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What does God want from you?
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Trailblazer
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Sending Messengers.
Maintaining and ruling all of existence.
Not sufficient for you.
muhammad_isa
Veteran Member
I don't agree with that. The universe cannot be "dead", as it contains us.
Are we higher than our root? I say not.
Bird123
Well-Known Member
You Believe!!! That is the flaw. Perhaps, you should be working at Discovering the Real Truth instead of settling on mere beliefs.
If I ignored what the messengers said, how could I know they do not come from God? Your Math is Faulty as well.
That's what I see. It's very clear!!
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
You believe your own blarney. That is the flaw. Perhaps you should listen to the Messengers instead of settling on mere beliefs.
You don't know that they don't come from God, you only believe it.
You believe they don't come from God because belief in Messengers goes against your own beliefs that you can Discover the Real Truth without Messengers.
The math all adds up.
That's what I see. It's very clear!!
Bird123
Well-Known Member
Once again you deal in Beliefs. I do not. Why do you expect me to now? Discovering things is not about accepting or rejecting. It's about what is. Can you understand the difference?
I know God. I have had Interaction with God. I know what the messengers are teaching is not God. If they were teaching God, you would see a Masterpiece instead of a mess. This is what is!!! On the other hand, since you have done little Discovering on your own, all you have are Beliefs. If beliefs are all you value, does it really matter which beliefs you pick? Pick whatever makes you happy. Of course, there will come a time when truth will become more important to you. It appears this is not that time.
OK. Let's sum it up a bit. You do not Understand God. You do not Understand the petty things mankind holds so dear, You do not Understand Unconditional Love. Does this make you evil because one should know these things??? Of course not!!! It's just like others making bad choices you have already learned were not the Best choices. You are making choices I could never choose because others are hurt and hated through those choices.
Now, if I did choose to label you evil, would that just mean that I do not understand or that my IQ has suddenly dropped? It would mean that I hate. How would you feel then? Wouldn't you just return those petty things mankind holds so dear? What would I be teaching you then? Certainly, it would not be goodness regardless of how many messengers said it was OK.
We all have the power to Choose. Do we Hurt or Do we HELP????
Don't you see? It has always been within your hands!!
That's what I see. It's very clear!!
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
Who said that the universe is dead? Every atom and even sub-atomic particles are active all the time. Our root is 'physical energy/space'.
The universe is all of space and time and their contents, including planets, stars, galaxies, and all other forms of matter and energy. The Big Bang theory is the prevailing cosmological description of the development of the universe.
Universe - Wikipedia
The question I posted was 'What proof you have for God or messengers?'
Bird123
Well-Known Member
You make assumptions in order to make everything fit into your box of beliefs.
There is so much you do not know. Your view is very limited. It seems you have much to learn and Discover before we can have a common frame of reference.
I have pointed you. There are things you must do. No one can do it for you. If you really seek proof and answers, they do not come before the journey as you seem to expect. Beliefs are not where I have been pointing.
That's what I see. It's very clear!!
muhammad_isa
Veteran Member
..so not dead then .. but dumb? non-aware?
If the universe is aware, then there is G-d
It's a bit like looking in parallel mirrors .. it goes on and on.
Why do you ALWAYS duck that question?
Is it that you don't know the answer? If that's the case, please say so.
Is it that you know the answer but don't think it's advantageous to whatever it is you're trying to convey? If that's the case, again, please say so.
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
Universe is not aware, it is reactive because of four fundamental forces of nature...so not dead then .. but dumb? non-aware?
If the universe is aware, then there is G-d
It's a bit like looking in parallel mirrors .. it goes on and on.
Fundamental interaction - Wikipedia
How does that prove existence of God and his sending messengers to the world?
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
"He said, he wrote" - Sure, what an uneducated 19th Century Iranian Shia, who never studied in a school, says or writes, and who claims to be a messenger from Allah without ever providing any other evidence - that alone is not sufficient enough for me in this 21st Century..
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
I have beliefs but so do you. You just refuse to admit it. What you have are beliefs because they are not facts.
Why do you think that what you discover is what is? What does that even mean?
No, you do not know God and you have had no interaction with God. I consider you to be delusional.
No, you do not know that, you only BELIEVE that.
What is a Masterpiece?
I have lived a lot longer than you have and I have discovered more than you have. My beliefs don't interfere with my living life.
That is what you do, pick beliefs that make you happy. That is not what I do.
I have what I can know of the truth about God. You have nothing but your made up beliefs.
OK. Let's sum it up. You do not Understand anything about God. You call what God has revealed through Messengers petty.
You live in a fantasy of your own creation.
Unconditional Love is not good. It is bad for evil people because it makes them think that what they do is just fine. It is the worst thing you can do for them.
That's what I see. It's very clear!!
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muhammad_isa
Veteran Member
The universe contains us .. are you not aware???
Proof?
It is elementary, my dear Watson.
ppp
Well-Known Member
That is the error of assuming that what is true of a member of a group is true for the group as a whole.
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
What are we? Just one of the 8 million+ species of a small planet of a small sun in some 200 billion to 2 trillion galaxies in the observable universe each having perhaps 100 billion stars (if we take Milky Way galaxy as a model, it being one of the smaller galaxies, stats from Google Search). We (and other living beings, animals and vegetation) are aware because of the arrangement of atoms for a short period of time (shorter for animals as compared to some vegetation species). It is hardly anything to brag about.The universe contains us .. are you not aware???
Proof? It is elementary, my dear Watson.
Don't talk of fiction. Science needs hard proof to accept anything.
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muhammad_isa
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muhammad_isa
Veteran Member
You can think of yourself as "insignificant", if it pleases you
..but you are just using deviation to wriggle out..
ppp
Well-Known Member
Not only is assuming that what is true of a member of a group is true for the group as a whole an error, but it's a logical fallacy. Containers don't necessarily take on the characteristic of what they contain.It's no mistake!
Now, if I had said that we are aware, so a handful of dust is aware .. that would be a mistake.
..but the universe encompasses all.
By your reasoning, if I put you in a steel box, the steel box becomes aware merely because it encompasses you.