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[Sheldon]

You are referring to a senator for medical data

"My days of not taking you seriously have definitely come to a middle" -Malcolm Reynolds

Citing a senator for medical advice, and using a now well known piece of false propaganda from the anti vaccination brigade. He clearly just Googled what he wanted, then posted it, and didn't bother to fact check it. Is anyone really surprised that people who deny established scientific facts, have zero critical thinking skills?

 

[metis]

What medical community said to mandate vaccines, masks or lockdown your country? Who decided to censor half the medical community? A senator isn’t qualified to have an opinion? They pass the laws so they better know what’s going on and especially with military personnel.

Is there a right-wing conspiracy theory you don't believe in?

 

[Sheldon]

Misuse VAERS too that’s monitored by CDC. Next thing when they can’t hide the vaccine adverse effects they will probably say to people, you weren’t forced and it was free. By the way do they even have Comirnaty yet, or is it obsolete?
It’s all a conspiracy theory, till it’s not

What Adverse effects, the link you posted was BS, it was pure propaganda as the link I cited demonstrated, the increase in figures were a result of not properly collecting data previously. For god's sake man, there were rates of illnesses like cancer increasing over 4000%, in a year, did that not suggest to you that something was amiss? A person would have to be insane to believe such obvious lies.

In the UK we have vaccinated almost 50 million people, with no significant side effects, care to explain that without resorting to wild conspiracies? Worldwide we are talking about hundreds of millions of successfully vaccinated people, and no significant side effects reported, just as the clinical trials had indicated. Again a person would have to be insane to believe governments throughout Europe would deliberately vaccinate hundreds of millions of people if the clinical trials had not indicated the vaccines were safe, what could possibly be their motive if they knew it would likely kill millions of people?

Conspiraloons just make me laugh.

 

[Sheldon]

His letter yes, looking forward to seeing what comes of this, so if it’s true about the adverse effects of the vaccine will be brought out in the open. Don’t you think that’s important for people to know?

IT-WAS-MADE-UP-NONSENSE. Did it not occur to you or that senator to fact check that BS before spreading wild claims all over the internet, where idiots will lap it up, and spread disinformation, and in the middle of a global pandemic. The mind just boggles at the sheer gullibility of people sometimes. What is it you think clinical trials do exactly?

 

[Sheldon]

I have no idea why you think anyone should care What a senator says. I'm not interested in politics as a method of determining correct medical procedures. Give me the consensus of the international medical community. A senator is not qualified to have an opinion.

Given that the claims were nonsense, that any child could have disproved with a cursory Google search, you'd have to question if he's qualified to be a Senator. If a politician representing me, published such dangerous and irresponsible garbage, I'd want them out of office ASAP.

How can anyone believe those increases anyway, they were absurd in isolation, but after the vaccines were submitted to thorough clinical trials, and then after hundreds of millions of people have successfully received several doses, across the globe, and no significant side effects have been evidenced. The sad thing is that this kind of ignorant scare mongering BS is not new either, and has had tragic repercussion in the past.

 

[ppp]

Given that the claims were nonsense, that any child could have disproved with a cursory Google search, you'd have to question if he's qualified to be a Senator. If a politician representing me, published such dangerous and irresponsible garbage, I'd want them out of office ASAP.

How can anyone believe those increases anyway, they were absurd in isolation, but after the vaccines were submitted to thorough clinical trials, and then after hundreds of millions of people have successfully received several doses, across the globe, and no significant side effects have been evidenced. The sad thing is that this kind of ignorant scare mongering BS is not new either, and has had tragic repercussion in the past.

He is a time waster. I am not even convinced that he even holds the position he espouses.

 

[ElishaElijah]

IT-WAS-MADE-UP-NONSENSE. Did it not occur to you or that senator to fact check that BS before spreading wild claims all over the internet, where idiots will lap it up, and spread disinformation, and in the middle of a global pandemic. The mind just boggles at the sheer gullibility of people sometimes. What is it you think clinical trials do exactly?

I actually watched Ron Johnson when he had some of the people who had experienced adverse
affects from the vaccines, to suggest there aren’t any when there are is dishonest and unethical in itself. Your previous article by David Gorski doesn’t sound like a credible source just by how he communicates, sounds more like a political pawn with a degree.

 

[metis]

@Sheldon, as you well know, a large part of the problem with what some here do is that they get their "information" from right-wing sources as we've repeatedly seen and are too lazy to check and see whether it's accurate or are just content to blindly accept "confirmation bias". You can almost always tell which here are most prone to doing that because all they are willing to do is to parrot what they hear or read from such sources. Also, they tend to play the "false equivalency" game by citing the exception rather than the rule.

Even though I find the Fox News channel to be quite disgusting because they intermix their propaganda in with the news, however I do watch it periodically, and the propaganda that I hear today probably will be parroted here tomorrow without them bothering to check and see whether it's accurate.

My point is that we are trying to undo the disinformation not only from some here at RF but also what's being broadcast through their propaganda sources. If we could encourage them to actually take some time and do the "cross-checking" like we were taught even in our elementary math classes that would be a good step forward.

 

[metis]

I actually watched Ron Johnson when he had some of the people who had experienced adverse
affects from the vaccines, to suggest there aren’t any when there are is dishonest and unethical in itself. Your previous article by David Gorski doesn’t sound like a credible source just by how he communicates, sounds more like a political pawn with a degree.

And you actually believe Ron Johnson? If so, you have my sympathies and, no, I'm not even going to waste my time explaining why as this guy has quite a "history" let me tell ya.

 

[ElishaElijah]

And you actually believe Ron Johnson? If so, you have my sympathies and, no, I'm not even going to waste my time explaining why as this guy has quite a "history" let me tell ya.

What I believe is there should be no Covid vaccine mandates and there have been adverse affects that are being suppressed and glad he had some of those people speak up and tell what happened to them.
Like I have said get the vaccine if you want, it’s free and available, thumbs up.
Many people don’t want it, have gotten Covid and recovered but it’s just doesn’t seem good enough for you. Why not? Doctors are saying this immunity is best.
You should be happy with that, are you?

 

[ElishaElijah]

So do @metis @Sheldon @Policy agree with Dr. Junghans post #377, on natural immunity and what he said?

 

[Sheldon]

So do @metis @Sheldon @Policy agree with Dr. Junghans post #377, on natural immunity and what he said?

1. Can you cite any significant and detrimental side effects among the hundreds of millions of people who have been vaccinated globally?

2. Can you explain why the medical evidence now shows that the vast majority of Covid deaths, in the UK for example over 97%, are unvaccinated people?

 

[Sheldon]

there should be no Covid vaccine mandates and there have been adverse affects that are being suppressed

Suppressed by whom, to what end, and how do you claim to know, what the medical community do not, if the information has been suppressed, and why haven't these "adverse side effects" been obvious among the hundreds of millions who have now received vaccines globally? I have had three vaccinations from the Oxford developed Astrazeneca vaccine, and a booster from the Pfizer vaccine, and the only side affect I have experienced beyond a 24 hr fever after the last one, is to NOT DIE FROM COVID, OR END UP ON A VENTILATOR IN INTENSIVE CARE UNIT.

 

[ElishaElijah]

1. Can you cite any significant and detrimental side effects among the hundreds of millions of people who have been vaccinated globally?

2. Can you explain why the medical evidence now shows that the vast majority of Covid deaths, in the UK for example over 97%, are unvaccinated people?

Can you answer the question I asked about natural immunity by Dr. Junghans and his comments addressing that very thing?

 

[Sheldon]

Can you answer the question I asked about natural immunity by Dr. Junghans and his comments addressing that very thing?

That post was not addressed to me, and I can see no question, ask me a question and I will give it due diligence, now can you answer mine?

1. Can you cite any significant and detrimental side effects among the hundreds of millions of people who have been vaccinated globally?

2. Can you explain why the medical evidence now shows that the vast majority of Covid deaths, in the UK for example over 97%, are unvaccinated people?

 

[ElishaElijah]

That post was not addressed to me, and I can see no question, ask me a question and I will give it due diligence, now can you answer mine?

#391

 

[ElishaElijah]

Suppressed by whom, to what end, and how do you claim to know, what the medical community do not, if the information has been suppressed, and why haven't these "adverse side effects" been obvious among the hundreds of millions who have now received vaccines globally? I have had three vaccinations from the Oxford developed Astrazeneca vaccine, and a booster from the Pfizer vaccine, and the only side affect I have experienced beyond a 24 hr fever after the last one, is to NOT DIE FROM COVID, OR END UP ON A VENTILATOR IN INTENSIVE CARE UNIT.

I’m glad for you. None in my household has been hospitalized from Covid and we all got it once a while ago, say 6-7 months. Some of my family got vaccinated and all of them ended up getting a Covid anyway, all under 30. You couldn’t tell the difference in the symptoms from my kids who didn’t get the vaccine and those who did.

 

[Sheldon]

#391

Which part? the post contains a long rambling list of assertions.

In the mean time here are my two very simple questions, that address claims you have made in this thread.

1. Can you cite any significant and detrimental side effects among the hundreds of millions of people who have been vaccinated globally?

2. Can you explain why the medical evidence now shows that the vast majority of Covid deaths, in the UK for example over 97%, are unvaccinated people?

 

[Sheldon]

None in my household has been hospitalized from Covid and we all got it once a while ago, say 6-7 months. Some of my family got vaccinated and all of them ended up getting a Covid anyway, all under 30. You couldn’t tell the difference in the symptoms from my kids who didn’t get the vaccine and those who did.

Covid is asymptotic in roughly 90% of cases. The younger a person is, with no underlying health conditions, the more likely they are to suffer little ill affect. Again the relevance is that in the clinical trials the Oxford team conducted on the AstraZeneca vaccine, no one become critically ill. I'm not sure why you keep ignoring that fact, or the fact that the clinical trials showed no adverse side effects, and this has been borne out by hundreds of millions of successful vaccinations. Your assertion seems little more than whataboutism to me, since no one has suggested many people can survive catching covid, however the vaccines protect those who could not, and help stop the spread of the virus, both directly and indirectly. Directly since it reduces the chances of infection, and indirectly since those infected will not be centred in large hospitals requiring intensive treatment, that would inevitably of course bring them into direct contact with other patients who are extremely vulnerable to such a virus.

The money argument makes no sense to me, since no one suggests not using toilet roll, for example, because the companies that make it are seeking profits. Going without toilet roll might be unpleasant, but going unvaccinated can have catastrophic consequences for millions globally. Again it was explained that in the UK over 97% of Covid deaths are no unvaccinated people, is that just a coincidence?

 

[ElishaElijah]

Which part? the post contains a long rambling list of assertions.

Ok I got you now thanks