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Then there are those that believe they are, but know they are not living like it, and wish they could, but they don't. And since I would think that even the best of Christian doesn't think they are perfect, they too fall into that category of not being able to live up to a perfect Christian standard, yet believe they are saved.
Why are you choosing to limit yourself? Did not God place the wings on a bird? Did not God have birds flying all around? Did not God place this truth in the world? These are all Actions of God.
No, they are not Actions of God, they are actions of God's Creation, in this case birds.
Look again. I pointed you in the direction by which you could Discover that which you said you were seeking. Real Proof, that I assumed you were seeking can not be served up like a pizza. The Real Proof is a journey each must take for themselves. I can serve up facts, however those facts can only be beliefs until their Real Proof is Discovered. I have Discovered these facts since I had to have the real answers when I Discovered religion did not add up. My journey continues because there is still so much more to learn.
You assumed I am seeking what you are. You offered nothing of any substance, just fortune cookie sayings.
I don't see you understanding much at all.
I understand that you value religious jargon.
You are lost in your little fantasy. Why haven't you discovered that?
We humans decide our meaning and purpose. If you need jargon to define your purpose, well it likely won't provide much meaning. Do you think your purpose is telling others what need to do?
Why would I need to speculate about such nonsense? I'm secure and balanced.
No, which is odd that you seem so confident in belief in dubious concepts.
The whole point of the Bible is that we aren’t perfect and can’t live up to God’s perfect standard… that is the reason we NEED a SAVIOR.
But my standard is higher than God's standard.
All of the god claims presented thus far have reflected the morality of the originating human believers, and the times in which they lived. Nothing more. Look at your sentence above. It provides neither standards nor supporting reasoning. It is just an exhortation, a repetition, of your doctrine.
You would just have to be there. If I am to ignore what I have Discovered, I would have to say you or anyone else I have ever interacted with does not exist. How can you expect me to ignore facts??
Sure, but where is the line where a person that believes, they are saved goes too far into sin? If they repent, they are forgiven. But who is able to repent for all their sins? So, that means that most, if not all of us, are continuing to commit the same sins over and over again and never really repent of them.
And that's what I think too. People, probably the religious leaders, made up the moral codes. Most people, and possibly all, can't and don't live up to those moral codes. So, what good are they except to make believers feel guilty for thinking and doing things their religion forbids and calls sinful? I guess it does get some of them to do it less often.
I don’t think it works that way. I don’t commit the same sins over and over again, nor do I commit the same sins I did before being saved or in my early days and years as a Christian. I know plenty of Christians whose lives have been changed by God. The Bible calls it sanctification
I have higher standards. For example I would never create a baby with genes that cause cancer. I would not create a baby with defects. Your God does, as we observe. That is cruel and immoral.
If you are happy in your process than I have nothing to offer. It's when you tell me I need to follow your advice when I didn't ask it that I will challenge you.
Is that a serious question? Think of the alternative.
Limits? What are you talking about? This is as clear as Chopra speak.
You get around this by calling your beliefs "truth". Many religious people do this. Get past that impulse and temptation then maybe you will make real progress.
No, that’s not correct. According to the scriptures, God created the first humans without defects. Sin damaged God’s good creation with its detrimental effects which have accelerated and accumulated over time, impacting all life on this planet. If you’ve read the scriptures at all you’ve noticed that humans lived a lot longer; i.e.
But God's plan B was cancer and defects for innocent ancestors. That was your God's design. I would never hurt kids like your God does. Or did your God not know what it was doing?
Oh yeah, God created Eden with rules for Adam and Eve that they weren't able to follow because they were naive. But not only that, God sent the Serpent to tempt them. It was all a set up. But you do understand that the Garden story is a myth, yes? It's not real.
Yeah, as if any of this is believable. The fact is that if your version of God exists and is the creator it is ultimately responsible for kids dying of cancer today. These kids did nothing wrong, yet to you it's moral that your God sits by and does nothing to stop it. Is that OK with you?
Bahaullah says it right "Heart's Desire"
