ElishaElijah
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That’s your propaganda, lol
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What do You Think Science is...
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Sheldon
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"The more we find out especially from Israel where they are on the 4th booster and still worse off it looks like. "
That'll do for a starter, when the truth is that the 4th booster is less effective against the latest Omicron variant. Not ineffective, but less effective. You are implying dishonestly that they would be better off without the vaccine, otherwise what does "worse off after the 4th booster mean exactly?"
That is duplicitous propaganda, and dangerous at that. Sadly ignorance tends to have a high volume.
The vaccines, and there are many of them, are saving countless lives. What's more teams that developed these vaccines in an astonishingly quick timescale, are working on improved vaccines for variants like Omicron. yet the best you can come up with is that dishonest propaganda. You do know that the other variants are still inflecting and killing people right? That some experts are arguing for the 4th dose based on that rationale, I guess not. Just spouting ignorant anti vaccine propaganda. Then again you also deny species evolution, so quelle surprise.
Sheldon
Veteran Member
Which part of that are you claiming is false?
ppp
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Including abortion?
ElishaElijah
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Vaccine mandates are wrong bro, the jury is still out concerning them and the longer time goes on the worse the data.
Health decisions between doctor and patient is the proper way to go.
Israel data is not propaganda, they were the most
vaccinated group percentage wise why not consider how they did?
Why wasn’t immunity by recovery something that was mentioned? No, it was vaccines and mandatory for everyone, even low risk of death or hospitalization healthy people.
Sheldon
Veteran Member
Employers have a legal obligation to protect their employees, bro. Not to mention the patients in the care of the NHS.
Knock yourself out, but expect your freedom to randomly infect others to be curtailed.
I never said it was, I said your gross and dishonest misrepresentation of it was propaganda, try responding to what I actually said, and not your straw man.
I have no idea what you're referring to, or what you're claiming, or what you're implying it means?
You know they can still infect others right? You don't seem to understand that "I'm alright Jack" is not a very compelling argument for your selfish stance on avoiding vaccination.
ElishaElijah
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You know vaccinated can infect other people, right? That’s the problem and why mandates should be over.
ElishaElijah
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I’m not the dishonest person here and have no straw man. The vaccines may be good for some
and not for others. What was promoted was the vaccines were the answer for everyone to end Covid and that’s not the case. We get a new variant and by the time we get the booster for that a different variant. That’s my observation of it.
ppp
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And yet that paragraph is a dishonest strawman. Also, subreption.
ElishaElijah
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Yeah including abortion, they should be rare and any ethical Doctor wouldn’t be killing a baby in the womb especially a fully formed baby. So when that unethical procedure becomes common place in a society people are obligated to speak up on the babies behalf.
ElishaElijah
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No it isn’t
ppp
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If the decision is between the person and their doctor, then your opinion on whether or not it is "ethical" to have an abortion is irrelevant.
ppp
Well-Known Member
You are incorrect. Again.
Sheldon
Veteran Member
1. I never said the vaccine guaranteed to stop infection. (straw man fallacy)
2. The vaccinate greatly reduces the rate of infection.
3. Do you think I won't notice you didn't answer my question...
Refusing the vaccine because you are low risk, is a shamefully selfish act. Dress it up any way you want. Spreading false propaganda about the vaccine as smoke screen for this selfishness is egregiously immoral. Like your dishonest misrepresentation of Israel's position earlier.
Sheldon
Veteran Member
There are no "babies" in the womb. if you can't even get that right, then we can only infer you bring the same lack of integrity to abortion, that you do to vaccine debate. Then again you deny scientific facts like species evolution, in favour of archaic myths, so again I shan't even feign surprise.
ElishaElijah
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If that’s how you feel then you have nothing to say to anyone about anything.
ElishaElijah
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I do have that right, even the mother says And knows she’s having a baby and is with child. What’s the percentage of people in the world today that were once what you call a fetus?
Sheldon
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Yes it was a straw man, and a grossly dishonest misrepresentation of the scientific position, as this virus has evolved and mutated into different variants.
<LINK TO UK GOV SITE>
"In the period July to December 2021, the age-adjusted risk of death involving coronavirus (COVID-19) was 93.4% lower for people who had received a third dose, or booster, at least 21 days ago compared with unvaccinated people.
In the period July to December 2021, the age-adjusted risk of death involving COVID-19 was 81.2% lower for people who had received a second dose at least 21 days ago compared with unvaccinated people; for January to June 2021, this was 99.5% lower."
ElishaElijah
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Lol bro, killing fully formed babies in the womb just because and you tell me lack of integrity.
Sheldon
Veteran Member
That is how you feel, since you were the one who said it was between a patient and a doctor, but now want to move the goal posts when it comes to abortion. Yet an abortion doesn't affect anyone outside of the woman's own body, unlike not getting vaccinated.
How do you feel about the vaccine that eradicated smallpox by the way, was that wrong as well, should that have been optional?