Your link seems to agree with me:
1. "The
Big Bang was the
event which led to the formation of the
universe, according to the prevailing
cosmological theory of the universe's early development (known as the
Big Bang theory or
Big Bang model)."
Your sentence (above) comes under the subheading:
"Speculative physics beyond Big Bang theory" and is, therefore, not a statement of fact. I see it as a desperate grab at a straw.
Whaa....? YES! There's something, there's always something we do not know! Are you saying that all the information is already out there and tested?
No. I'm saying that we cannot rely on what we do not know. As it is, the theory is heavily fortified by continuous monitoring, all confirming the original premise.
2. "While
the Big Bang model is well established in cosmology, it is likely to be refined in the future."
In this case we have no clue what happened about pre-big bang or even if there was a pre-big bang.
We're not even asking what happened then. That is not the focus of our concern. The proposal was:
Think of a time before the Big Bang. If there was nothing then, there would be nothing now because nothing comes from nothing.
What happens when you have uncontrolled matter and energy? You get a meltdown.
The Big Bang was not uncontrolled nor chaotic.
Some tremendous but manageable energy produced and controlled the Big Bang, so that the Cosmos is orderly as we see it today.
Incidentally, the Bible confirms God's possession of tremendous energy:
Raise YOUR eyes high up and see. Who has created these things? It is the One who is bringing forth the army of them even by number, all of whom he calls even by name. Due to the
abundance of dynamic energy, he also being vigorous in power, not one [of them] is missing. (Isaiah 40:26)
Originally Posted by wilsoncole
Then maybe you can show me something material that has no cause, just to illustrate your point. Can you?
Quite probably, the Universe, that is matter/energy. But I'm not only saying it doesn't have a cause, i'm saying it doesn't have a beginning.
But the Cosmos had a beginning. Your own source confirms it. Anything that has a beginning has a cause.
Life itself is a fact. Matter/energy cannot generate life. Life on earth had a beginning, therefore it has a cause. To argue against that is to hit a stone wall with your cabeza.
Originally Posted by wilsoncole
Ah, yes! It exploded and expanded, all without mind nor purpose and ended up making a lot of sense to a rational mind.
Let's have your explanation. Please let us know how order can emerge from chaos
unassisted.
Originally Posted by wilsoncole
But....Nothing comes from nothing - right?
You keep saying this as if it has any bearing in this conversation. It doesn't.
You wish it didn't - but it does.
Originally Posted by wilsoncole
Think of this:
Gases and even rocks have chemical compositions. Elements have atomic numbers. Those are evidences of intelligence.
Observe carefully:
"There is amazing variety among the elements of our earth; some of them are rare; others are abundant. Elements such as gold may attract the human eye. Others are gases that we do not even see, such as nitrogen and oxygen. Each element is made of a certain kind of atom. How the atoms are constructed and relate to one another bespeaks economy and awesome organization in chartlike order.
About 300 years ago, only 12 elements were knownantimony, arsenic, bismuth, carbon, copper, gold, iron, lead, mercury, silver, sulfur, and tin. As more were discovered, scientists noticed that the elements reflected a distinct order. Because there were gaps in the order, scientists such as Mendeleyev, Ramsay, Moseley, and Bohr theorized the existence of unknown elements and their characteristics. Those elements were subsequently discovered just as predicted. Why could those scientists predict that there were forms of matter that were unknown at the time?
Well, the elements follow a natural numerical order based on the structure of their atoms. This is a proven law. Thus, school textbooks can set out a periodic table of elements in rows and columnshydrogen, helium, and so on.
The
McGraw-Hill Encyclopedia of Science & Technology observes:
Few systemizations in the history of science can rival the periodic concept as a broad revelation of the order of the physical world. . . . Whatever new elements may be discovered in the future, it is certain they will find a place in the periodic system, conforming to its order and exhibiting the proper familial characteristics.
When the elements are arranged in the rows and columns of the periodic table, a remarkable relationship is seen between elements that share a column. For example, in the last column are located helium (No. 2), neon (No. 10), argon (No. 18), krypton (No. 36), xenon (No. 54), and radon (No. 86). These are gases that glow brightly when an electric discharge passes through them, and they are used in some light bulbs. Also, they do not react easily with various elements, as do some other gases.
A close study of the elements and how they fit together to form everything in the universe caused famous physicist P.A.M. Dirac, who was a professor of mathematics at Cambridge University, to say:
One could perhaps describe the situation by saying that God is a mathematician of a very high order, and
He used very advanced mathematics in constructing the universe. (Creation p. 26)
If a single atom was added to the element gold, it would no longer gold. Who did the calculating to exclude that extra atom?
Originally Posted by wilsoncole
Where did all that senseless matter and energy originate?
It doesn't have to have an origin. there doesn't need to be a source/creator/or an origin.
Do you really think it is up to you to decide that? I asked you before - I'm asking you again:
"Show me anything material that has no cause, origin, source or creator."
Okay, then, could you put it in one sentence the core of the problem?
Nothing comes from nothing. The material creation is evidence of God.
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Wilson
So, instead of showing me, you ask a silly question. 
