What do You Think Science is...

[ppp]

None of them, go read your Bible again

The Bible does not tell me what YECs think. YECs tell.me what they think the Bible says.

 

[Sheldon]

Sheldon said: ↑
Care to quote where I claimed that?

You said you were for mandatory vaccines

So quote it then please, you are simply repeating the claim.

 

[Sheldon]

Don’t know anyone who believes that, lol

Go look in the creationism vs evolution thread. Are you not a young earth creationist then? My apologies if I've misunderstood you on that front. So you accept the scientific fact that the universe is over 13 billion years old, and that the earth 4 billion, and that humans only evolved around 200k years ago?

 

[ElishaElijah]

So quote it then please, you are simply repeating the claim.

ElishaElijah said: ↑
Really, so tell me are you for the vaccine mandates or letting the decision be up to patient and doctor?
For, definitely for. As much as I'd like to let the dumbest conspiraloons fulfil their destiny, and collect a Darwin award, I'd rather they didn't take countless others with them.

 

[Sheldon]

ElishaElijah said: ↑
Really, so tell me are you for the vaccine mandates or letting the decision be up to patient and doctor?
For, definitely for. As much as I'd like to let the dumbest conspiraloons fulfil their destiny, and collect a Darwin award, I'd rather they didn't take countless others with them.

Thank you, now I see no specific mention of children there?

And you want to mandate vaccines for all the kids…

So this seems a little hyperbolic no? However I think children ought to be protected as well, do you not? Since I have asked you repeatedly to offer any evidence of these adverse side effects you claim are a risk, despite hundreds of millions of people being safely vaccinated?

Also to explain why in the UK, for example, over 97% of covid deaths are unvaccinated?

Do you think that is a risk worth imposing on children based on lies and propaganda?

 

[ElishaElijah]

Thank you, now I see no specific mention of children there?



So this seems a little hyperbolic no? However I think children ought to be protected as well, do you not? Since I have asked you repeatedly to offer any evidence of these adverse side effects you claim are a risk, despite hundreds of millions of people being safely vaccinated?

Also to explain why in the UK, for example, over 97% of covid deaths are unvaccinated?

Do you think that is a risk worth imposing on children based on lies and propaganda?

You posted this and I agree with you:
Covid is asymptotic in roughly 90% of cases. The younger a person is, with no underlying health conditions, the more likely they are to suffer little ill affect.
With this information as well as what Dr. Junghan’s said about people who have acquired natural immunity and those who are vaccinated. There is a small percentage of people who are at risk of hospitalization and death due to Covid. I don’t see any reason to continue with the mandates. Many places are lifting their restrictions, don’t see the mandates as something to keep pushing at this point.

 

[ppp]

There is a small percentage of people who are at risk of hospitalization and death due to Covid.

What percentage is that? Also what percentage of the population won't die, but will be subject to long term debilitation effects? Please provide multiple medical studies published and peer reviewed in main stream medical journals that support your claim.

 

[ElishaElijah]

What percentage is that? Also what percentage of the population won't die, but will be subject to long term debilitation effects? Please provide multiple medical studies published and peer reviewed in main stream medical journals that support your claim.

Dr. Junghan’s in the comments section of your citation explains.

 

[ppp]

Dr. Junghan’s in the comments section of your citation explains.

He does not. You just keep making crap up.

 

[ElishaElijah]

He does not. You just keep making crap up.

This is from almost a year ago, do some math:

From April 2021, CDC data estimated 40% of the adult population was previously infected, with a much higher likely prevalence among front-line workers whom we disproportionately target with mandatory vaccination – whether in health care or other job classifications.

The impact? If we exempt prior infectees, this legitimately reduces the at-risk group from 50% down to 30% or 20%, much more manageable numbers. Any prior positive PCR, antigen or antibody test exempts them. Not everyone has proof of prior infection. But offering antibody testing to non-vaccinated employees will inform, and if positive, they are exempted. This has the further benefit of engaging the employee in his or her own health choices, and more likely to be agreeable to vaccination when offered after a negative test.

 

[ppp]

This is from almost a year ago, do some math:

No. Provide the studies I asked for.

 

[ElishaElijah]

No. Provide the studies I asked for.

No, but if you want them you can find them yourself. Percentages probably higher now though. If you want peer reviewed not sure CDC counts. Wonder what the percentage is now?

Data from blood donations show Americans w/ COVID-19 antibodies increased from 20.5% to 83.3% after the rollout of #COVID19 vaccines. CDC is learning more about how many people need antibodies before the population can be considered protected. Learn more: https://bit.ly/3DGdokU

 

[ppp]

No, but if you want them you can find them yourself.

Without said evidence your claims are nothing more than hot air. And I will continue to treat them as such.

 

[ElishaElijah]

Without said evidence your claims are nothing more than hot air. And I will continue to treat them as such.

Go ahead and are you saying CDC isn’t reliable information? By your questions are you saying if I provide a peer reviewed study reflecting the high percentage of people with antibodies say 80-90 % then no need for the vaccine mandates and you will agree with me?

 

[ppp]

Go ahead

I wasn't asking for your permission. But thank you, I will.

 

[rational experiences]

If you ask what is science.

His story of a man theist. Brothers agree. Just humans.

Just men on earth. No science whatsoever exists.

All states natural however do.

You think then claim I know. Then the I know claim involved I want.

You are healthy. Living. Natural.

No science.

Garden nature owns food healing plants. Awareness mineral chemicals humans biological support. Medical status. Natural innate acute self awareness. Human with natural support.

No science.

You wanted a theme about creation as one man. Any one man is one self. So lots of one man as men agreed with the want. The reasoning.

First formed bully group against humans natural family. How it began by mans human choice. History memories of billions of men. The theist I am a man god.

Just himself.

Science was your own invention as just the human.

As maths a formula had not invented created creation. Your BS status bully was a coercive attack on innocent consciousness is the human scientific status.

Forced Indoctrination his story.

Today any man created only by human sex is only biological human as old as your biological age count.

Yet you pretend talking that a human is thousands to millions of years old. By your say so.

In reality a human adult parent human is only as biological human living life present as old as any living biological human is.

Ignored totally. The past each biology human is deceased only.

Teaching about life with and on earth said present only as any thesis human.

Ignored blatantly by egotists.

Just one of many BS quotes of a coercive indoctrinator. Just humans.

Just a human.

Expressed man consciousness is by years of male egotism. Now you are so self possessed there is no discussing truth with you anymore.

 

[metis]

The idea put forth that children have some sort of natural immunity is simply not true as is the nonsense that they're not dying: From Reuters as found in Yahoo News:

Researchers reviewed data on nearly 80,000 U.S. children under age 5 with a first infection, including 7,201 infected in late December or early January when Omicron was causing more than 90% of cases. After accounting for other risk factors, including medical conditions and socioeconomic circumstances, researchers found children infected during the Omicron surge had a 29% lower risk of emergency department visits, a 67% lower risk of hospitalization, a 68% lower risk of needing intensive care, and a 71% lower risk of needing machines to breathe, compared to children infected with Delta. However, "because of Omicron's increased transmissibility, the overall number of emergency department visits, hospitalizations, ICU admissions, and mechanical ventilator use in children may still be greater" with Omicron than with Delta, according to a report posted on medRxiv ahead of peer review... Small children getting less sick from Omicron; Genetic mutation protects against severe COVID (yahoo.com)

Yes, omicron is not as deadly if caught but children are still dying, thus to ignore protecting them is simply not pro-life-- it's pro-death and contrary to the Gospel mandate of the Golden Rule. Common sense and common decency basically say that we must try to help others in need, thus not take positions of just person whim that could hurt others.

But then as we've seen so many times before, some just talk-the-talk.

 

[ElishaElijah]

The idea put forth that children have some sort of natural immunity is simply not true as is the nonsense that they're not dying: From Reuters as found in Yahoo News:

Researchers reviewed data on nearly 80,000 U.S. children under age 5 with a first infection, including 7,201 infected in late December or early January when Omicron was causing more than 90% of cases. After accounting for other risk factors, including medical conditions and socioeconomic circumstances, researchers found children infected during the Omicron surge had a 29% lower risk of emergency department visits, a 67% lower risk of hospitalization, a 68% lower risk of needing intensive care, and a 71% lower risk of needing machines to breathe, compared to children infected with Delta. However, "because of Omicron's increased transmissibility, the overall number of emergency department visits, hospitalizations, ICU admissions, and mechanical ventilator use in children may still be greater" with Omicron than with Delta, according to a report posted on medRxiv ahead of peer review... Small children getting less sick from Omicron; Genetic mutation protects against severe COVID (yahoo.com)

Yes, omicron is not as deadly if caught but children are still dying, thus to ignore protecting them is simply not pro-life-- it's pro-death and contrary to the Gospel mandate of the Golden Rule. Common sense and common decency basically say that we must try to help others in need, thus not take positions of just person whim that could hurt others.

But then as we've seen so many times before, some just talk-the-talk.

So the parents are responsible for their children according to the Gospel not the government. So when parents say they don’t want their children masked up and jabbed they are protecting their children.
As far as natural immunity and children goes, children have good immune systems so when they get Covid they’re bodies have proved to be equipped to fight it off and then have antibodies. Children have been low risk for hospitalization and death as @ Sheldon shared and I agree with him on that. You don’t?

 

[metis]

So the parents are responsible for their children according to the Gospel not the government.

False. Ever read the Preamble to the Constitution?

Also, you've managed to twist things, as the Gospel teaches respect for others and for us to do no harm, plus there's no specific statement about "the government" one way or another? In a democratic republic, we are the government-- Political Science 101.

Again, you continue to take a pro-death position that is contrary to the Gospel, so all you are doing and continue to do is to twist things to comply with your own secular beliefs.

 

[ElishaElijah]

False. Ever read the Preamble to the Constitution?

Also, you've managed to twist things, as the Gospel teaches respect for others and for us to do no harm, plus there's no specific statement about "the government" one way or another? In a democratic republic, we are the government-- Political Science 101.

Again, you continue to take a pro-death position that is contrary to the Gospel, so all you are doing and continue to do is to twist things to comply with your own secular beliefs.

Do you agree with @Sheldon when he said this:
Covid is asymptotic in roughly 90% of cases. The younger a person is, with no underlying health conditions, the more likely they are to suffer little ill affect.