

Now, thats what I call taqiyyah

Best regards

 

[Autodidact]

Like i said defending Islam is different than spreading Islam. I'm talking about people who weren't muslims, and become so.

That's a personal opinion that we already discussed before.

Here's the part that is not personal opinion. The overhwhelming majority of the world's Muslims were born into Islam. Islam is spreading because Muslims have lots of children, not because of conversion.

No thats not what i meant. Some people, a minority, terrorists mainly, still believe in the idea of Islam dominating the world and so on. They are not coming any way near achieving that, because they are not even on the road to that. So, the spread of Islam is not helped by them, it's actually hurt by them due to the bad image they give to Islam.

O.K. I do take issue though with the "small minority." I just don't think that's factual. My understanding is that suicide bombers are treated like rock stars in their home countries, are greatly admired, posters on walls, etc. That doesn't sound like a small minority to me. Also polling data:

One in four younger U.S. Muslims say suicide bombings to defend their religion are acceptable at least in some circumstances...
from here.
One in four is not a small minority, and that's in the U.S.! Imagine what it is in Pakistan!

Six per cent of British Muslims believe that the 7/7 bombers were acting according to the true principles of Islam, while 7 per cent agree that suicide attacks on civilians in Britain can be justified under certain circumstances, a figure that rises to 16 per cent if the target is the military.
from here.
6 %?!?! suicide bombing of civilians?!?! In Britain--not Yemen or Afghanistan. It's terrifying.

The survey showed that in Turkey, Morocco and Indonesia, approval of terrorism had fallen to 15 percent or less.
Asked specifically whether they believed that suicide bombings and violence against civilians was justified to defend Islam against its enemies, 13 percent of Moroccan respondents replied yes, compared with 40 percent just a year ago.
In Indonesia that percentage fell from 27 percent in 2002 to 15 percent in this year's study. In Pakistan 25 percent responded yes to that question, down from 41 percent last year.
from here.
Again, percentage approving of terrorism: 15, 13, 15 and 25%, respectively, and those were all a significant decline. Sorry, 25% is not a tiny minority; it's a substantial fraction.


Support for terrorism: All the Muslim populations polled display a solid majority of support for Osama bin Laden. Asked whether they have confidence in him, Muslims replied positively, ranging between 8% (in Turkey) and 72% (in Nigeria). Likewise, suicide bombing is popular. Muslims who call it justified range from 13% (in Germany) to 69% (in Nigeria). These appalling numbers suggest that terrorism by Muslims has deep roots and will remain a danger for years to come.
from here.
From 13 to 69% is not a tiny minority. It's millions of people, a terrifying number of people.


Islam is dangerous. Fact.

There is a debate about it, because there are Hadiths that are under dispute.

The fact that there is a debate about it is enough to tell you that Islam is a dangerous, violent, barbaric, criminal religion.

 

[Autodidact]

OMG, and he is quoting Wikipedia ! I have no problem with the quote in itself ( I did not even read it , just the first sentence)

But please, historical facts from wiki? Are you serious?

Yes. Wiki has been shown to be as reliable as the Encyclopedia Brittanica, and more detailed and up to date.

 

[Badran]

Of course they are. Defence of territory on religious grounds is downright evil. Islam should be completely illegal.

You have given all wars carried out by muslims one reason, that alone should speak for your post. As for "Islam should be completely illegal", i don't know what to say to that really. Why don't you just start your own thread, and express your hatred there as much as you like, and save us both this worthless wast of time.

 

[kejos]

Oh i see, an attitude problem.

Indeed. It shoots Islam in the foot, time and time again.

"Muslims" in general again, great.

Not all Muslims. Let's not misrepresent as well as insult, eh.

They are only facts in your eyes.

Ah. Got you.

Just one of the facts is that Islam is like Mormonism, founded upon the witness of one person. That is self-destructive- because no deity worth following would make such an arrangement- and absolutely ludicrous. Nobody would give such an idea the time of day unless there was some ulterior motive involved- or a scimitar was placed at the throat, of course.

Ok now?

Your vagueness is fascinating.

Tut, tut, we can't have that. Ok, let's be more specific. What you may suspect, though of course you cannot know, is that every one of them is lying. Because Islam is like Mormonism, founded upon the witness of only one person. That is self-destructive- because no deity worth following would make such an arrangement- and absolutely ludicrous. Nobody would give such an idea the time of day unless there was some ulterior motive involved- or a scimitar was placed at the throat, of course.

 

[Caladan]

at least you wont have an excuse on the day of Judgment hihihi. Its those who have an excuse that I pity the most lol

Is this what you created this thread about? to inform the infidels who reject your religion that they will burn for all eternity and gloat about it?

 

[fatima_bintu_islam]

WHats wrong with OBM ?( its an abbreviation YRMi GF, not taqiyaah lol)

If the CIA decides that hes the criminal number 1 on earth , that doesnt mean he is.
But since, they fill their citizens head with hollywood movies all the time, evreything can pass easily in their minds, just as movies do

At least muslims keep their mind opened, and protect it from CIA injections

 

[fatima_bintu_islam]

Is this what you created this thread about? to inform the infidels who reject your religion that they will burn for all eternity and gloat about it?

Thats was a joke between me and YRMi GF, why do you have to get yourself involved in everything?

 

[Caladan]

Thats was a joke between me and YRMi GF, why do you have to get yourself involved in everything?

That's a very sophisticated sense of humor you got there, I wonder what Ymir thinks about it.
hear that Ymir? you are going to burn in hell for rejecting the Noble Qur'an. now doesnt that lighthearted joke colors your day in Sunshine?

 

[YmirGF]

Yes. Wiki has been shown to be as reliable as the Encyclopedia Brittanica, and more detailed and up to date.

As well, Wikipedia has an oddly anti-Israeli bias. ---====>>>> Israeli-Palestinian conflict rages on Wikipedia

 

[kejos]

You have given all wars carried out by muslims one reason

Islam is totalitarian, and there is no room for that in the world. Sooner or later, it will be wiped out.

 

[Badran]

I'll respond to your posts caladan and Autodidact, i just want to address this one first.

Not all Muslims. Let's not misrepresent as well as insult, eh.

You said Muslims in general twice in this very thread, and you have been criticized by other for doing so. So, if i misunderstood, i hope you can at least see that i'm not intentionally "misrepresenting" you.

Ah. Got you.

Just one of the facts is that Islam is like Mormonism, founded upon the witness of one person. That is self-destructive- because no deity worth following would make such an arrangement- and absolutely ludicrous. Nobody would give such an idea the time of day unless there was some ulterior motive involved- or a scimitar was placed at the throat, of course.

Ok now?

What is this supposed to show, that these big words are indeed facts? You said your personal opinion on following a religion that is founded upon the witness of one person. You said it is ludicrous, and that nobody would give it such care or belief unless there is some hidden motive, these are facts?

Tut, tut, we can't have that. Ok, let's be more specific. What you may suspect, though of course you cannot know, is that very one of them is lying. Because Islam is like Mormonism, founded upon the witness of only one person. That is self-destructive- because no deity worth following would make such an arrangement- and absolutely ludicrous. Nobody would give such an idea the time of day unless there was some ulterior motive involved- or a scimitar was placed at the throat, of course.

Same story.

 

[fatima_bintu_islam]

Islam is totalitarian, and there is no room for that in the world. Sooner or later, it will be wiped out.

Thanks God, its not you who decide who has room for in this world or not
So sit down and watch

 

[kejos]

a religion that is founded upon the witness of one person.

Is that in dispute? Was Gabriel seen by many people?

 

[Badran]

Is that in dispute? Was Gabriel seen by many people?

That's not the part i was objecting to, it was your conclusion.

 

[Kerr]

Hello everyone,

Its been a very long time since I opened any thread ( I guess since my introduction thread ) , and I had this question in mind for a while :

I would like to know about each person what they know about Islam?

I may have a secret purpose behind it ( who knows? ) , but the main reason is jsut curiosity?

Best regards

Ps: Dont get wrong my secret purpose, its just clearing misconceptions if there are any (I thought maybe someone could die of curiosity, and I wouldnt let that happen )

Islam is an Abrahamic religion with a prophet called Muhammad. Submitting to the deity called Allah, which Islam considers to be the one and only deity, is a central aspect of the religion. The scripture Islam is based on is called the Quran, but there are also the Hadiths, which to my knowledge are about the life of Muhammad.There appear to be quite many rules in Islam, but I am not sure if that is how Islam is or how some followers has interpreted the scripture.

And as all religions, there are followers that are good and decent people, just as there are followers that are, in lack of better words, truly evil.

 

[kejos]

Thanks God, its not you who decide who has room for in this world or not

How do you know?

So sit down and watch

I will. It's inevitable, isn't it.