What does the fossil record say?

[Autodidact]

According to the book of Genesis, outside the ark “all flesh that was moving upon the earth expired” during the worldwide flood. (Gen. 7:21)
Is there widespread evidence of such a watery destruction of living creatures?

No. What we would expect to see would be a single sedimentary layer, all over the world, of a fairly uniform thickness, at the same geological depth, and containing the fossils of all different sorts of creatures mixed indiscriminately in the same layer: fish, dinosaurs, mammals, birds, trees, trilobites, snails, etc. We do not see this anywhere in the world, let alone all over the world.

(1) NOW you resort to chronology! It seems to be quite convenient for you to cite fossils chronologically when it suits you.

Yes, it's convenient because it's true, and demonstrates that the Theory of Evolution (ToE) is correct.

Here's why:
(2) Interestingly, in the United States, England, France, southern Spain, Germany, Russia and elsewhere huge fissures in the earth have been found filled with the remains of large numbers of animals. They include mixtures of bones of the elephant, rhinoceros, hippopotamus, reindeer, horse, hog, bear, and many others.

But no dinosaurs, early mammals, trilobites, or other animals that went extinct long before. That's because there has never been a worldwide flood.

One such cavern near Palermo, Sicily, yielded more than twenty tons of bones for commercial purposes.
Often these fissures are located on isolated hills at considerable height where animals would be expected to flee from floodwaters that “kept increasing greatly upon the earth.” (Gen.7:18)

But they do not reflect what we would expect to see had there been a single worldwide flood. Rather they are consistent with what we do see, which is thousands of localized floods at different times and places.

With regard to the variety of animal remains found in one bone cave, the book Earth’s Most Challenging Mysteries asks:
(3) “What made rabbits run into the same cave as coyotes? And an antelope with a wolverine and a grizzly? Bones of the mastodon were found, also a few reptiles . . . The whole mass of bones was covered and preserved by a flood deposit of gravel and rocks.”

Still no dinosaurs, no trilobites, etc. etc, which we would expect to see had there been a single worldwide flood. Moreover, all of these bones are older than the date you posit for the flood.

(4) An extraordinary testimony to the widespread watery destruction of animal life is the remains of the mammoths found throughout northern Siberia and into Alaska. Hundreds of thousands (some estimate as many as 5,000,000) of these creatures were rapidly buried and quick-frozen in icy muck. They are sometimes found in a near-perfect state of preservation, with undigested tropical vegetation in their stomachs and between their teeth. As to the type of catastrophe that could sweep away creatures over so widespread an area, Earth’s Most Challenging Mysteries observes:

Like virtually all creationists, you are also a plagiarist. This is a violation of the law and forum rules. Stop. Next time I report you. btw, Where are you getting this baloney, because it's sliced pretty thick.

“There is one significant fact that is always connected with every dinosaur fossil and every mammoth fossil, and that is that every fossil is almost invariably dug out of water-laid sedimentary rock. Every fossil is either dug out of shale, which is just floodwater mud hardened into rock, or out of floodwater sand hardened into sandstone, or frozen into permafrost.”

Yeah, sedimentary formation is pretty much how fossils usually get made.

(6)The book Target: Earth notes with regard to the Yukon district of North America:
“The presence of bones, trees, peat, and other debris all mixed together down to a depth of nearly 100 feet, points to a cataclysmic flood of tremendous proportions that must have moved across the land, grinding the bodies of the animals with stones and trees and spreading the whole out over the Yukon Valley.” And when the destruction had been accomplished, what happened to the floodwaters?

Looks like they may have had yet another separate flood there.

(7) A sinking of the sea basins would cause the waters to collect there, allowing dry land to appear again. There is evidence on the seabed that very deep sections were once dry land.

Yup, the continents have moved around, raised and lowered many times. Further, many places that are now mountains were once under water. Just never all at the same time, let alone a few thousand years ago.

(8) Water laid materials formed rock layers which cover much of the earth's surface.

These parallel strata do not have evidence of erosion between them. They must have been laid down rapidly without time for erosion in between.

Where are you stealing your balderdash from now, here or maybe here? If you cited your sources, as forum rules require, it would help us evaluate them. Are any of these people geologists?

Vast areas were covered. Nothing like this is happening today. Even the largest rivers cover only small areas in their floods and deltas. Where did all the water laid materials come from that became sedimentary rock?

Floods, lakes, oceans, various sources.

(9) Sedimentary rocks are not now being laid down on the bottoms of oceans.

So do you steal everything directly from here? Is the author, Germaine Charles Lockwood a geologist? If not, why would we view him as an expert in this field?

There was a world-wide flood that tore the surface of the world covering vast areas of the world with stratum upon stratum in rapid succession without time for erosion in between.

:biglaugh: That's a good one.

Tides swept the earth. Volcanic eruptions sent forth great waves of water, tsunamis, and spewed forth lava, ash and dust upon the earth. The great fountains of the great deep burst forth. The waters above the earth came down.

Wow, not only is there no evidence for that, it's not even Biblical. Are you a Walt Brown fan? Cuz that guy is nutso.

(10) Forests were smashed and compressed by waves and layers of water laid deposits, forming coal. Coal is found all over the world on every continent even in Antarctica near the South Pole and on Spitsbergen (Svalbard) near the North Pole.

Which, in itself, disproves your position.

(11) Various kinds of sea life are often found on top of and between layers of coal. Corals and deep sea crinoids often alternate with coal layers. This shows that the waves were from the ocean that smashed the trees and vegetation and then deposited them over vast areas in layer upon layer. Vast areas of the earth are covered with water laid vegetation that became coal under high pressures from the materials above .

Let me know if you ever have anything to post that conforms with forum rules, that is, anything of your own composition.

 

[wilsoncole]

No. What we would expect to see would be a single sedimentary layer, all over the world, of a fairly uniform thickness, at the same geological depth, and containing the fossils of all different sorts of creatures mixed indiscriminately in the same layer: fish, dinosaurs, mammals, birds, trees, trilobites, snails, etc. We do not see this anywhere in the world, let alone all over the world.

Yes, it's convenient because it's true, and demonstrates that the Theory of Evolution (ToE) is correct.

But no dinosaurs, early mammals, trilobites, or other animals that went extinct long before. That's because there has never been a worldwide flood.

But they do not reflect what we would expect to see had there been a single worldwide flood. Rather they are consistent with what we do see, which is thousands of localized floods at different times and places.

Still no dinosaurs, no trilobites, etc. etc, which we would expect to see had there been a single worldwide flood. Moreover, all of these bones are older than the date you posit for the flood.

Like virtually all creationists, you are also a plagiarist. This is a violation of the law and forum rules. Stop. Next time I report you. btw, Where are you getting this baloney, because it's sliced pretty thick.

Yeah, sedimentary formation is pretty much how fossils usually get made.

Looks like they may have had yet another separate flood there.

Yup, the continents have moved around, raised and lowered many times. Further, many places that are now mountains were once under water. Just never all at the same time, let alone a few thousand years ago.

(8) Water laid materials formed rock layers which cover much of the earth's surface.
Where are you stealing your balderdash from now, here or maybe here? If you cited your sources, as forum rules require, it would help us evaluate them. Are any of these people geologists? Floods, lakes, oceans, various sources.

So do you steal everything directly from here? Is the author, Germaine Charles Lockwood a geologist? If not, why would we view him as an expert in this field? :biglaugh: That's a good one.
Wow, not only is there no evidence for that, it's not even Biblical. Are you a Walt Brown fan? Cuz that guy is nutso.

Which, in itself, disproves your position.

Let me know if you ever have anything to post that conforms with forum rules, that is, anything of your own composition.

I posted this material on a different forum before and kept a copy on a word processor. I pasted it from there and forgot to include the sources. My bad!
The names of the publications are mentioned in the material.
"The Flood" by A.M. Rehnwinkle.
The book:"Earth's Most Challenging Mysteries" where much of this material comes from, was written by Reginald Daly. He was instructor in physics at the Missouri School of Mines. He also taught mathematics and physics at such colleges and universities as Bradley University, Western Illinois University, University of Grand Rapids, Ely Junior College, Mankato State College, Washington State University and Chico State College.
Book Briefs

This material is summarized in the publication:
Awake! 75 6/8 pp. 6-8 "A Worldwide Flood—What Does It Mean to You?"
This is where I got it from.

 

[wilsoncole]

Be careful with your logic... by this standard Hercules was a real person and the son of Zeus because the myths list real places. Not to mention Achilles and his crew.

wa:do

My logic is fine! I have to wonder about yours, though.
The descendants of Abraham can and has been traced by linguistics and their genealogy.
Who are the decendants of Zeus and Achilles and where is their genealogy?

 

[Autodidact]

I posted this material on a different forum before and kept a copy on a word processor. I pasted it from there and forgot to include the sources. My bad!
The names of the publications are mentioned in the material.
"The Flood" by A.M. Rehnwinkle.
The book:"Earth's Most Challenging Mysteries" where much of this material comes from, was written by Reginald Daly. He was instructor in physics at the Missouri School of Mines. He also taught mathematics and physics at such colleges and universities as Bradley University, Western Illinois University, University of Grand Rapids, Ely Junior College, Mankato State College, Washington State University and Chico State College.
Book Briefs

The author is not the well-known geologist R. A. (Reginald Aldworth) Daly, but his nephew Reginald M. Daly, a creationist writer whose work is a pathetic travesty of the older man's intellectual legacy. He is a biblical fundamentalist for whom "The problem... is: How to get evolution out of geology, and also out of biology, and out of the school system entirely; also out of the pulpits if any clergymen are found promoting it." Nor is he a geologist. The cover blurb says he has a master's in basic science and has taught physics and freshman math at various institutions.

from here.
[btw, that demonstrates for you the proper way to cite the work of others.]

This material is summarized in the publication:
Awake! 75 6/8 pp. 6-8 "A Worldwide Flood—What Does It Mean to You?"
This is where I got it from.

All you needed to do was to tell the truth, apologize, and move on. Instead you chose to lie, so I will now report you to the mods.

Huge chunks of your post were stolen from Origin of the Cosmos Ch. 11, by that well known loon and non-geologist, the late Charles Germaine Lockwood.

 

[painted wolf]

According to the book of Genesis, outside the ark “all flesh that was moving upon the earth expired” during the worldwide flood. (Gen. 7:21)
Is there widespread evidence of such a watery destruction of living creatures?

No, that is why I mention the ashfall fossil beds. There are lots of other examples too. Like the asphalt beds of La Brea... no flooding there.

Unless you think the flood receded long enough for those critters to gather, then die and get buried with nice dry fluffy ash... and then get covered up by the flood again?

[qutoe] (1) NOW you resort to chronology! It seems to be quite convenient for you to cite fossils chronologically when it suits you. [/quote] I had no idea i had been avoiding it.

I do not know if that is true and I have no reason to take your word for it but I really doubt that you could find that state of affairs all over the earth.

You could research it yourself... no one is hiding anything. You can even visit the rocks and fossil sites yourself if you really wanted to.

Here's why:
(2) Interestingly, in the United States, England, France, southern Spain, Germany, Russia and elsewhere huge fissures in the earth have been found filled with the remains of large numbers of animals. They include mixtures of bones of the elephant, rhinoceros, hippopotamus, reindeer, horse, hog, bear, and many others.

source?
You will notice that all those animals... no dinosaurs, no phytosaurs or other early reptiles... nothing really really old.

One such cavern near Palermo, Sicily, yielded more than twenty tons of bones for commercial purposes.
Often these fissures are located on isolated hills at considerable height where animals would be expected to flee from floodwaters that “kept increasing greatly upon the earth.” (Gen.7:18)

same as above.

With regard to the variety of animal remains found in one bone cave, the book Earth’s Most Challenging Mysteries asks:
(3) “What made rabbits run into the same cave as coyotes? And an antelope with a wolverine and a grizzly? Bones of the mastodon were found, also a few reptiles . . . The whole mass of bones was covered and preserved by a flood deposit of gravel and rocks.”

How about predators brings prey into the cave to eat? Modern predators do it all the time.
Also what kind of cave is it? if it is a sinkhole animals are known to fall into them pretty often.

(4) An extraordinary testimony to the widespread watery destruction of animal life is the remains of the mammoths found throughout northern Siberia and into Alaska. Hundreds of thousands (some estimate as many as 5,000,000) of these creatures were rapidly buried and quick-frozen in icy muck. They are sometimes found in a near-perfect state of preservation, with undigested tropical vegetation in their stomachs and between their teeth. As to the type of catastrophe that could sweep away creatures over so widespread an area, Earth’s Most Challenging Mysteries observes:

Untrue... No tropical vegetation has been found only steppe vegetation. For example with Lyuba: Lyuba - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

But this is a common story, so I'm not surprised you would think it's true.

“There is one significant fact that is always connected with every dinosaur fossil and every mammoth fossil, and that is that every fossil is almost invariably dug out of water-laid sedimentary rock. Every fossil is either dug out of shale, which is just floodwater mud hardened into rock, or out of floodwater sand hardened into sandstone, or frozen into permafrost.”

I hate to break it to you but this is full of falsehoods. Again, I point out the Ashfall Fossil Beds as just one example.

[qutoe] (6)The book Target: Earth notes with regard to the Yukon district of North America:
“The presence of bones, trees, peat, and other debris all mixed together down to a depth of nearly 100 feet, points to a cataclysmic flood of tremendous proportions that must have moved across the land, grinding the bodies of the animals with stones and trees and spreading the whole out over the Yukon Valley.” And when the destruction had been accomplished, what happened to the floodwaters? [/quote] Actually it's the way freeze/thaw cycles work in the arctic.

(7) A sinking of the sea basins would cause the waters to collect there, allowing dry land to appear again. There is evidence on the seabed that very deep sections were once dry land.

Just continental shelves... nothing "very deep".

(8) Water laid materials formed rock layers which cover much of the earth's surface.
These parallel strata do not have evidence of erosion between them. They must have been laid down rapidly without time for erosion in between. Vast areas were covered. Nothing like this is happening today. Even the largest rivers cover only small areas in their floods and deltas. Where did all the water laid materials come from that became sedimentary rock?

Actually Igneous and metamorphic rocks are far more common and widespread. That is why I can't dig for fossils in my back yard.
And there is some very cool evidence of erosion between layers of sedimentary rock.

(9) Sedimentary rocks are not now being laid down on the bottoms of oceans. There was a world-wide flood that tore the surface of the world covering vast areas of the world with stratum upon stratum in rapid succession without time for erosion in between.
Tides swept the earth. Volcanic eruptions sent forth great waves of water, tsunamis, and spewed forth lava, ash and dust upon the earth. The great fountains of the great deep burst forth. The waters above the earth came down.

also, in rivers, lakes, ponds and so on... Oceans are not the only source of sedimentary rock.

(10) Forests were smashed and compressed by waves and layers of water laid deposits, forming coal. Coal is found all over the world on every continent even in Antarctica near the South Pole and on Spitsbergen (Svalbard) near the North Pole.

Isn't continental drift fun.

(11) Various kinds of sea life are often found on top of and between layers of coal. Corals and deep sea crinoids often alternate with coal layers. This shows that the waves were from the ocean that smashed the trees and vegetation and then deposited them over vast areas in layer upon layer. Vast areas of the earth are covered with water laid vegetation that became coal under high pressures from the materials above .

So... the flood ebbed and flowed away from these places long enough for the corals and crinoids (neither of which moves) could recolonize the place in between leaving convenient piles of debris?

(12) Vast amounts of animals and fish were buried by water laid material before they had time to rot. (In case you don't know it, animals that died and rotted do not become fossils) Fossil fish show by the prints of their bodies in the rocks that they were fleeing for their lives when they were suddenly covered over with mud that became rock. Soft plants and worms were covered so rapidly that you can see the fossil prints in the rocks. Yes, the fossils tell us that there was a great flood that swept the earth.
NO LOCAL FLOOD COULD ACCOMPLISH THAT!

No, but like many lakes today low oxygen water slows prevents decay. Also rapid water movement destroys find details like tracks, not preserves them.

(13) Fossil whales have been uncovered in Michigan.
Fossil sharks have been found in the rocks of Ohio.

So what? These can also be evidence of gradual intrusions and retreats of the oceans as the tectonic plates move. Which is why you find lots of non-sedimentary rocks between layers of sedimentary rock.

So about those Ashfall fossil beds...

wa:do

 

[outhouse]

I posted this material on a different forum before and kept a copy on a word processor. I pasted it from there and forgot to include the sources. My bad!
The names of the publications are mentioned in the material.
"The Flood" by A.M. Rehnwinkle.
The book:"Earth's Most Challenging Mysteries" where much of this material comes from, was written by Reginald Daly. He was instructor in physics at the Missouri School of Mines. He also taught mathematics and physics at such colleges and universities as Bradley University, Western Illinois University, University of Grand Rapids, Ely Junior College, Mankato State College, Washington State University and Chico State College.
Book Briefs

This material is summarized in the publication:
Awake! 75 6/8 pp. 6-8 "A Worldwide Flood—What Does It Mean to You?"
This is where I got it from.

Are you serious dude? are your really serious??

your going to bring in a almost 40 year old book written by creationist and challenge modern science with ancient religious biased assumptions not worthy to scare 1rst graders with.

please give me a break and start working with something of substance

this is the big time, your bringing a rolled up newspaper to a fight with a mini gun. :slap:

 

[wilsoncole]

Are you serious dude? are your really serious??

your going to bring in a almost 40 year old book written by creationist and challenge modern science with ancient religious biased assumptions not worthy to scare 1rst graders with.

please give me a break and start working with something of substance

this is the big time, your bringing a rolled up newspaper to a fight with a mini gun.

You should stop reading "Origin of the Species," if you ever did.
That's a whole lot older.
And why do you always have your teeth bared? Who are you fighting with? Maybe it is because you have no inner peace.

I might have to refer to you as FANG from now on.

 

[outhouse]

You should stop reading "Origin of the Species," if you ever did.
That's a whole lot older.
And why do you always have your teeth bared? Who are you fighting with? Maybe it is because you have no inner peace.

I might have to refer to you as FANG from now on.

I read many science books and my brother in law is a biology proffessor and author, i have never read much from the site you speak of. Biology is his buisiness not mine but I have enough knowledge to know reality and imagination in a 3000 year old piece of fiction over that of modern science.

the only reason you have your views is your blatant lack of biblical education as well as your lack of education in science

 

[outhouse]

wilson, you cannot have a peacfull debate with me. It is you who deserves the name fang.

you lie to us, you lie to your friends and whats really sad is that you lie to yourself.

 

[wilsoncole]

Do you have a reading comprehension problem? Uh, yeah. Does it have anything to do with evolution and the fossil record?
How about those fossils?! And evolution. It's fascinating how the fossil record supports the Theory of Evolution, isn't it?
At last, a question about evolution! What abilities? The ability to enjoy life?

You mean the question was not clear enough for you?

Before I answer that, may I ask you, do you have any idea what the Theory of Evolution says? Because if you don't, I don't think you're going to be able to understand the answer.

You have a really fancy way to duck the hard questions.
Do you want me to type out what the theory of Evolution says? Problem with that is - it is not uniform. Even prominent advocates often disagree with each other. "Punctuated Equilibrium" for an example. Richard Dawkins says life suddenly sprang up from nowhere - others say they're still working on it.

Every devotee gets a different view of the subject, just like organized religion. And every time they get in a squeeze they come out with: "That's not what the ToE says!"
Like that most confusing document, the US Constitution, NOBODY seems to know what the ToE means. The one common thread that I have found is that it binds together all opposers of God.

I promise you this: The ToE will collapse with the biggest thud you ever heard.
Financial troubles will lead the way. Just wait.

 

[wilsoncole]

wilson, you cannot have a peacfull debate with me. It is you who deserves the name fang.
you lie to us, you lie to your friends and whats really sad is that you lie to yourself.

You're right - no debate! Your screaming and spitting does not promote it.
Lies:
EVERYTHING you said about the Bible is a lie!
You said someone in the Bible claimed to have 900 wives? LIE!
You said that not 1000 people lived in that territory at that time - LIE!
You said that “genesis was told around campfires for 300-500 years before it was written down.” - LIE!
You said “many books were compiled to get the verses we have now with 5 different authors.” - LIE!
If these are not lies, then prove them! I don’t think you can do that.
And if you can't prove them, who's the liar?

If you keep pushing I will flood you with facts about the Bible that will boggle your mind.

I am still waiting for your response to my post about the archealogical findings on David and Solomon.

 

[outhouse]

If you keep pushing I will flood you with facts about the Bible that will boggle your mind.

you cannot even proved the truth regarding evolution to even begin to debate the bible with me.

the flood was a lie that never happened as many of the bibles other lies you base creation from.

if your this lost with science your take on the bible has got to be a fun ride to debate lol

carry on

 

[outhouse]

Solomon - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Solomon had seven hundred wives and three hundred concubines.

at the time of the Davidic and Solomonic kingdoms, Jerusalem may have been unpopulated, or at most populated by only a few hundred residents


shall I go on, please get a educatuion, your embarrassing yourself

authors of genesis

Writers of the Book of Genesis

[FONT=trebuchet ms,arial,helvetica]J: a writer who used Yahweh/Jehovah as the divine name.[/FONT]

[FONT=trebuchet ms,arial,helvetica]E: a writer who used Elohim as the divine name. *[/FONT]

[FONT=trebuchet ms,arial,helvetica]P: a writer who added material of major interest to the priesthood.[/FONT]

[FONT=trebuchet ms,arial,helvetica]D: the author of the book of Deuteronomy. *[/FONT]

[FONT=trebuchet ms,arial,helvetica]R: a redactor who welded the contributions of J, E and P together into the present Pentateuch.[/FONT]

The authors of Genesis seem have picked up part of their story from Hindu legends of the creation and early history of humanity. Stories of Hindu heros Adimo, Heva, Sherma,, Hama and Jiapheta apparently were replicated into legends about Adam, Eve, Shem Ham, and Japeth.


Genesis creation narrative - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Traditionally attributed to Moses, today most scholars accept that the Pentateuch is "a composite work, the product of many hands and periods.”[25] Genesis 1 and 2 are seen as the products of two separate authors, or schools: Genesis 1 is by an author, or school of authors, called the P (for Priestly), while Genesis 2 is by a different author or group of authors called J (for Jahwist — sometimes called non-P). There are several competing theories as to when and how these two chapters originated — some scholars believe they each come from two originally complete but separate narratives spanning the entire biblical story from creation to the death of Moses, while others believe that P is not a complete narrative but rather a series of edits of the J material, which itself was not a single document so much as a collection of material. In either case, it is generally agreed that the J account (Genesis 2) is older than P (Genesis 1), that both were written during the 1st millennium BC, and that they reached the combined form in which we know them today about 450 BC.

man started writing around 1000bc in that area an the story of moses goes back 300-500 years previous. It was thought that moses exodus was around 1300BC but there is no evidence by anyone or anything at that time. Egyptions wrote many things down and there is no record like that at that time period. You go back to 1475BC ish you starts finding clues about a exodus.

And if you can't prove them, who's the liar?

obviously you are

you LIE about evolution which is fact and has been observed

cant wait to hear you lame exuses for the above LOL

 

[RedOne77]

Do you want me to type out what the theory of Evolution says? Problem with that is - it is not uniform. Even prominent advocates often disagree with each other. "Punctuated Equilibrium" for an example. Richard Dawkins says life suddenly sprang up from nowhere - others say they're still working on it.

There is no disagreement about the basics as far as the discussion is concerned. PE, for example, if true is a minor part regarding the overall theory. I wouldn't expect PE to come up in a discussion about the basics of evolution, which is what I think Auto wants.

Like that most confusing document, the US Constitution, NOBODY seems to know what the ToE means. The one common thread that I have found is that it binds together all opposers of God.

Funny, over 12,000 Christian clergy disagree with you, including a few Popes! Even about half of the scientists that accept evolution believe in a God that answers prayers.

 

[wilsoncole]

from here.
[btw, that demonstrates for you the proper way to cite the work of others.]

All you needed to do was to tell the truth, apologize, and move on. Instead you chose to lie, so I will now report you to the mods.

Huge chunks of your post were stolen from Origin of the Cosmos Ch. 11, by that well known loon and non-geologist, the late Charles Germaine Lockwood.

Lie? Not me.
It might be a legal tactic, but I don't use it.
Check here:
Using the Bible to prove the Bible (disciple, Buddha, churches) - Religion and Philosophy -Christianity, Judaism, Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, Atheism, God, Universe, Science, Spirituality, Faith, Evidence - Page 22 - City-Data Forum
And when you check here:
Do Christians really believe in Noah's Ark? - Yahoo! Answers
take a look at the credit. You will observe:
Source(s)

g75 6?8 p.8

The "g" represents "Awake!" June 8th issue, page 8
I have a copy of the cover, but I have yet to learn how to send it.

 

[wilsoncole]

Solomon - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Solomon had seven hundred wives and three hundred concubines.

You did not say WHO had 900 wives, but your own source says he didn't.
Your figures were wrong. Will you admit it? (This should be interesting)
When the word "wife" is used in the Bible, it ALWAYS refers to a woman who is married - not a concubine. Where's the lie in the Bible?

at the time of the Davidic and Solomonic kingdoms, Jerusalem may have been unpopulated, or at most populated by only a few hundred residents

LIE! The Davidic Kingdom lasted from 1077 B.C.E. to 607 B.C.E.
That's 470 years BEFORE Jerusalem's desolation. Jerusalem was depopulated in 607 B.C.E. when the Babylonians conquered the city. But, of course, you said "May have been," so you don't know and your source doesn't know.

shall I go on, please get a educatuion, your embarrassing yourself

Read that sentence again - please. You clearly reveal your level of education. I don't know what "educatuion" is. Aren't you embarrassed enough?

Continue: we'll see who gets embarrassed - AGAIN.

I will deal with the rest in subsequent replies.

 

[LuisDantas]

You are mistaken. There isn't any significant doubt about the ToE in general. There are of course lots of doubts on specifics, but that is a long, long way far from a "controversy" about the ToE itself.

About Francis Hitching, please check this.

Francis Hitching: Commonly Quoted by Creationists

Could you please spell out your references and sources so that we may check them? In the meantime you will find some interesting comment about the use and misuse of Eldredge's comments here.

Quote Mine Project: "Lack of Identifiable Phylogeny"

And this might also be of interest:

http://skepticwiki.org/index.php/Punctuated_Equilibrium

 

[David M]

Those people are not Christians at all and I think you know it.
Clergy:
They are the ones who teach that God burns people in hell forever.
They condone and even promote war.
They get involved in politics.
The strive to have laws changed to accomodate religion.
They try to get creation taught in the schools.
They bless guns and troops.
They pray - for a price.
They fleece their flocks.
They condone sexual immorality.
They tolerate even the most extreme aberrant behavior.
They pray for God's blessings to kill even members of their own religion.
They have no Christian love for one another.
Shall I continue?
Why wouldn't they disagree with me?

And yet many of them do no such thing. You do realise that the right-wing fundie evangelical movement in the US is not representative of all christian clergy.

 

[jarofthoughts]

Materialism is nature?

In one sense of the word, yes.

It is evident that humans cannot endow themselves with certain abilities.

Is it?

So love, hate, envy, empathy, abstract thinking, insight, wisdom, altruism, hope, peace, imagination, desire, etc, etc, etc are all unnatural?

Nope.

Which of your 5 senses can perceive all of these qualities?

Depending on the situation, all of them.

Which of our animal "ancestors" possessed these qualities?

All the more recent ones. Also, many of the qualities you mentioned are shared by most social mammals.

If they didn't have them, we couldn't inherit them - right?

True, but then again, since they did, we could.

How did humans get the ability to ENJOY life?

That is a subject worthy of a book, but to make it short we are rewarded with dopamine and endorphines whenever we perform an action or parttake in a situation that is "beneficial" in some shape or form.

How does evolution explain the acquisition of those abilities?

Quite easily actually.

But that is not what this tread is about. :no:

 

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The descendants of Abraham can and has been traced by linguistics and their genealogy.

Evidence?