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What do You Think Science is...

False. Ever read the Preamble to the Constitution
Thought we were talking the Gospel. Nowhere do I see written that the government is in charge and responsible for the children. Parents are, also God says in the Scriptures how to deal with infectious diseases, so maybe read that instead of your other ever changing science sources that have contradicted themselves concerning Covid.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
Thought we were talking the Gospel. Nowhere do I see written that the government is in charge and responsible for the children. Parents are, also God says in the Scriptures how to deal with infectious diseases, so maybe read that instead of your other ever changing science sources that have contradicted themselves concerning Covid.
Actually, it is in there. In Jesus' Parable of the Widow's Mite, he praises the widow for going beyond her necessity under the Law [Jewish Law-- "halacha"], thus not in any way saying nor implying that the requirement under that law to take care of the poor and dispossessed was negated. It is not just us personally that has certain obligations but also society as a whole.

But you manage again to play little games because the "government" in a democratic republic is us. Because the "government" is us, we have not only a personal obligation but also a communal one as well. If you believe "government" doesn't, then you seemingly must believe that the "government" has no responsibility to society and individuals whatsoever. Is this what you believe?
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
Thought we were talking the Gospel.
OK, let's do just that.

When Jesus was sent to be executed, did he have his personal freedom even though he knew in advance what was going to happen to him? Did he cower away to save his own life?

When ten of the Twelve, according to at least some historians, died martyr's deaths well knowing that they were putting themselves at risk, did they cop out?

When believers in the early Church defied the Roman Empire to even risk their lives, such as to help lepers for example, did they cower away from helping others?

Your insistence of a self-centered personal freedom that puts others, including even little children, at risk of dying is the opposite of what the Gospel teaches. The Sermon On the Mount is mostly other-directed, not self-directed like you're "preaching". And your posting of links that clearly are politically motivated is pathetic per the Gospel as well because they are so dishonest and don't reflect Truth.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
Really?

"...promote the general Welfare, ...".
Are you really so utterly ignorant of the implication of this per our discussion on government responsibility and from where it ultimately stems? Maybe actually stop and think instead of posting just some sort of knee-jerk reaction. IOW, think.
 
When believers in the early Church defied the Roman Empire to even risk their lives, such as to help lepers for example, did they cower away from helping others?
Good point they didn’t mask up, social distance or any of that. They healed the sick, that’s what we do here. We didn’t close down the church meetings.
 
That is total bunk, plus your link doesn't provide where this source supposedly got their information. It's VERY clear that your source is not actually a scientific one nor is peer reviewed.

Here, from an actual scientific source: Masks Save Lives | National Institutes of Health (NIH)
There is so much and yes they do say “peer review” so many too.
MaskScience.org links to 42 high-impact, peer-reviewed studies illustrating why masks fail to curb or reduce the spread of Covid-19, the negative effects of masking, and the adverse effects on children. This site includes links to numerous randomized clinical trials (RCTs) that evaluated the effects of masking on the airborne transmission of pathogens, including SARS-Cov-2. RCTs are the “gold standard” for measuring the effectiveness of an intervention. Several observational studies are not included on this site for the reasons well articulated in the August 2021 meta-analysis, Do Masks Work? This site is an actively maintained project. New studies are added as they become available. Suggestions are welcome by email. Help spread the word about this site.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
Promote general welfare does not mean mandate, coerce, ultimatums, lockdowns. Means give out information and let people make their own decisions. You know, freedom.
You simply don't know what you're talking about as the Preamble states the main purpose of the Constitutions that mandates our "rule of law". This is elementary and yet you don't even understand this that even an elementary student is taught.

You're making is abundantly clear why you don't even understand the basis of our government and our rule of law, thus trying to have a serious discussion with you on this is virtually impossible.
 
Are you really so utterly ignorant of the implication of this per our discussion on government responsibility and from where it ultimately stems? Maybe actually stop and think instead of posting just some sort of knee-jerk reaction. IOW, think.
I think you may be ignorant and deceived, living in 2019-2020. Still stuck in the “everyone’s going to die from Covid” fear porn.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
There is so much and yes they do say “peer review” so many too.
MaskScience.org links to 42 high-impact, peer-reviewed studies illustrating why masks fail to curb or reduce the spread of Covid-19, the negative effects of masking, and the adverse effects on children. This site includes links to numerous randomized clinical trials (RCTs) that evaluated the effects of masking on the airborne transmission of pathogens, including SARS-Cov-2. RCTs are the “gold standard” for measuring the effectiveness of an intervention. Several observational studies are not included on this site for the reasons well articulated in the August 2021 meta-analysis, Do Masks Work? This site is an actively maintained project. New studies are added as they become available. Suggestions are welcome by email. Help spread the word about this site.
I already had read that, which is nothing short of pure bunk as well.

I posted from a recognized scientific source-- you didn't. What's next: articles on someone finding Big Foot and then being abducted by aliens?

Maybe actually consider getting a subscription to "Scientific American" instead of the trash you've put forth.
 
You simply don't know what you're talking about as the Preamble states the main purpose of the Constitutions that mandates our "rule of law". This is elementary and yet you don't even understand this that even an elementary student is taught.

You're making is abundantly clear why you don't even understand the basis of our government and our rule of law, thus trying to have a serious discussion with you on this is virtually impossible.
I can’t have a serious conversation when you believe it’s governments role to raise and make decisions for children instead of parents.
We already saw how Biden tried to use OSHA to fine businesses who didn’t mandate vaccines and make his own laws when it’s Congress’ job. I’m glad the Supreme Court declined that.
We are probably at herd immunity too and you’re still promoting mandates when they are being lifted around the world. You may be one of the last hold outs.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
I think you may be ignorant and deceived, living in 2019-2020. Still stuck in the “everyone’s going to die from Covid” fear porn.
You know, the above just shows how willing you are to ignore the teachings of the Gospel and even the Constitution. Believe in what floats your boat I guess, but I'm done even trying to have a serious conversation with you. Anyone who is willing to have even children die out of his/her carelessness is no believer in the Gospel nor the Constitution.

bye
 
I already had read that, which is nothing short of pure bunk as well.

I posted from a recognized scientific source-- you didn't. What's next: articles on someone finding Big Foot and then being abducted by aliens?

Maybe actually consider getting a subscription to "Scientific American" instead of the trash you've put forth.
It’s not bunk about masks and you lose in that, you bought it all, now you still won’t give it up.
 
You know, the above just shows how willing you are to ignore the teachings of the Gospel and even the Constitution. Believe in what floats your boat I guess, but I'm done even trying to have a serious conversation with you. Anyone who is willing to have even children die out of his/her carelessness is no believer in the Gospel nor the Constitution.

bye
Children die??? How? They are low risk of hospitalization and death without vaccines and you want to jab and mask the kids. That’s insanity as far as I’m concerned, dangerous and ineffective. I posted the peer reviewed articles that you say are bunk but are not.
 

Sheldon

Veteran Member
. There is a small percentage of people who are at risk of hospitalization and death due to Covid. I don’t see any reason to continue with the mandates.

To safeguard the small percentage, obviously, do you not care if children die of Covid as it's a small percentage? That's without the higher rates of transmission of course, to people who might be at higher risk. Again all for lies and propaganda against vaccine that were demonstrated to be safe by through clinical trials, which has been borne out by hundreds of millions of successful vaccinations and no adverse side effects.
 

Sheldon

Veteran Member
It’s not bunk about masks and you lose in that, you bought it all, now you still won’t give it up.

A properly worn mask, that conforms to the proper standard, greatly reduces the rate at which we transfer the virus if infected.

Did you deny this fact as well? Quelle surprise.
 
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