What do you think of the virgin birth of Jesus ?

[dust1n]

when you blame God for limiting your earth life , or take you to death status , bring you early for exemple in 1700 , or give you such tale or such skin ....etc .

so the blame is not valid .
is your blame change anything of His choice ?

I don't understand this part.

that's your opinion , for me it's very important when or where or how we die .

we were "not exist" and we will back for period of time in status of "not exist" .

some suffer incredibly and some enjoying incredibly .

Child die by disease (in air or water) or in war , or because poverity ...etc that could blame on human being not God .

How can one blame human beings for malaria? God made malaria, not humans. It was design in the DNA.

indeed God designed us , but He gave us the choice how to role our period of life , by His rules/limites

He designed up with choices knowing that our choices would sometimes cause great suffering to others. Was this not part of his design? That humans would use their free will to hurt one another? Did he design this or not?

 

[Godobeyer]

I don't understand this part.

I mean "your blame" is not effective/valid since the God done what He want .

How can one blame human beings for malaria? God made malaria, not humans. It was design in the DNA.

God made death , so no single human will live forever , Malaria is just a cause of death .

He designed up with choices knowing that our choices would sometimes cause great suffering to others. Was this not part of his design? That humans would use their free will to hurt one another? Did he design this or not?

i am talking in view of Islam :
Yes God designed us , and make with choices , and God made judgement day to judge all of all for bad deeds and good deeds . (you miss this ?) .

 

[dust1n]

I mean "your blame" is not effective/valid since the God done what He want .

Oh, well that's fine. I'm not sure me and God respect each other one enough to take one the other said effective/valid on anything.

God made death , so no single human will live forever , Malaria is just a cause of death .

Well, not quite. There are multiple forms of malaria, some much more deadly than others. In addition, stuff like polio doesn't necessarily kill anyone, but may handicap whoever gets it for the rest of their life. So god didn't just make death, he also designed the suffering on this planet.

i am talking in view of Islam :
Yes God designed us , and make with choices , and God made judgement day to judge all of all for bad deeds and good deeds . (you miss this ?) .

I'm on the same page with ya. It sounds like it would be good, good people go to heaven; evil people go to hell. People who make terrible things happen should probably be punished. But I wonder why when God makes terrible things happen, it's forgiven immediately. God obviously thinks it is more important for people to have free will than it is for no one to ever suffer.

I would have taken the latter approach any day, or at least excluded malaria from the "byproducts" of free will, of whatever it is.

I didn't mean to get off the topic of virgin birth though. We seem to have traveled quite a bit.

 

[Godobeyer]

Oh, well that's fine. I'm not sure me and God respect each other one enough to take one the other said effective/valid on anything.

Whatever

Well, not quite. There are multiple forms of malaria, some much more deadly than others. In addition, stuff like polio doesn't necessarily kill anyone, but may handicap whoever gets it for the rest of their life. So god didn't just make death, he also designed the suffering on this planet.

malaria is disease ,so it's could make suffer or death , suffering is could be test or could be punishement .

btw We the Muslims thanks God for both situations (in happeness and in suffering ) .

I'm on the same page with ya. It sounds like it would be good, good people go to heaven; evil people go to hell. People who make terrible things happen should probably be punished. But I wonder why when God makes terrible things happen, it's forgiven immediately. God obviously thinks it is more important for people to have free will than it is for no one to ever suffer.

I would have taken the latter approach any day, or at least excluded malaria from the "byproducts" of free will, of whatever it is.

I didn't mean to get off the topic of virgin birth though. We seem to have traveled quite a bit.

Edited typo error

Actuatly we had free choice in limited rules of God in this life ,for exemple :

whatever you did, you would NOT live forever !!! . whatever you did you would NOT back to the past !!!.whatever you did you will sleep, eat, drink , wc , ill,....etc !!!

whoever you are you had parents ,bring you to this life . (except Adam,Jesus,Eve)

so YES we had choices but it's running depending rules (limited choices)

 

[WilliamGoode]

Yes, I accept the doctrine of the miracle of the Virgin Birth.

Agreed.

 

[dust1n]

malaria is disease ,so it's could make suffer or death , suffering is could be test or could be punishement .

btw We the Muslims thanks God for both situations (in happeness and in suffering ) .

So when a three-year-old contracts Malaria and dies 2 weeks later, do you think this might be a test or a punishment?

 

[Godobeyer]

So when a three-year-old contracts Malaria and dies 2 weeks later, do you think this might be a test or a punishment?

nor test and nor punishment for kid .it's test or punishment for his/her parent .

I tell you why :

- what the baby did to be tested or punished !!! it's his/her destiny to get free pass to paradise .


I told you before the kids are in paradise ,so when kid die, God take from the parent what He already given to them,so test or punishment for the parent .


test : is mesure their patient and believe in God .
punishement : for doing major bad deeds against God OR people .

 

[Neo Deist]

Do you believe a woman can get pregnant without a man being involved ?

No.

Does science support it ?

Not at this time.

From here it is all a matter of opinion...

Which term was used: almah or betulah? If maiden is indeed the correct translation, why make the implication that Mary was a virgin simply because she was not yet married? Did you test her virginity? We like to think that our daughters remain virgins until marriage even in this day and age, yet by the age of 18, 70% of American high school students have had sex.

Jesus must be born pure, right? Why? If God is all powerful, could He not choose a 1 legged Roman prostitute to be Jesus' mother, and the outcome be the same? All He has to do is say, "I am God and because I said so."

If God, as the Holy Spirit, is Jesus' father, then that means that Joseph is not, and Jesus can't trace his lineage through Joseph's bloodline. I am well aware that the NT gives two entirely different accounts of Jesus' genealogy, and many say that the other is through Mary's bloodline. When you remove the layers of drivel, it seems as if a NT writer is trying his hardest to make the Jesus story fit prophetically.

What I find most intriguing is that Jesus was supposedly going around the region (which happened to be under Roman rule) performing all of these miracles in front of crowds, yet there is not a single documentation found within Roman texts that mention such miracles. You'd think that someone would be impressed, in awe, or shocked by those events and would write about it. Yet, there's nothing...from a culture that dotted the i's and crossed the t's in their documentation of events within their empire.

 

[dust1n]

nor test and nor punishment for kid .it's test or punishment for his/her parent .

I tell you why :

- what the baby did to be tested or punished !!! it's his/her destiny to get free pass to paradise .


I told you before the kids are in paradise ,so when kid die, God take from the parent what He already given to them,so test or punishment for the parent .


test : is mesure their patient and believe in God .
punishement : for doing major bad deeds against God OR people .

If the kid is going to get a free pass to paradise anyway, and a kid's suffering is neither a test nor a punishment, because kids don't really exercise free will, then what was the point of creating the child in the first place to kill it later? Why not just let go straight to paradise without the actual pain of starving to death? Why would God make a being with no free will to exist and suffer to just die and go to heaven, just to test or punish the adults? God inflicts suffering to test others?

 

[Godobeyer]

If the kid is going to get a free pass to paradise anyway, and a kid's suffering is neither a test nor a punishment, because kids don't really exercise free will, then what was the point of creating the child in the first place to kill it later? Why not just let go straight to paradise without the actual pain of starving to death? Why would God make a being with no free will to exist and suffer to just die and go to heaven, just to test or punish the adults? God inflicts suffering to test others?

Anyway , when the kid die, he/she is like white page (without sins) , so that's why he/she got free pass to paradise .

God could test you by everything in happenss or sadness issues , especially the bad issues (sick,death,losing money ...etc )

God could test you by make you rich , see how you using it , in good deeds or bad deeds .

He could punish or test you by make you rich too , when a gangs rob your money , and maybe cause you death .

so sometimes , the grace turning to hell , and affliction sometimes turning to favor , it's depened .

that's God want , He punish us and test us , He take the life what He already gave . and we all will taste the death .

since you don't believe in afterlife and God ,i think my answers to your questions had no sense .

 

[dust1n]

Anyway , when the kid die, he/she is like white page (without sins) , so that's why he/she got free pass to paradise .

But it's not really a free pass to paradise if you had to first exist for three years, die for a horrible disease, so that God can punish and or test one's parents (which by itself seems absurd). At what age does a being stopped getting killed, mangled, or sick for the sake of God's punishment of their parents, and they start getting killed for the sake of God's punishment for them?

 

[Godobeyer]

But it's not really a free pass to paradise if you had to first exist for three years, die for a horrible disease, so that God can punish and or test one's parents (which by itself seems absurd). At what age does a being stopped getting killed, mangled, or sick for the sake of God's punishment of their parents, and they start getting killed for the sake of God's punishment for them?

is this longest question ?
In Islam :
there is no specific age for being die/gone . die early or day at old age it's does not matter ,die by gun or by disease , since it's same end "death" status.

baby could die even before being born , so then IF his parent get patient and thanks God , so they reward for that in afterlife . so the baby will save them from Hell .

that's God want, nor you or me , can change it .


I have a question for you :
are you believe that we were designed ?

 

[oldbadger]

Do you believe a woman can get pregnant without a man being involved ?

Don't hold your breath on this one.
Researchers may already be able to achieve this.
But..... No..... I don't think that Mary became pregnant without a man being involved.

Does science support it ?

No........

But I believe that the Virgin Birth story could be explained in many ways. Here is one:-
1. Sepphoris was a Hellenised city, where Greek and Roman culture was adopted.
2. There were Roman-like temples, and Temple Virgins.
3. Mary was a Temple Virgin.
4. When the Romans retook Sepphoris after the revolt, all the citizens were enslaved.
5. Mary found herself under the protection and patronage of one Patronus, a Roman soldier.
6. She escaped with her fiance/husband, Joseph, and they ran.
7. The birth of Jesus, on 'the road', running, hiding.
8. The flight outside Israel, for a time.

So I believe that it happened, but humans just get stuff wrong over time, or in their zeal.

 

[v3tinternetbrodcasting]

I guess it takes Faith to believe in this and some people come up short in the faith department.

Faith is pretending to know what you just don't know. It's the ultimate intellectual cop out

 

[Shad]

nor test and nor punishment for kid .it's test or punishment for his/her parent .

I tell you why :

- what the baby did to be tested or punished !!! it's his/her destiny to get free pass to paradise .


I told you before the kids are in paradise ,so when kid die, God take from the parent what He already given to them,so test or punishment for the parent .


test : is mesure their patient and believe in God .
punishement : for doing major bad deeds against God OR people .

Unethical and immoral. It is amazing you think this sort of God is worth worshiping.

 

[Vansmack]

None of these people, mary, Jesus, the disciples ever existed.

 

[Cruiser88]

The virgin birth should not be up for debate.......it was a mandatory item for Jesus since the inherited sin of Adam is passed down through the biological father. Jesus could have no sin in Him.......thus the Holy Spirit stepped in and did what was necessary...........the Holy blood shed at that cross had no sin in it.........not gonna happen..........

 

[Thorwald Johansen]

Do you believe a woman can get pregnant without a man being involved ?
Does science support it ?

From the point of view of a human being [carnal], this is 'impossible'. With God, ALL is possible! What actually 'happened', that would explain the birth of Christ, and would match what is written in the scriptures? Following, is a 'possibility';

1) Jesus is 'the only-begotten' Son of God. What does this mean? The Holy Spirit used the SPERM of The Lord God Almighty, in order to create an EXACT DUPLICATE of The Lord God Almighty. No woman was involved. Jesus was begotten/created in the EXPRESS IMAGE of The Lord God Almighty. The Lord God Almighty gave Him the title/position in heaven of LORD OF HOSTS [above angels and man]. This infuriated Lucifer (Lucifer wanted this 'position'), and resulted in Lucifer being cast out of heaven, and becoming the Prince of the world...SATAN.

2) Since the beginning of His creation, Jesus knew that He would have to 'redeem the world'. Only Jesus is 'without sin'. In order to redeem the world, Jesus had to be 'made flesh', in order to redeem 'flesh'. How did The Lord God Almighty accomplish this? It is very simple. The Holy Spirit IMPLANTED Jesus in the body of Mary, as an EMBRYO/FETUS. Jesus was now, both SPIRITUAL and CARNAL. The body of Mary was simply used to provide for the gestation period, until Jesus could be born as the SON OF MAN. In both cases [spiritual and carnal] Jesus IS
THE SON OF GOD. The Lord God Almighty remained His Father.

 

[Godobeyer]

Unethical and immoral. It is amazing you think this sort of God is worth worshiping.

God make plans , so we are running depending His rules , so you can't break his rules , you : eat, drink ,sleep, sick , die ...etc

God will not allowed you to live forever , even IF you trying .


God gave the life and He take it , He is the Boss. who is you in His creation/univers ?

 

[Shad]

God make plans , so we are running depending His rules , so you can't break his rules , you : eat, drink ,sleep, sick , die ...etc

So God made a plan for parents to have a child for the sole purpose of seeing this child suffer as a test or lesson for the parents? The child is nothing more than a tool and has become dehumanized. This is barbaric and shows how malicious your god is.

God gave the life and He take it , He is the Boss. who is you in His creation/univers ?

So parents have the right to kill their children. Without the parents there is no child, the parents are the boss.

Who am I? I am a person that finds your idea of god malicious and lacking in ethics thus is unworthy of worship. It is no more than a dictator and might by right arguments.